Tax incentives are mandates

[dblack]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

 

[the_human_being]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Hey Idiot. A tax incentive is not a mandate. A tax incentive is put in place for those who CHOOSE to reap its benefit may do so. It is not FORCED upon anyone the way the mandate is. Grow up and become informed about what you intend to post prior to posting and you will not appear to be so totally stupid.

 

[percysunshine]

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If the government taxes 100% of everything, there are no subsidies. If the government taxes 90% of everything, it is a 10% subsidy.

Such is the illogic of the Socialist class. The problem is, people do not want to live in Venezuela right now.

 

[Siete]

funny thing about RW's ... they never bitched about the cost of healthcare tripling the first decade of this century, but for the last eight years they can't do anything BUT bitch ... AAAAARRRGGHHHH, TOO EXPENSIVE, DO AWAY WITH IT !!!!!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

 

[dblack]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Hey Idiot. A tax incentive is not a mandate. A tax incentive is put in place for those who CHOOSE to reap its benefit may do so. It is not FORCED upon anyone the way the mandate is. Grow up and become informed about what you intend to post prior to posting and you will not appear to be so totally stupid.

And the evidence comes pouring in ...

 

[dblack]

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If the government taxes 100% of everything, there are no subsidies. If the government taxes 90% of everything, it is a 10% subsidy.

Such is the illogic of the Socialist class. The problem is, people do not want to live in Venezuela right now.

???

 

[dblack]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

That's what Robert's ran into with the mandate. He recognized that it's no more (or less) of a mandate than an equivalent tax 'deduction'. Yet the psychology of it works on people. If we proposed a federal "home mortgage mandate", that penalized people who don't maintain mortgage debt with higher taxes, people would be appalled. But reframe it as a tax deduction, as a reward rather for complying rather than a penalty for not, and they love it. I guess the moral of the story is that voters are essentially gullible children.

 

[Slade3200]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

 

[dblack]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

It makes sense because it prevents Congress from using the tax code as to manipulate behavior. Taxes should be about funding government, not controlling people.

This whole issue is why Roberts decided to let the individual mandate from the ACA stand. He realized there's no difference between mandates and incentives, and he feared that striking down the individual mandate would set precedent that would unwind the established practice of Congress using taxes to coerce behavior. And he simly didn't have the balls to do that - even though it would have been exactly the right thing to do.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Well, yes but the dems actually made a law requiring it citizens to buy a product, or risk jail time and/or fines.

 

[dblack]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Well, yes but the dems actually made a law requiring it citizens to buy a product, or risk jail time and/or fines.

It's no different than tax incentives. In either case, you either do as you're told, or you pay more in taxes as a result.

 

[Skull Pilot]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

 

[dblack]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

It's rather stunning that we've let this happen. Congress enacts all kinds of mandates, in the guise of 'incentives', that we'd never think of letting them get away with as direct laws. Imagine the howling if we passed an energy efficiency mandate, requiring all home owners to go solar or pay a fine. But that's exactly the policy we have, and the sales pitch works on gullible people.

 

[Slade3200]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

 

[Skull Pilot]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?

 

[yiostheoy]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Chuck Schumer still has veto power by the filibuster, and with his other 48 senators he and they will make sure ACA does not change.

So don't fret your cookies over this, Cupcake, not to worry.

The GOP does not get dictatorial powers until the People elect 60 GOP senators.

The GOP is still 9 senators short of that.

High school civics. You should have paid attention.

 

[yiostheoy]

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government

Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?

It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

I think we still have the same problem of not enough people purchasing enough products. Simply socializing costs via Congress is also expensive.

Why not solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and let capitalism do the rest?

 

[danielpalos]

Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

Well, yes but the dems actually made a law requiring it citizens to buy a product, or risk jail time and/or fines.

It's no different than tax incentives. In either case, you either do as you're told, or you pay more in taxes as a result.

no one is suggesting criminalizing, a lack of health insurance.