Texas secession petition on White House website fast approaching 25,000-signatures!

[ScienceRocks]

I ask for a peaceful secession of the red states. Can Obama let us be?

 

[ScienceRocks]

You marxist can turn the blue states into Cuba with all I care. Let us leave.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama allow the vote within every state that gets the required number. Give us a few months to work toward a majority! When we get it let us secede.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

you can name it after yourself

the republic of fuckwit

Sounds better than The Hippie Commune of Del.

i'm an american, not a traitorous piece of slime like you.

see how that works, sonny?

I see whoever you get the hippie lettuce from is a pretty damn good botanist. It's got your brain functions failing at a rapid rate.

 

[House]

20 States circulating Secession petitions. Not a good way to start the next term.

Like a lame duck would care about the next election? lol

 

[del]

Sounds better than The Hippie Commune of Del.

i'm an american, not a traitorous piece of slime like you.

see how that works, sonny?

I see whoever you get the hippie lettuce from is a pretty damn good botanist. It's got your brain functions failing at a rapid rate.

i still wouldn't be able to catch you, einstein

 

[Avatar4321]

20 States circulating Secession petitions. Not a good way to start the next term.

Like a lame duck would care about the next election? lol

Certainly wont. they dont need to worry about reelection.

 

[auditor0007]

Okay, they have one tenth of one percent of the population of Texas so far. Only a couple more votes and this might become something we have to worry about.

 

[Unkotare]

Obama allow the vote within every state that gets the required number. Give us a few months to work toward a majority! When we get it let us secede.

Who is "us," who is "we," asshole? Why are you afraid to answer this question, pussy?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama allow the vote within every state that gets the required number. Give us a few months to work toward a majority! When we get it let us secede.

Who is "us," who is "we," asshole? Why are you afraid to answer this question, pussy?

The people that don't want to live within a socialist northern Mexico like state. That's we/us or whatever you call it.

 

[Unkotare]

Obama allow the vote within every state that gets the required number. Give us a few months to work toward a majority! When we get it let us secede.

Who is "us," who is "we," asshole? Why are you afraid to answer this question, pussy?

The people that don't want to live within a socialist northern Mexico like state. That's we/us or whatever you call it.

The US is not going to become that. All the same, YOU can take your worthless, cowardly ass out right now.

 

[bripat9643]

The union formed by the Articles of Confederation was "in perpetuity"

The Constitution made that union "more perfect"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

See?

pay up

If the Articles of Confederation were permanent, then how did the Constitution dissolve them? They obviously weren't. Furthermore, "more perfect" is just another way of saying "better." It implies nothing about permanence.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!

No score!

 

[pjnlsn]

The petition has apparently reached enough signatures for the white house to comment, but it'll amount to squat. There might be widespread discontent along party lines, and polarization among state populations, but the US has been much too long a unified country, in terms of government apparatus, and economic interconnectivity, to split again.

It won't happen. And so it's a moot point (whether should or should not), as far as I'm concerned. At the moment, anyway.

More interesting is why it won't happen, imo.

In a true democracy, which offhand Athens is a good historical example, this sort of thing would be all too easy. Or perhaps with a less centralized and established federal government, and the election of a president who is likely to outlaw a certain practice which was, pretty sure, integral to the economy of one half of the country........where the dividing line is relatively neat....a line between north and south, then it would also be (obviously) easy.

So I think it's interesting to note that because there is so much established government apparatus that isn't affected very much by elections, or representatives themselves, therefore this sort of thing will never happen again. (Or is not likely to at all).

And we're not hardly as divided as some think, regardless of the strength of the federal government compared to 150 years ago.

This is the sort of thing that fuels rhetoric, mostly.

 

[bripat9643]

Technically, it's high treason. The side that's guilty of committing it all depends on which side wins.

No it doesn't. Treason is defined in the Constitution.

And all it takes is a declaration stating that secession will be considered an act of war. If they carry through... there you have it.

Sorry, not used to having to connect all the dots for people.

Bullshit. Congress doesn't get to define the meaning of words.

 

[bripat9643]

It's owned by TEXANS you fucking idiot. The state owns nothing.

Are you this stupid in real life?

How ironic!

 

[bripat9643]

Don't you think it's a little frivolous to hope that 10% of America's taxpayers won't be contributing someday to your retirement, Votto?

It's frivolous to hope that you'll ever collect from Social Security.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama should grant our secession to any state that votes for it. Peacefully.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, everything within Texas is a potential holding of the state of Texas via the power of eminent domain.

Wrong again. The government cannot take property "without just compensation." But that's irrelevant since if Texas seceded the Constitution would no longer be in force.

 

[bripat9643]

We would have to put electrified fences patrolled by killer security dogs to keep the illegal immigrants (we will call them 'texas backs' because they would have to swim the Red and the Sabine to get out of Texas).

I guarantee you residents from New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana would be starting their own armed militias to keep the 'texas backs' on their side of the international border.

Want no illegals here.

We would give military aid to Mexico to keep the Texadumbs looking south.

So you think that after Texas seceded that it would instantly decide to do something that it has declined to do for the last 30 years?

 

[editec]

It would be interesting to allow TX to become the Libertopian experiment.


I suspect until Libertopia is actually tried somewhere in real life, until people can finally see that the idea is unworkable, that ideealistic political philsophy will continue to attract adherents.


And TX is a fairly good site for such an experiement to take place, too.


It has a lot of resources, ports to the open seas, a border with a foreign land and a history of self government, too.