Arab imperialists are simply afraid
other MENA nations follow Israel,
to liberation from the Arab yoke.
Arab imperialists are simply afraid
other MENA nations follow Israel,
to liberation from the Arab yoke.
i like that map!
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Arab imperialists are simply afraid
other MENA nations follow Israel,
to liberation from the Arab yoke.
Arab imperialists are simply afraid
other MENA nations follow Israel,
to liberation from the Arab yoke.
On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 181 which envisaged the division of Palestine into three parts: an Arab State, a Jewish State and the City of Jerusalem. The proposed Arab State would include the central and part of western Galilee, with the town of Acre, the hill country of Samaria and Judea, an enclave at Jaffa, and the southern coast stretching from north of Isdud (now Ashdod) and encompassing what is now the Gaza Strip, with a section of desert along the Egyptian border. The proposed Jewish State would include the fertile Eastern Galilee, the Coastal Plain, stretching from Haifa to Rehovot and most of the Negev desert. The Jerusalem Corpus separatum was to include Bethlehem and the surrounding areas. The proposed Jewish State covered 56.47% of Mandatory Palestine (excluding Jerusalem) with a population of 498,000 Jews and 325,000 Arabs while the proposed Arab State covered 43.53% of Mandatory Palestine (excluding Jerusalem), with 807,000 Arab inhabitants and 10,000 Jewish inhabitants and in Jerusalem, an international trusteeship regime where the population was 100,000 Jews and 105,000 Arabs.[16]Jordan has never had any legal sovereign claim to the West Bank. A State can't cede territory that doesn't belong to it; let alone cede territory that doesn't belong to it to an unknown, as-yet-non-existent, future State and its government.
Wiki? Seriously?On 29 November 1947 the UN General Assembly passed Resolution 181 which envisaged the division of Palestine into three parts: an Arab State, a Jewish State and the City of Jerusalem. The proposed Arab State would include the central and part of western Galilee, with the town of Acre, the hill country of Samaria and Judea, an enclave at Jaffa, and the southern coast stretching from north of Isdud (now Ashdod) and encompassing what is now the Gaza Strip, with a section of desert along the Egyptian border. The proposed Jewish State would include the fertile Eastern Galilee, the Coastal Plain, stretching from Haifa to Rehovot and most of the Negev desert. The Jerusalem Corpus separatum was to include Bethlehem and the surrounding areas. The proposed Jewish State covered 56.47% of Mandatory Palestine (excluding Jerusalem) with a population of 498,000 Jews and 325,000 Arabs while the proposed Arab State covered 43.53% of Mandatory Palestine (excluding Jerusalem), with 807,000 Arab inhabitants and 10,000 Jewish inhabitants and in Jerusalem, an international trusteeship regime where the population was 100,000 Jews and 105,000 Arabs.[16]
In March 1948, the British Cabinet had agreed that the civil and military authorities in Palestine should make no effort to oppose the setting up of a Jewish State or a move into Palestine from Transjordan.[17] The United States, together with the United Kingdom, favoured the annexation by Transjordan. The UK preferred to permit King Abdullah to annex the territory at the earliest date, while the United States preferred to wait until after the conclusion of negotiations brokered by the Palestine Conciliation Commission.[18]
Entry of Transjordan forces into Mandate Palestine
Following the End of the British Mandate for Palestine and Israel's declaration of independence on 14 May 1948, the Arab Legion, under the leadership of Sir John Bagot Glubb, known as Glubb Pasha, was ordered to enter Mandatory Palestine and secure the UN-designated Arab area.[
Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia
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You sound like a land thief
Your claim was that Jordan ceded the territory to a non-existing future state. My response was that the territory was not under Jordanian sovereignty and therefore not Jordan's to cede AND that you can't cede territory to something that doesn't exist. Nothing in the above post refutes my position.
A Palestinian state is inevitable. Biden should speed up the process.
I call on U.S. President Joe Biden to recognize a Palestinian state now.thehill.com
There it is. Read it and understand the perspective.
But on the other hand,
The ONLY reason why this Administration would today recognize a Palestinian State would be to win votes in Michigan and Minnesota. Such a blatant, cynical move would be...unsurprising.
- There is no legitimate entity that could be deemed a "State." Neither the Palestinian Authority nor Hamas has any electoral legitimacy. Neither has held an election in more than a decade, and the idea that any fair and free election could even be held in "Palestine" is a sick joke.
- Poll after poll indicates that fewer than 20% of "Palestinians" can envision a time, EVER, when a Palestinian State could live in peace alongside the Jewish State. You cannot legitimize a mob whose very reason for existence is the obliteration of a neighboring State.
- "Palestine" would be a "welfare state." It has no economy. It produces nothing of value. It would be entirely dependent on donations (whatever you call them) from other States and organizations for its existence.
- The "culture" of Palestine is an awful mess. Its children have been raised and taught in school that their highest aspiration would be to die in the act of killing a Jew or Jews.
- The "Palestinians" are universally shunned in the Arab/Muslim world. Its refugees are denied citizenship rights in almost every country to which they have fled over the years. Even those countries recognize that they are a cancer.
Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews.
This is kinda the bottom line, isn't it? What is the status of the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank? Are they citizens of Israel? (In which case, they, obviously, should have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. But this would also end the idea of a future State of Palestine.) OR are they citizens of Palestine? (In which case, could you argue that a State of Palestine already exists?)
One would be led to believe you have never actually read the treaties you rely on in this post. Have you been deceived, or do you just intend to deceive others?Total lies.
Palestine has always been a collection of legitimate states, and it was unified into the sovereign state of Palestine in 1920, with the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres.
It is Israel that is fake, illegal, and without historical or cultural precedence.
There has NEVER been any historical violence between Jews and Moslems, and the whole Mideast has been Moslem for almost 1500 years, with millions of Jews happily living there.
In fact, Islam is only a slight reformation of Judaism.
Palestine has always been productive.
Its agriculture was famous for oranges.
Israel has just ended all that by stealing all the farms, orchards, pastures, water, etc., and cut off all trade.
No Moslem country "shuns" Palestinians, and millions of Palestinians live in neighboring Moslem countries.
And waiting until after you lost the territory to cede it would really be funny, if it happened.
It didn't.
But this doesn't answer my question, now, does it? What is the status of the Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza? Are they citizens of Palestine or citizens of Israel?Palestine was legally created in 1920 by the Treaty of Sevres and Treaty of San Remo.
That can not change unless the Palestinians vote to change it.
But it is Israel that is fake, not legal, and has not authority to exist at all.
It was an arbitrary proclamation by the UN, in order to satisfy a million illegal immigrants who had murdered the British peacekeepers by blowing up the King David Hotel.
One would be led to believe you have never actually read the treaties you rely on in this post. Have you been deceived, or do you just intend to deceive others?
We agree.The treaties are obvious.
Yes, exactly. Sovereignty for whom? What do the treaties say?The meaning of the British MANDATE for Palestine is that the British were saddled with the obligation to prepare the Palestinian government for self-rule, and that the British would only help defend and organize Palestine in the meantime.
That is what a "mandate" means.
A "mandate" is an obligation, with totally independent sovereignty being the goal.
But this doesn't answer my question, now, does it? What is the status of the Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza? Are they citizens of Palestine or citizens of Israel?
We agree.
Yes, exactly. Sovereignty for whom? What do the treaties say?
LOL By any chance you don't live in Dearborn, do you?That is a lie.
Arabs in Israel are not allowed to use the same hospitals, schools, or even roads.
Their homes are arbitrarily confiscated without any legal recourse.
Their cisterns have all been illegally destroyed.
Fewer than 1 million of the 13 million native Palestinian Arabs are allowed to vote in Israel, even though Israel occupies all of Palestine.
(all emphasis mine)The treaties are clear that the sovereignty of Palestine is for the natives, and immigration was to be limited to only30,000 Jews a year, not the 300,000 a year who illegally smuggled in weapons.
Ridiculous. Israel was established with exactly the same legal process and through the same legal premises as Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, as well as dozens of other states in the post-empire, post-war period. Israel was the only State whose establishment was illegally interfered with by other states.There is no legal entity of Israel.
UNGA 181 is not binding. And there is no basis in any treaty or agreement (until Oslo) that there is a legally defined boundary between Israel and any other state (or pseudo-state).But if we want to pretend there is an Israel, it can not possibly include Jerusalem or the West Bank, and would have to be limited to the 1948 UN partition.
Which is exactly why Israel is the only State that can claim sovereignty within the entirety of Palestine. No other State can gain territory belonging to Israel by the use of force.The UN clearly made it illegal to gain territory by the use of force,
By definition, this would mean applying Israeli sovereignty to the entire territory, thus ending the occupation. I have no problem with that. But that ends any idea of the creation of another state in the territory. Is that what you are arguing for?But if Israel is going to illegally occupy all of Palestine as they have, then they have to grant citizenship to all those who live under their control.
No Moslem country "shuns" Palestinians, and millions of Palestinians live in neighboring Moslem countries.
Jordan never owned or wanted the West Bank.
They just stepped in to help protect and administer it after Menachim Begin murdered the British peacekeepers by blowing up the King David Hotel.
The treaties said the natives, which is the Palestinian Arabs.We agree.
Yes, exactly. Sovereignty for whom? What do the treaties say?