Vandalshandle
Gold Member
I'll try to keep this short, because there are those who do not have a long attention span.
1. Entering the USA illegally for the first time is a misdemeanor, which is equivalent to possessing an joint of marijuana in Michigan. We do not shoot people for misdemeanors.
2. A person is not even guilty of a misdemeanor, until he has been tried, and convicted.
3. To convict a person for a misdemeanor requires due process, according the Constitution on the USA.
4. The same people who scream that government can not be trusted, suddenly change their position by 180% when it comes to illegal immigrants. They want to give this same government, who is going to "take away our guns", the legal authority to shoot a person dead, without due process, for allegedly committing a misdemeanor.
5. Our present system is to apprehend them, try them, and after they are found guilty, deport them. On the second offense, assuming that there is enough room in prison (they make up the majority of prisoners, here in AZ), they are given up to 90 days. On the third offense, when found guilty, they may be given up to 10 years in the pen, more if there were any other crimes involved. The trial they get is something new, that most conservatives hate, because it was part of the Patriot Act, which infringes on people's rights. This act was the basis of "operation Streamline", in which 8 federal courts have been dedicated to EXCLUSIVELY dealing with illegal immigrant deportations, at the expense of not being able to spend those resources on dealing with drug dealing and violent offenses. Under the provisions of Operation Streamline, up to 75 alleged immigrants are shackled together, and brought to court, where they get an average of 20 minutes to meet with an attorney, who tells them to plead guilty, in which case, if it is a first offense, they are sentenced to time served, and deported. if they plead "not Guilty", they are sent back to jail to await a trial date, which averages out to be maybe another 5 weeks.
I maintain that anyone who wants to give our government the legal right to shot unarmed people on sight without a trail, has not quite thought this whole situation through very carefully
1. Entering the USA illegally for the first time is a misdemeanor, which is equivalent to possessing an joint of marijuana in Michigan. We do not shoot people for misdemeanors.
2. A person is not even guilty of a misdemeanor, until he has been tried, and convicted.
3. To convict a person for a misdemeanor requires due process, according the Constitution on the USA.
4. The same people who scream that government can not be trusted, suddenly change their position by 180% when it comes to illegal immigrants. They want to give this same government, who is going to "take away our guns", the legal authority to shoot a person dead, without due process, for allegedly committing a misdemeanor.
5. Our present system is to apprehend them, try them, and after they are found guilty, deport them. On the second offense, assuming that there is enough room in prison (they make up the majority of prisoners, here in AZ), they are given up to 90 days. On the third offense, when found guilty, they may be given up to 10 years in the pen, more if there were any other crimes involved. The trial they get is something new, that most conservatives hate, because it was part of the Patriot Act, which infringes on people's rights. This act was the basis of "operation Streamline", in which 8 federal courts have been dedicated to EXCLUSIVELY dealing with illegal immigrant deportations, at the expense of not being able to spend those resources on dealing with drug dealing and violent offenses. Under the provisions of Operation Streamline, up to 75 alleged immigrants are shackled together, and brought to court, where they get an average of 20 minutes to meet with an attorney, who tells them to plead guilty, in which case, if it is a first offense, they are sentenced to time served, and deported. if they plead "not Guilty", they are sent back to jail to await a trial date, which averages out to be maybe another 5 weeks.
I maintain that anyone who wants to give our government the legal right to shot unarmed people on sight without a trail, has not quite thought this whole situation through very carefully