Some Muslims Say US More Islamic Than Many Muslim Countries

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A young woman waves an American flag along with others at the beginning of a Muslim conference against terror and hate at the Curtis Culwell Center, Jan. 17, 2015, in Garland, Texas.
Bernard Shusman
January 13, 2016 2:48 PM
NEW YORK—
In early December, 2015, Muslims and their beliefs become the hottest, most incendiary topic in the U.S. presidential election campaign.
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering the United States,” announced Republican candidate and frontrunner Trump, making his position and thinking about Muslims very clear.
Trump went on to talk briefly about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, asserting that Muslims want jihad against the United States. "We have no choice, we have no choice,” he ruminated.
His position set off a tidal wave in the Republican party, splitting the its position on Muslims and Muslim-Americans. It also raised the hackles of Democrats.
A month later, President Barack Obama was still speaking out against it. "When politicians insult Muslims... that doesn’t make us safer," Obama said in his State of the Union Speech Tuesday. "It’s just wrong."
But in the eye of the controversy, what do Muslims think?
FILE - An American flag and the Indiana state flag fly in front of the Islamic Center of Evansville in Newburgh, Indiana, Nov. 30, 2015.
Islamic law vs. democratic principles
Muslims say they feel at home in the U.S. and one of the reasons is that democracy is not unfamiliar. Leading Muslim cleric Feisal Abdul Rauf says Islamic law is based on democratic principles.
“The Declaration of Independence is very much in line with the objectives of Islamic law," he told VOA. "Our rulers are legitimized by those who rule them by way of elections. These are all procedures which are very much in sync with Islamic law."
Feisal is founder of the Cordoba Initiative, a non-profit organization dedicated to improving Muslim-West relations and promoting moderation. In his new book, Defining Islamic Statehood, he talks about contemporary Muslim life in America.
“Many Muslims feel the United States of America, for them, living in this country is far more Islamic than many countries they come from, and I certainly share that opinion myself.” The Imam was born and raised in the United States.
His book is a six-year study involving Muslim scholars and leaders from around the world. The consensus reached: there were six major objectives in Islam: protection of life, dignity, property, family, intellect and religion - all compatible with the American way of life.
Students at the Muslim American Youth Academy in Dearborn, Michigan follow the standard state curriculum. They also learn about Islam and take Arabic as a foreign language.
Sending Muslims home? 'Not doable'
In New Jersey, young Muslim leader Mahmoud Mahmoud is a local community worker. He believes strongly in ties between Muslims and non-Muslims in America, and he agrees with Feisal. “In America there’s a more Islamic way of life than there [is] in Muslim countries."
Mahmoud defines that way of life by what it isn't. "You see nepotism is everywhere in Islamic countries,” he says. “Corruption, the mistreatment of women, the lack of rights for the poor, social justice; poverty is everywhere. So if you take a look at how these issues are in America, people here are able to express themselves freely.”
To the extent that America strives to eliminate corruption and other problems is to Mahmoud very religious. “Those are all fundamental values that are enshrined in every religion. If you take a look that caring for thy neighbor or caring for the poor, so there are lots of things I agree with in saying that.”
Imam Feisal says the United States and the Muslim world are inseparable. “Look,” he said, “the United States has enormous interest in the Muslim world. Muslims constitute almost a quarter of the world’s population. "We have our (U.S.) military in Iraq, in Afghanistan. We have our bases is Turkey. Our engagement, our footprint in the Muslim world, you cannot separate it. You have economic interests."
Hence, Feisal says, Donald J. Trump's call is a non starter:
"To say you cannot allow Muslims here, if you try to do it, you will discover how intimate the relationship America has with the Muslim world is. It’s not doable.”
 
In Turkey, a 90% muslim country, woman with veil would not be allowed to take government positions, for a looong time, up until a US backed islamist party took control.

In that sense, US is much more "islamic", I would agree...
 
All we need is a little bit of tweaking and we would be a great state for the caliphate.

None of their crap is true. It's a way of making Islam not so bad.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
No they don't. That's why muslims are killing Christians. Muslims are saying this so American Christians might be persuaded to convert. Notice this isn't something peddled to the Yazidi.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
No they don't. That's why muslims are killing Christians. Muslims are saying this so American Christians might be persuaded to convert. Notice this isn't something peddled to the Yazidi.

Omg you have no idea how crazy you sound
 
www.voanews.com/content/muslims-on-american-way-of-life/3144435.html
A young woman waves an American flag along with others at the beginning of a Muslim conference against terror and hate at the Curtis Culwell Center, Jan. 17, 2015, in Garland, Texas.
Bernard Shusman
January 13, 2016 2:48 PM
NEW YORK—
In early December, 2015, Muslims and their beliefs become the hottest, most incendiary topic in the U.S. presidential election campaign.
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of all Muslims entering the United States,” announced Republican candidate and frontrunner Trump, making his position and thinking about Muslims very clear.
Trump went on to talk briefly about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, asserting that Muslims want jihad against the United States. "We have no choice, we have no choice,” he ruminated.
His position set off a tidal wave in the Republican party, splitting the its position on Muslims and Muslim-Americans. It also raised the hackles of Democrats.
A month later, President Barack Obama was still speaking out against it. "When politicians insult Muslims... that doesn’t make us safer," Obama said in his State of the Union Speech Tuesday. "It’s just wrong."
But in the eye of the controversy, what do Muslims think?
FILE - An American flag and the Indiana state flag fly in front of the Islamic Center of Evansville in Newburgh, Indiana, Nov. 30, 2015.
Islamic law vs. democratic principles
Muslims say they feel at home in the U.S. and one of the reasons is that democracy is not unfamiliar. Leading Muslim cleric Feisal Abdul Rauf says Islamic law is based on democratic principles.
“The Declaration of Independence is very much in line with the objectives of Islamic law," he told VOA. "Our rulers are legitimized by those who rule them by way of elections. These are all procedures which are very much in sync with Islamic law."
Feisal is founder of the Cordoba Initiative, a non-profit organization dedicated to improving Muslim-West relations and promoting moderation. In his new book, Defining Islamic Statehood, he talks about contemporary Muslim life in America.
“Many Muslims feel the United States of America, for them, living in this country is far more Islamic than many countries they come from, and I certainly share that opinion myself.” The Imam was born and raised in the United States.
His book is a six-year study involving Muslim scholars and leaders from around the world. The consensus reached: there were six major objectives in Islam: protection of life, dignity, property, family, intellect and religion - all compatible with the American way of life.
Students at the Muslim American Youth Academy in Dearborn, Michigan follow the standard state curriculum. They also learn about Islam and take Arabic as a foreign language.
Sending Muslims home? 'Not doable'
In New Jersey, young Muslim leader Mahmoud Mahmoud is a local community worker. He believes strongly in ties between Muslims and non-Muslims in America, and he agrees with Feisal. “In America there’s a more Islamic way of life than there [is] in Muslim countries."
Mahmoud defines that way of life by what it isn't. "You see nepotism is everywhere in Islamic countries,” he says. “Corruption, the mistreatment of women, the lack of rights for the poor, social justice; poverty is everywhere. So if you take a look at how these issues are in America, people here are able to express themselves freely.”
To the extent that America strives to eliminate corruption and other problems is to Mahmoud very religious. “Those are all fundamental values that are enshrined in every religion. If you take a look that caring for thy neighbor or caring for the poor, so there are lots of things I agree with in saying that.”
Imam Feisal says the United States and the Muslim world are inseparable. “Look,” he said, “the United States has enormous interest in the Muslim world. Muslims constitute almost a quarter of the world’s population. "We have our (U.S.) military in Iraq, in Afghanistan. We have our bases is Turkey. Our engagement, our footprint in the Muslim world, you cannot separate it. You have economic interests."
Hence, Feisal says, Donald J. Trump's call is a non starter:
"To say you cannot allow Muslims here, if you try to do it, you will discover how intimate the relationship America has with the Muslim world is. It’s not doable.”
ironic

however, outside of politics, we are nothing like muslims.

not even close
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
Any 'shared beliefs' are, if you can be bothered to look deeper, are so twisted and distorted they have very little in common. Isa is not Jesus, for example, Isa did not die on the cross, but is waiting with Allah (the pagan moon God) to return to Earth to destroy churches, synagogues and temples, and to kill Christians, Jews and everyone else who refuses to convert to Islam. You clearly need to do some studying.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
No they don't. That's why muslims are killing Christians. Muslims are saying this so American Christians might be persuaded to convert. Notice this isn't something peddled to the Yazidi.

Omg you have no idea how crazy you sound
Omg you have no idea how stupid and dangerously ignorant you sound.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.
No they don't. That's why muslims are killing Christians. Muslims are saying this so American Christians might be persuaded to convert. Notice this isn't something peddled to the Yazidi.

Omg you have no idea how crazy you sound
The knee jerk liberal response.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.


Ohhh look, a leftist liar creating moral equivalence where there is none.

Say Comrade, when was the last time these evangelical Christians you so hate cut off an infidels head in the name of their god? (can you say never?) When was they last time they threw a homosexual off a building with applause from the majority?
(can you say never?)

Oh wait, you're just a liar of Allah, a democrat on Jihad.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.


Ohhh look, a leftist liar creating moral equivalence where there is none.

Say Comrade, when was the last time these evangelical Christians you so hate cut off an infidels head in the name of their god? (can you say never?) When was they last time they threw a homosexual off a building with applause from the majority?
(can you say never?)

Oh wait, you're just a liar of Allah, a democrat on Jihad.
We created laws against hangings, burnings, beheadings, etc. I shudder to think what this country would look like with evangelicals at the helm and no separation of Church and state for 50 years. We'd be just like Iran.
 
All we need is a little bit of tweaking and we would be a great state for the caliphate.

None of their crap is true. It's a way of making Islam not so bad.
are you now going to tell us you know lots of Muslims personally to say thats why you know this?....
 
We created laws against hangings, burnings, beheadings, etc.

The Christians whom you hate did. The Muslims who you serve did not.

I shudder to think what this country would look like with evangelicals at the helm and no separation of Church and state for 50 years. We'd be just like Iran.

But you dream of a Jihadist at the helm..

Look, I know the alliance between you democratic - socialists and radical Islam is just based on your common enemy, America. But your hypocrisy reeks as you promote those who openly kill homosexuals (your Jihadist allies) while demanding Christians be thrown in prison for not baking a cake.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.


Ohhh look, a leftist liar creating moral equivalence where there is none.

Say Comrade, when was the last time these evangelical Christians you so hate cut off an infidels head in the name of their god? (can you say never?) When was they last time they threw a homosexual off a building with applause from the majority?
(can you say never?)

Oh wait, you're just a liar of Allah, a democrat on Jihad.
We created laws against hangings, burnings, beheadings, etc. I shudder to think what this country would look like with evangelicals at the helm and no separation of Church and state for 50 years. We'd be just like Iran.
We already do. It's called Salt Lake City, Utah, and Burley, Idaho.
 
We created laws against hangings, burnings, beheadings, etc.

The Christians whom you hate did. The Muslims who you serve did not.

I shudder to think what this country would look like with evangelicals at the helm and no separation of Church and state for 50 years. We'd be just like Iran.

But you dream of a Jihadist at the helm..

Look, I know the alliance between you democratic - socialists and radical Islam is just based on your common enemy, America. But your hypocrisy reeks as you promote those who openly kill homosexuals (your Jihadist allies) while demanding Christians be thrown in prison for not baking a cake.
I don't hate Christians. I do tire of evangelicals warping Christianity into hatred. Same with extremist Muslims.

I have no problem with moderate Christians or moderate Muslims.
 
Well we have the largest evangelical Christian population in the world. And they share a majority of Islam's beliefs.

It's sad, but a huge portion of this country is perfectly compatible with Islam.


Ohhh look, a leftist liar creating moral equivalence where there is none.

Say Comrade, when was the last time these evangelical Christians you so hate cut off an infidels head in the name of their god? (can you say never?) When was they last time they threw a homosexual off a building with applause from the majority?
(can you say never?)

Oh wait, you're just a liar of Allah, a democrat on Jihad.
We created laws against hangings, burnings, beheadings, etc. I shudder to think what this country would look like with evangelicals at the helm and no separation of Church and state for 50 years. We'd be just like Iran.
We already do. It's called Salt Lake City, Utah, and Burley, Idaho.
Uh... no
 

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