The American Genocide of the Indians—Historical Facts and Real Evidence

[Rigby5]

And exactly what "slaughter" was that?

Most Indians died of disease, and never met a single "white man". Blaming Europeans for that is about as stupid as blaming the Chinese for the Black Death. You know, the disease that killed 50% of all Europeans (over 100 million people), and most had never met somebody from China.

False.

Not only did all Native Americans meet lots of "white man", but all the diseases came from the "white man" so required lots of contact in order to transmit the diseases.

And the Black Death did not come from China, but the Balkans.
But it was Italian traders who carried it all over Europe, so they do deserve the blame, just as the British who came to North America deserve the blame for the diseases they brought to North America.

 

[Rigby5]

And once again, reporting what had happened as if in a vacuum.

In 1863 a coalition of Arapaho and Cheyenne had formed and were attacking settlers all over the region. Including the Hungate Massacre. Where a settler, his wife, and two infant daughters were massacred and mutilated at their homestead. And it was a Cavalry unit that was formed to respond to that atrocity that conducted the Sand Creek Massacre.

One thing needs to be understood, the Indian tribes like so many others was a warrior culture. And their "Chiefs" were not the same thing as "kings". They were frequently ignored, especially as a great many tribes would actually have not one but two chiefs. A Peace Chief, and a War Chief. And if the War Chief decides they want to go to war, there is not a hell of a lot the Peace Chief can do about it at all.

I simply have to shake my head in despair when people try to pretend that most of these tribes were peaceful. They could be, but they could also be amazingly brutal, and were proud of their warrior traditions. No less than the Mongols, Vikings, Romans, and many other cultures. Heck, the simple fact that so many know the names of war regalia should show anybody how warlike they could be.

Wrong.
War regalia is a show to deter attackers.
They did not attack unless there was good cause, because otherwise there was nothing in it for them.
In contrast, the "Mongols, Vikings, Romans, and many other cultures" that used currency or precious metal, were in it for what they could steal.
There was nothing the natives could steal from each other since they did not use currency or precious metals.

 

[Hellbilly]

What can we do to make it right?

Make good on all the treaties that were broken. Get clean water to the Navajo and all reservations. Start actively investigating the MMIW. Search all the landfills for buried murdered children. Give all artifacts currently in museums back to the tribes. Make ICWA permanent.

 

[Rigby5]

History is filled with atrocity, war, bloodshed. Note that no one recounts the torture and atrocities the native tribes did to one another and to the white settlers.

Wrong.
The cause of war, atrocities, etc. was a series of things that started in the eastern Mediterranean area.
Desertification caused over population along riverbanks, sedentary agriculture provided a surplus that led to currency and precious metals, and that lead to a mercenary class.

None of these things were true in North American natives, so they never had any significant incentive for war, and only had a tiny % of war and genocide the Europeans brought with them.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah, let's just start there, shall we?

Tecumseh was forming a warband of over 1,000 warriors, and his group and others had been attacking settlers and settlements for months prior. And the conflict continued for years afterwards.

And come on now, "brutal massacre"? The total number of Indians killed was 36. If anybody was massacred, it was the victors as General Harrison and his forces had 62 killed.

Sheesh, I hate people that have this almost insane need to throw pity parties for themselves. And then distort history and try to make others believe it.

There was no "genocide", never happened.

Wrong.
The US was not supposed to cross the Appalachians and certainly not the Ohio Rv valley.
There were thousands of natives living in Prophetsville alone that were murdered, not to mention the million or so natives murdered in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc.

What you seem to forget is these "settlers" were criminals trying to squat on and steal land against the treaties.

 

[Rigby5]

TL;DR

Hopefully a couple of important lessons were learned.

#1.....Don't show-up to a conquest with primitive weapons.

#2.....Or with a weak immune system.

What you are suggesting is "might makes right", in which case murder, rape, theft, is perfectly ok as long as you are strong enough to get away with it.

 

[Rigby5]

LOL....the indians lost to a superior enemy,simple as that.
They'd have done the same if they were capable.
Indian history is full of wars,torture,slavery and every other manner of savagery you can think of.
No they weren't the noble indians the left tries to paint them as,they were savages plain and simple.

Wrong.
All primitive tribes are far more peaceful than mercenary cultures with currency, sedentary agriculture, etc.

Primitives follow inherent social instincts, so can't be as abusive as the learned greed behavior of capitalist, colonial, imperialists.
You can easily see the result.
Like the ancient Romans had gladiators, incest, patricide, and all sorts of dysfunctional abnormalities.

 

[1srelluc]

What you are suggesting is "might makes right", in which case murder, rape, theft, is perfectly ok as long as you are strong enough to get away with it.

Well history sorta bears that out.....Look a England, 75% of the land there is still owned by the descendants of those that raped, pillaged, and plundered no end.



Hell, just look at all the BLM lands the US .gov owns.

Some 10.5% of the nation’s land is under the purview of the BLM, which includes 248 million acres of public lands and 700 million sub-surface acres (that’s one-third of the country’s mineral resources).

 

[badbob85037]

So what you are saying is what is true through history, man butchers man.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Wrong.
The cause of war, atrocities, etc. was a series of things that started in the eastern Mediterranean area.
Desertification caused over population along riverbanks, sedentary agriculture provided a surplus that led to currency and precious metals, and that lead to a mercenary class.

None of these things were true in North American natives, so they never had any significant incentive for war, and only had a tiny % of war and genocide the Europeans brought with them.

You have never been correct about anything.

 

[Blackrook]

It certainly is all true but there is nothing we can do about it now.

 

[el midgetron]

Wrong.
All primitive tribes are far more peaceful than mercenary cultures with currency, sedentary agriculture, etc.

Primitives follow inherent social instincts, so can't be as abusive as the learned greed behavior of capitalist, colonial, imperialists.
You can easily see the result.
Like the ancient Romans had gladiators, incest, patricide, and all sorts of dysfunctional abnormalities.

FFS…. This is your brain on gender-studies.

“Peaceful” if you can rationalize tribal warfare, slavery, human sacrifice and cannibalism.

“For instance, until I went to the “American Indian” wing of the famed Washington museum I had never seen a Pacific Northwest aboriginal “slave killer” club (example left).
I had never seen a West Coast “cannibal bowl.”
I had never read a museum description of how B.C. tribes raided other tribes.
I had never seen the kinds of aboriginal shields, axes, helmets or neck protectors used in inter-tribal wars along the B.C. coast.”
Buried truths about aboriginal culture