Tax incentives are mandates

ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD

It's rather stunning that we've let this happen. Congress enacts all kinds of mandates, in the guise of 'incentives', that we'd never think of letting them get away with as direct laws. Imagine the howling if we passed an energy efficiency mandate, requiring all home owners to go solar or pay a fine. But that's exactly the policy we have, and the sales pitch works on gullible people.
If Congress wants everyone to go solar or pay a fine that would be perfectly legal if they can agree on it.

There would probably be another Supreme Court ruling on it just like before on ACA.

Roberts and Kennedy both voted with the Communists on the court on this, allowing it. The Communists are Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsberg, and Breyer.
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
if we didn't have a drug war, we wouldn't need to collect as much in taxes.
 
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
 
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make
Thanks for your interpretation.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion on the matter is as worthless as the day is long.
 
Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
Thanks for your opinion again.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion is still worthless as the day is long.
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
if we didn't have a drug war, we wouldn't need to collect as much in taxes.
broken record

I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I'm all for ending the failed war on drugs
 
Republicans were elected to repeal ACA, most especially the 'individual mandate' requiring everyone to buy federally approved insurance or pay extra taxes. But Republicans in Congress aren't about to betray their lobbyists. They're planning to "replace" the individual mandate with tax incentives to achieve the same purpose - pushing as many people as possible into the pens of the insurance companies.

And our idiot citizenry will fall for it. They'll think that, somehow, calling it something different makes it OK.

As much as I agree with your view on Obamacare, mandates and tax incentives, I'm not sure how you make the leap in the title. I oppose them both, but I don't see how a tax incentive is a mandate. A mandate means I have to do it, a tax incentive means I have to pay for others to do it. They are both wrong, but I don't see how they are equivalent
 
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
Thanks for your opinion again.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion is still worthless as the day is long.

Yes, let's all go home and not discuss politics because we aren't on the SCOTUS or in congress and we can't change anything.

Moron
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Don't hold your breath.

The Federal tax code has been in existence since 1914 doing the same thing since 1914. That was 102 years ago.

Can you hold your breath for another 102 years ??

I do not think so.

So you are just b!tching and moaning about Weltschmertz, the Jewish word for complaining about reality.
 
If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
Thanks for your opinion again.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion is still worthless as the day is long.

Yes, let's all go home and not discuss politics because we aren't on the SCOTUS or in congress and we can't change anything.

Moron
Can you hold your breath for 102 years too ?!
 
Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make
Thanks for your interpretation.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion on the matter is as worthless as the day is long.
Maybe you need to read Section 8 clause 3

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

it says nothing about tax incentives to individuals or to businesses
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Don't hold your breath.

The Federal tax code has been in existence since 1914 doing the same thing since 1914. That was 102 years ago.

Can you hold your breath for another 102 years ??

I do not think so.

So you are just b!tching and moaning about Weltschmertz, the Jewish word for complaining about reality.

With all due respect, who gives a shit? Are you in congress? What laws can you pass? So shut the fuck up and do as you're told as you advocate the rest of us do
 
It's called the commerce clause.

It is to promote the general welfare.

Read the Constitution.

Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
Thanks for your opinion again.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion is still worthless as the day is long.

Yes, let's all go home and not discuss politics because we aren't on the SCOTUS or in congress and we can't change anything.

Moron
Can you hold your breath for 102 years too ?!

What does that have to do with what I said?
 
Taxes are the price of government.

Government is the price of justice, domestic tranquility, defense, general welfare, liberty.

Without government there would be anarchy, and in addition we would then all be speaking Chinese, Russian, Japanese, or German already, and Negroes would still be slaves.

ACA is like the title says -- affordable health care.

Without affordable health care a lot of poorer people and those between early retirement and Medicare (yet another thing the GOP fanatics do not like) would suffer and not be able to get medical care.

Q.E.D.
 
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
if we didn't have a drug war, we wouldn't need to collect as much in taxes.
broken record

I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I'm all for ending the failed war on drugs
just responding to your "broken record" with mine.

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with
 
Promoting the general welfare does not mean giving money to businesses or to people who buy cars

It's nothing more than another income redistribution scam only this time their screwing the people who need to keep more of the money they make

besides the commerce clause is to regulate commerce between the states not to reward individuals or businesses
Thanks for your opinion again.

Until you become a Supreme Court justice your opinion is still worthless as the day is long.

Yes, let's all go home and not discuss politics because we aren't on the SCOTUS or in congress and we can't change anything.

Moron
Can you hold your breath for 102 years too ?!

What does that have to do with what I said?
Moron.
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Don't hold your breath.

The Federal tax code has been in existence since 1914 doing the same thing since 1914. That was 102 years ago.

Can you hold your breath for another 102 years ??

I do not think so.

So you are just b!tching and moaning about Weltschmertz, the Jewish word for complaining about reality.

With all due respect, who gives a shit? Are you in congress? What laws can you pass? So shut the fuck up and do as you're told as you advocate the rest of us do
You should leave legislation to the Congress and law to the Supreme Court and stop whining.
 
Taxes are the price of government.

Government is the price of justice, domestic tranquility, defense, general welfare, liberty.

Without government there would be anarchy, and in addition we would then all be speaking Chinese, Russian, Japanese, or German already, and Negroes would still be slaves.

ACA is like the title says -- affordable health care.

Without affordable health care a lot of poorer people and those between early retirement and Medicare (yet another thing the GOP fanatics do not like) would suffer and not be able to get medical care.

Q.E.D.
Yes taxes are
Tax incentives for certain behaviors, which is the topic of this thread, are a different matter
 
ALL tax incentives should be done away with.
It's none of the government's business what car you drive, how yo insulate your home or whatever else they give tax credits for.

The whole idea of manipulating behavior with taxes is ham handed social engineering and that is NOT the function of government
Take the 20% R&D tax credit that businesses get for investing in new technology, which can also be applied to labor expenses for small businesses. You'd rather get rid of that and instead of those companies having an extra 20% to invest back into their business you want the fed government to get it? How does that makes sense?

Get rid of ALL tax incentives PERIOD
Why would you rather have the government get that money instead of businesses investing in innovative technologies and growth?

If the fucking government didn't collect taxes and then give money back to people then taxes could be lowered and the people would keep that money to begin with

Why do you want to pay higher taxes so the government can give tax breaks to businesses or to people who buy electric cars?
if we didn't have a drug war, we wouldn't need to collect as much in taxes.
Correct, this falls under Justice, Tranquility, and general welfare.
 

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