Surprise! It's a Muslim!

[Coyote]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

.

Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

and I could list dozens of others.

You can also dismiss dozens of others, since many have been abrogated by later Surahs anyway.
Order of the Surahs:

Chronological Order of the Qur an - WikiIslam

Abrogation and taqiyya:

An Inquiry Into Islam What is Abrogation in Islam

What is "Abrogation" in Islam?
To abrogate means to abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.

This is a key term in studying the Quran. There are some peaceful, tolerant verses in the Quran. But the violent, intolerant ones have abrogated them. The Quran itself explains what to do with conflicting verses. If two passages conflict, it says, the one written later is better than the one written earlier. The earlier passage has been abrogated by the later one.

The bad news for non-Muslims is that almost all the peaceful passages were written earlier, and the intolerant, hateful, and violent ones were written later (read more about this).

The two key abrogation passages in the Quran are these:

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

.. and more at the site, including links for those truly interested in becoming aware of what Islam is, a political ideology, not a religion.

Wiki Islam is hardly a reputable source.

 

[Picaro]

What are you talking about? Wait, let me guess. I bet you're talking about the passages in the Koran that talk about that women should be stoned to death for being raped and whatnot, right? Were you aware that those same exact passages are in the Christian bible too?

Where in the Bible? Specifically where in the New Testament, you know, theChristian part of the Bible? Is this your interpretation of 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'? Fascinating.

It is so interesting the way you people discard the Old Testament when it is convenient. I'd say that kind of behavior is sacrilegious. You have no respect for your religion when it comes to making a point on a discussion forum. Very interesting indeed.

I find it interesting that people discard the New Testament when babbling nonsense about 'Christianity' in attempts to lie their asses off re Christian doctrine, or Jewish doctrine for that matter, and pretend there is some sort of equivalence with Islam and the Koran. Very interesting indeed.

This is just absolutely silly. No one discards the New Testament. You think you are being clever, but you aren't. How about some proof that people discard the New Testament in making points here?

Don't post silly nonsense and you won't get your ass handed to you. It's pretty simple: Don't attempt to spin topics you know squat about, like Christian theology and the Bible. I already cited directly from Jesus' sayings relevant to both the Old And New Testament. Grow up.

 

[Picaro]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

.

Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

and I could list dozens of others.

You can also dismiss dozens of others, since many have been abrogated by later Surahs anyway.
Order of the Surahs:

Chronological Order of the Qur an - WikiIslam

Abrogation and taqiyya:

An Inquiry Into Islam What is Abrogation in Islam

What is "Abrogation" in Islam?
To abrogate means to abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.

This is a key term in studying the Quran. There are some peaceful, tolerant verses in the Quran. But the violent, intolerant ones have abrogated them. The Quran itself explains what to do with conflicting verses. If two passages conflict, it says, the one written later is better than the one written earlier. The earlier passage has been abrogated by the later one.

The bad news for non-Muslims is that almost all the peaceful passages were written earlier, and the intolerant, hateful, and violent ones were written later (read more about this).

The two key abrogation passages in the Quran are these:

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

.. and more at the site, including links for those truly interested in becoming aware of what Islam is, a political ideology, not a religion.

Wiki Islam is hardly a reputable source.

So find a timeline that proves Wiki Islam's order is wrong, then. Should be easy.

 

[Esmeralda]

What are you talking about? Wait, let me guess. I bet you're talking about the passages in the Koran that talk about that women should be stoned to death for being raped and whatnot, right? Were you aware that those same exact passages are in the Christian bible too?

Where in the Bible? Specifically where in the New Testament, you know, theChristian part of the Bible? Is this your interpretation of 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'? Fascinating.

It is so interesting the way you people discard the Old Testament when it is convenient. I'd say that kind of behavior is sacrilegious. You have no respect for your religion when it comes to making a point on a discussion forum. Very interesting indeed.

I find it interesting that people discard the New Testament when babbling nonsense about 'Christianity' in attempts to lie their asses off re Christian doctrine, or Jewish doctrine for that matter, and pretend there is some sort of equivalence with Islam and the Koran. Very interesting indeed.

You are just being abusive. You didn't respond to my question at all. Show where so called Christians purposely discard New Testament theology to make a point on this forum. Regularly, Christians find it convenient to discard the Old Testament if it gets in the way of making their point, and they cling to the New Testament and say as they are Christians that's all that matters. You all better start a new religion that doesn't include the Old Testament.

I know as much about the Bible as any other average Christian. I went to Sunday school and church all during my upbringing. Are you denying me my Christianity?

The fact is that so called Christians on here, many of them, are as violent in their hearts as they believe Muslims are. Neither Christians nor Muslims who are violent in their hearts are adhering to the true tenets of their religions,

 

[Coyote]

You need to first look closely at the Quran.

.

Sura 2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Sura 3:56 -- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Sura 4:89 -- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Sura 9:29 -- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura :3-4 -- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

Sura 25:52 -- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."

Sura 9:23 -- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

and I could list dozens of others.

You can also dismiss dozens of others, since many have been abrogated by later Surahs anyway.
Order of the Surahs:

Chronological Order of the Qur an - WikiIslam

Abrogation and taqiyya:

An Inquiry Into Islam What is Abrogation in Islam

What is "Abrogation" in Islam?
To abrogate means to abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority.

This is a key term in studying the Quran. There are some peaceful, tolerant verses in the Quran. But the violent, intolerant ones have abrogated them. The Quran itself explains what to do with conflicting verses. If two passages conflict, it says, the one written later is better than the one written earlier. The earlier passage has been abrogated by the later one.

The bad news for non-Muslims is that almost all the peaceful passages were written earlier, and the intolerant, hateful, and violent ones were written later (read more about this).

The two key abrogation passages in the Quran are these:

2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path."

16:101 "When We exchange one verse for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say, 'You are making this up.' Most of them do not understand."

.. and more at the site, including links for those truly interested in becoming aware of what Islam is, a political ideology, not a religion.

Wiki Islam is hardly a reputable source.

So find a timeline that proves Wiki Islam's order is wrong, then. Should be easy.

Order of what exactly? I don't have to prove anything. I'd more likely trust an Islamic site when it comes to matters dealing with Islam. For the same reason I wouldn't go to an athiest site to learn about Christian theology.

 

[SAYIT]

Muslims say we are at war with THEM, though. Even though they provoke every single incident since 9/11, and then put on this thinly disguised veil of "innocence". Man o' man am I getting tired of Muslims playing this game.

You don't think our invasion of Iraq might have been some provocation?

Because Saddam's Iraq was such a peaceful paradise?

Iraq's era under President Saddam Hussein was notorious for its severe violations of human rights. Secret police, torture, mass murder, rape, deportations, forced disappearances, assassinations, chemical warfare, and the destruction of southern Iraq's marshes were some of the methods the country's Ba'athist government used to maintain control. The total number of deaths related to torture and murder during this period are unknown. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued regular reports of widespread imprisonment and torture.

Human rights in Saddam Hussein s Iraq - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

I recommend Kettle Corn (fiber)...HoHo's (chocolate) and Pinot Grigio.

And a cheetoh or two.

It's nutritious. Trust me

One time I went 2 weeks on just beer and salad.

True story.

Lotsa brain cells bit the dust in that 2 weeks. You would have done better just getting another lobotomy.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the liberals, and I did not speak out—
Because I was rolling on the floor laughing my ass off !

 

[MaryL]

Throw the Northern Coonass into a gator pit.

You're a RACIST!

Who is a racist? The Muslim dude, for actually acting like a hateful RACIAL/RELIGIOUS stereotype or the rest of us for passively just presuming? Wow, the burden is on US, funny how that works.

 

[Roudy]

It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...

Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.

If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.

In terms of real numbers Roudy...how many is it? Is it really so many? Is it media? Are the numbers any different than those of Christian anti-goverment survivalist types who stockpile weapons and eventually go postal?

How many what? Sept. 11 they murdered 3000. If they can kill more they would. They certainly haven't shown any mercy to those they threatened to behead, did they? Do you think these same animals will "hold back" if they get their hands on a WMD? These Islamists are lining up Kurds, Christians, and all those that stand in their way and mowing them down and then burying them in mass graves.

Also. your hypothetical is a false comparison that just doesn't exist. The Christian world has for the most part reformed. Even the Christian fringe groups you and others keep referring to aren't really doing anything, and are considered outcasts and ostracized by everybody. In fact Christianity in the whole is in decline in the West.

Islam on the other hand is clearly on a backwards trajectory to the 7th century, and it's followers are currently projecting the worst evil, violence and intolerance that humanity has seen for a long time. It is obvious that Islam and Western ideals of freedom, democracy, free speech, equality, human rights, dialogue etc. are just not compatible. It's not going to work. Can't mix oil and water.

 

[2aguy]

The fact is that so called Christians on here, many of them, are as violent in their hearts as they believe Muslims are.

Hmmm...I think I will take a Christian who is "violent in his heart," but doesn't act on it because he is a Christian...vs. a muslim who is both violent in his heart and also violent in his actions...against innocent men, women and children...

Do you sorta see the difference there...?

 

[Roudy]

Muslims say we are at war with THEM, though. Even though they provoke every single incident since 9/11, and then put on this thinly disguised veil of "innocence". Man o' man am I getting tired of Muslims playing this game.

Like I said, they've learned to use the freedoms and human rights in the West, and turn it into a weakness that is exploited, forcing those that have welcomed them and treat them as equals to tolerate the intolerants.

 

[2aguy]

You don't think our invasion of Iraq might have been some provocation?

Which came first...the bombings of our 2 embassies in Africa, the bombings of the night club in Germany, the attempt to blow up the Cole, the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center, the second actual blowing up of the World Trade Center...

And then we invaded Iraq...

You know...why don't the muslims say...say...perhaps if we stopped killing westerners they wouldn't feel the need to invade our countries to make us stop killing westerners...

 

[tuhaybey]

Where in the Bible? Specifically where in the New Testament, you know, theChristian part of the Bible? Is this your interpretation of 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'? Fascinating.

So obviously you know exactly where it is, so why are you playing stupid?

It is in exactly the same books of the bible that it is in the Koran. It is in the old testament which they both incorporate.

 

[Billo_Really]

Lotsa brain cells bit the dust in that 2 weeks. You would have done better just getting another lobotomy.

I heard a rumor that you were the worlds only living heart donor, is that true?

 

[Billo_Really]

Which came first...the bombings of our 2 embassies in Africa, the bombings of the night club in Germany, the attempt to blow up the Cole, the first attempt to blow up the World Trade Center, the second actual blowing up of the World Trade Center...

And then we invaded Iraq...

You know...why don't the muslims say...say...perhaps if we stopped killing westerners they wouldn't feel the need to invade our countries to make us stop killing westerners...

You need to change your fuckin' user name.

That's an order!

 

[SAYIT]

Lotsa brain cells bit the dust in that 2 weeks. You would have done better just getting another lobotomy.

I heard a rumor that you were the worlds only living heart donor, is that true?

You have the wrong guy ... I never had one but I understand you are the only known survivor of multiple lobotomies.
So how long did it take to learn to operate your computer?

 

[SAYIT]

It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...

Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.

If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.

In terms of real numbers Roudy...how many is it? Is it really so many? Is it media? Are the numbers any different than those of Christian anti-goverment survivalist types who stockpile weapons and eventually go postal?

How many what? Sept. 11 they murdered 3000. If they can kill more they would. They certainly haven't shown any mercy to those they threatened to behead, did they? Do you think these same animals will "hold back" if they get their hands on a WMD? These Islamists are lining up Kurds, Christians, and all those that stand in their way and mowing them down and then burying them in mass graves...

Do you really believe the "compassionate" Coyote actually cares about any of that?

 

[Roudy]

Where in the Bible? Specifically where in the New Testament, you know, theChristian part of the Bible? Is this your interpretation of 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'? Fascinating.

So obviously you know exactly where it is, so why are you playing stupid?

It is in exactly the same books of the bible that it is in the Koran. It is in the old testament which they both incorporate.

But but but Christians.....

 

[Roudy]

It isn't the religion of Islam but rather the bloodlust culture it has spawned.
When adherents to that culture exhibit no tolerance for "the other" or even others within their own culture...

Maybe the problem you guys are having understanding this issue is the same Fox-brainrot problem that we see causing you guys trouble on so many issues... Fox only shows you Muslims in the context of terrorism, and you don't have much exposure to the real world, so you just start to think Muslim=terrorist or something... In real life, of course, Muslims are no more prone to violence than anybody else. If you meet a particular Muslim person, they're just like anybody else you would meet. Terrorists are like 0.001% of Muslims just like they're 0.001% of Christians or whatever the percentage is... The problem is your lack of exposure skewing your perception.

If Islam doesn't make people prone to violence then why do we keep seeing people who converted to Islam or joined an Islamist group get infected with sudden Jihad syndrome, and go out and slaughter complete strangers who are totally innocent? There has to be something in the ideology that makes them think they are doing the right thing. Period.

In terms of real numbers Roudy...how many is it? Is it really so many? Is it media? Are the numbers any different than those of Christian anti-goverment survivalist types who stockpile weapons and eventually go postal?

How many what? Sept. 11 they murdered 3000. If they can kill more they would. They certainly haven't shown any mercy to those they threatened to behead, did they? Do you think these same animals will "hold back" if they get their hands on a WMD? These Islamists are lining up Kurds, Christians, and all those that stand in their way and mowing them down and then burying them in mass graves...

Do you really believe the "compassionate" Coyote actually cares about any of that?

I believe that unfortunately it's going to take another mass killing in the West by Islamic savages, that is going to stop these apologist arguments in their tracks. Civilized nations will then realize they will have to do what's necessary to survive and call the enemy by its name and identify it clearly in order to defeat it. There is no other way.