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Many Israelites did indeed workshop idols but the non-Israelite nations were so corrupt God didn’t pay any mind to them.Very few in the OT "got" the Holy Spirit. Very few knew God. Israel was an idolatrous nation, after all, except for a remnant. The remnant were always God's favored people.
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Romans 9:6-8)
And sometimes it did seem temporary. David, for example, a murderer and adulterer, wasn't exactly consistently righteous. Or maybe he was as righteous as any fallen man could be before Christ, before the Holy Spirit.
In what way were foreigners corrupt?Many Israelites did indeed workshop idols but the non-Israelite nations were so corrupt God didn’t pay any mind to them.
You think because Jews assimilate they’re dealing drugs, burning down cities or hanging out at bars?
Sacrificing children to their idols, sacking other nations for gold and sex slaves, adultery, incest, cheating in business, having sex with animals, etc…In what way were foreigners corrupt?
No Moses did not see God. He saw a burning bush.What do you mean no one seen God, Moses seen God and all that Jesus is, is God in the flesh
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John 14:9, NIV: "Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father"
Moses spoke to God face to face as though thru a clean pane of glass.No Moses did not see God. He saw a burning bush.
Yes they saw the Fathers will in Jesus and the Father was doing it all through Jesus, Every teaching he brought was the Fathers. that is how they could see the Father.
So, they did things that would have violated temple law.Sacrificing children to their idols, sacking other nations for gold and sex slaves, adultery, incest, cheating in business, having sex with animals, etc…
I’ll have to look up the verse where Moses is telling the Children of Israel not to copy the bad behavior of the 32 kingdoms in the Land of Canaan.
God is very severe with people who observe open miracles.So, they did things that would have violated temple law.
What did they do to violate their own laws and customs? How were they corrupt?
Did foreigners have to sacrifice lambs? Maybe so, if their own customs dictated it. Why would they have to have done it because temple law dictated it? They weren't subject to temple law. God didn’t pay any mind to them, as you say.God is very severe with people who observe open miracles.
Insulting someone is considered murder.
Cheating on a contract is considered stealing.
Offering a cheaper lamb than one can easily afford is an insult to God.
You would have to study the midrash and Talmud to understand what God expects from Jews in regards to our behavior towards God and each other.
No Moses did not see God. He saw a burning bush.
Yes they saw the Fathers will in Jesus and the Father was doing it all through Jesus, Every teaching he brought was the Fathers. that is how they could see the Father.
| Exodus 33:11 ► |
| Context Crossref Comm Hebrew Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. New Living Translation Inside the Tent of Meeting, the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Afterward Moses would return to the camp, but the young man who assisted him, Joshua son of Nun, would remain behind in the Tent of Meeting. English Standard Version Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent. Berean Study Bible Thus the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young assistant Joshua son of Nun would not leave the tent |
A non-Jew was more than welcome to offer a sacrifice.Did foreigners have to sacrifice lambs? Maybe so, if their own customs dictated it. Why would they have to have done it because temple law dictated it? They weren't subject to temple law. God didn’t pay any mind to them, as you say.
We'd have to know the midrash and Talmud to understand what God expects from Jews. Yea, maybe so. From Jews, not foreigners.
You make the same assumptions that most Christians make.
The midrash is very easy reading as it takes great pains to explain one’s obligations.Did foreigners have to sacrifice lambs? Maybe so, if their own customs dictated it. Why would they have to have done it because temple law dictated it? They weren't subject to temple law. God didn’t pay any mind to them, as you say.
We'd have to know the midrash and Talmud to understand what God expects from Jews. Yea, maybe so. From Jews, not foreigners.
You make the same assumptions that most Christians make.
Groovy. It doesn't mean he was corrupt, though, does it?A non-Jew was more than welcome to offer a sacrifice.
You have really got to catch up with your Torah.Groovy. It doesn't mean he was corrupt, though, does it?
Israel (Adam) was the one who died (or was condemned) in the Garden. Not Nod or anyone else. Israel was the one seeking salvation after forsaking his creator. Not Egypt or anyone else.
In Christian mythos, that salvation came when Christ sent the Holy Spirit to Israel (who then later availed himself to others).
Why? I'm not of the house of Israel. I don't need Torah any more than I need temple.You have really got to catch up with your Torah.
I would suggest you look at the English translation from JPS. It is translated to be as close to the Hebrew meaning as possible.Hebrew is fricking hard, I checked out a few you tube videos all symbols and the translations no one can seem to agree.
I would like to learn Hebrew though I am sick of reading all the translations in english
Moses spoke to God face to face as though thru a clean pane of glass.
We have no idea what that means.
The bible doesnt lie--No man has ever seen God- John 1:18-- It obviously meant something else in the OT. through the holy spirit is more like it.
Exodus 33:11 ►
Context Crossref Comm Hebrew
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
New Living Translation
Inside the Tent of Meeting, the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Afterward Moses would return to the camp, but the young man who assisted him, Joshua son of Nun, would remain behind in the Tent of Meeting.
English Standard Version
Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
Berean Study Bible
Thus the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young assistant Joshua son of Nun would not leave the tent
Seriously dude even John wrote latter God has been seen and once again was Mary blind and all the rest?The bible doesnt lie--No man has ever seen God- John 1:18-- It obviously meant something else in the OT. through the holy spirit is more like it.
You are required to follow the Noachide laws.Why? I'm not of the house of Israel. I don't need Torah any more than I need temple.
Not to say that the Old Testament doesn't provide valuable history and background to the Christian faith, but it is not Christian. Israel's priesthood was Levitical. Christ's priesthood is Melchizedekian. Completely different.
We “worship” Christmas trees?You worship Christmas trees what does that have to do with anything?
You telling me there was no Christmas tree in your church?
