The Big Lie

[citygator]

Breitbart. Bwahahaha. And an opinion no less.

You guys:

- Absentee ballot dumps
- Late counting
- Illegals voting
- observers barred
- software hacking
- software purposely programmed to swindle
- China boat showing up with ballots of bamboo
- backdated ballots
- overvote tabulation
- rule changes

You guys are nuts. Everyone of those has been disproven and most retracted in court but still you persist. You are all sheep led to the GOP slaughter. Godspeed.

Trump slowed up the mail and you want to throw out votes that came in late? Fuck you.

Dominion is suing Rudy and Fox for slandering them. Their machines weren't hacked. Got proof?

Your observers were causing chaos like they did in 2000. We weren't going to fall for that again. We let 50 cons in to watch for every 50 libs. You wanted to overrun the recount and cause confusion in order to stop the count just like Florida 2000.

Who voted illegally? Anyone?

You read to fast and didn’t comprehend the post, try again. Try reading above or below the list.

 

[kaz]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

What don't you like about the Democrats border policies? You want a wall?

I don't like amnesty, sanctuary cities or defending illegals. If you find them send them back. Put a tatoo on their forehead if they get caught twice so there won't be a third time.

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"I don't like amnesty, sanctuary cities or defending illegals"

Note you're still playing word games:

amnesty - because they should be allowed to walk in legally ...

sanctuary cities - because they should be allowed to walk in legally ...

defending illegals - no idea what that means.

Note you can't actually criticize Democrats, you can't do it. You're not an offshoot, you're a Democrat

You're right. Reagan and Bush also pushed Amnesty. Maybe I'm a Republican.

No I think illegals should be made to go back to where they came from.

No they should be able to walk in legally. I mean they should be allowed to come here legally and visit the same way Canadians do but the problem is Mexicans can come here and find illegal employers who are willing to pay them more than what they can make back home.

Want to fix the problem? Lets start going after illegal employers again like we did when Clinton was President. Bush stopped. Why did he stop?

So once again, you're wishy washy and avoid ever criticizing Democats.

Starting with employers is the way to get the worst possible outcome. We prevent the ones who want to work from coming here, the ones we want, and we give free access to criminals, drug traffickers, coyotes, sex slavery and other slavery. They don't care about jobs, let you let them walk right in. And you keep out the ones who want to work and live here.

Typical Democrat, you never think anything through

 

[BlindBoo]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's.

 

[surada]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Trump didn't know how government works. We saw that clearly throughout his presidency but mostly his mishandling of the pandemic.

We saw that with his birther claims and his claim that Ted Cruz father was part of the JFK assassination. Trump is mentally ill.

Origins of the claims​

Conspiracy theories about Obama's religion appeared at least as early as his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign in a press release by Illinois political candidate Andy Martin,[38] and, according to a Los Angeles Times editorial, as Internet rumors.[39]

From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency.[40] In April of that year, some supporters of Hillary Clinton circulated anonymous chain emails repeating the same rumor;[41] among them was an Iowa campaign volunteer, who was fired when the story emerged.[42][43] These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion, and birth certificate.[44][45]

On June 9, 2008, Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online suggested that Obama release his birth certificate.[46][47] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him "Barry" rather than "Barack"; and that Barack Obama Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen.[47][48][49]

In August 2008, Philip J. Berg, a former member of the Democratic State Committee of Pennsylvania, brought an unsuccessful lawsuit against Obama, which alleged "that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya."[50][51]

In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born" Senator Barack Obama.[52] Also that month, anonymous e-mails circulated claiming that the Associated Press (AP) had reported Obama was "Kenyan-Born".[53] The claims were based on an AP story that had appeared five years earlier in a Kenyan publication, The Standard.[53][54] The rumor-checking website Snopes.com found that the headline and lead-in sentence describing Obama as born in Kenya and misspelling his first name had been added by the Kenyan newspaper, and did not appear in the story issued by the AP or in any other contemporary newspaper that picked up the AP story.[53][55]

In 2012, the far-right website Breitbart published a copy of a promotional booklet that Obama's literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed in 1991 (and later posted to their website, in a biography in place until April 2007) which misidentified Obama's birthplace and states that Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii". When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet's editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.[56]

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Those people are morons.. You can't bring a brown baby into the US and get thru Customs and Immigration without documentation. I mean this one was seriously stupid. If Obama was born in Kenya his birth would have been registered at the nearest US Consulate. Evidently big brain didn't know that.

 

[kaz]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

And today those racist whites in the south are Republicans and blacks back then were Republicans but now are Democrats. Southern Strategy.

You made that up. First of all, most of those people are dead.

And here's how you lie. You say that 100% of the people before were Democrats and now 100% of southerners are now Republicans. Ergo the racists are now Republicans.

Again, you made that up. Actually the South only overall leans Republicans, there is no mapping of racists other than in your mind. And you are a racist.

I have seen zero evidence of your claim. Most of the racists I know are still Democrats. Think about it, racists don't like change. Why would they switch parties?

I call bull shit to the shit you're pulling out of your ass, prove it

 

[Correll]

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

Yep. Though I disagree with those that oppose them, I do not think that they are all bad people.


And even if I did disagree, I would not lie about what Trump said, so that I could attack him based on that lie.

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

 

[kaz]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

And today those racist whites in the south are Republicans and blacks back then were Republicans but now are Democrats. Southern Strategy.

Well their descendants did a lot of switching. The voters stayed loyal to the representatives who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 64. Carter swept the South in 76. Texas was still Democrat when I moved here in 77.

1964 was 57 years ago. If you were 18 in 1964, you are now minimum 75.

Which again means most of the people who voted in 1964 are now dead

 

[kaz]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's

Just like Biden today. Those damned multi colored schools, blacks are all the same and if you don't vote for him, according to him you're not black! And his VP pointed out he's a racist. Then Democrats nominated him and he picked her anyway!

Wow, Democrats are and always were racist

 

[Faun]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.

Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.

You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.


That is my point.


You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.


That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.


Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, there were none nor was there any reason to believe there were. It was the Unite the Right rally. A rally by racists to unite various racist groups. It was conceived by racists, promoted by racists, sponsored by racists, and attended by racists. He condemned some racists but called others "very fine people."

That is your opinion. Trump clearly stated that he had another opinion.

You people did not attack him based on his opinion being wrong.

You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, that's not my opinion. It's historical fact...

Trump, (and I) clearly acknowledged that there were ws there and condemned them.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

 

[progressive hunter]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Sealy's issue is that he's only smart enough to learn one set of talking points. If we're just pot smoking Republicans, then he can use his Republican talking points.

If we're not, then we're like a ghost to him. We're vapor in the wind. He has no idea what talking points to use. So being a simpleton, post smoking Republican it is!

I love it. Someone said the difference between a Libertarian and Republicans is libertarians are fiscally conservative, and mean it. LOL.

Try telling your Republican friends here that they don't mean it.

Then I'm not a real Democrat because I'm for labor/unions and I mean it. So what new party spin off should I invent? Demotarians party sound good to you? And I'm against illegal employers. I want to go after them. None of the Democrats are saying that. I need to start a new party like you libertarians.

youre confusing political parties with ideologies,,

How do we know Libertarians really mean it? They've never been in charge of shit.

And is Rand Paul's state doing better than the rest of us?

Kentucky is the fourth-poorest state in the country

Why Kentucky ranked 40th in US News & World Report's best states analysis. A new analysis of states and how they perform for their residents ranked Kentucky 40th out of 50, a disappointing showing driven by lags in health care and education.

Currently, Martin County's population is one of the poorest in the United States. Nearly 30 percent of county residents live in poverty, and most households earn less than $30,000 a year.

that has nothing t do with my comment,,

 

[Correll]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

Crocodile tears. Both sides do it. Recall the "You didn't build that" campaign.

So, you admit it was a political lie. THank you.

Your lie though was massively successful. I can think of nothing more damaging in this day and age, as being smeared with the ws label.


And by that fact, you undermined the election.


FRAUD BY DECPETION.

Well that is was the Republican tactic, completely lie about the context of what was said, whereas the part of the Trumpyberra quote they emphasized was half true in that the Grumpster was trying to equivocate and satisfy both sides.

Romney gained ground back in 2012 after they used that attack ad campaign too. Furthermore the Trumpybear campaign embraced a very deceptive campaign against Sec. Clinton in 2016.

Sounds like you guys can dish it out alright, but when the tables are turned, you cry "Fraud"!

Irrelevant.

THe point stands. THe voters were misled on a massive scale.


AND, as per the op, also intimidated.


Thus, not a legitimate election.

Both side do it. SOP. Or did you truly believe that crap about Joe Biden in the Ukraine the Ghoul was pushing?

Whataboutism, contains an admission of the charge.

I would be happy to discuss the details of that, in another thread. But in this thread the all other lefties are pretending that this did not occur.

Having a discussion about whether our democracy is undermined by your sides massive lies, or by both sides while the vast majority of the posters having their hands over their ears and are screaming, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME",


does not seem feasible to me.

 

[surada]

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

Yep. Though I disagree with those that oppose them, I do not think that they are all bad people.


And even if I did disagree, I would not lie about what Trump said, so that I could attack him based on that lie.

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

 

[kaz]

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

Yep. Though I disagree with those that oppose them, I do not think that they are all bad people.


And even if I did disagree, I would not lie about what Trump said, so that I could attack him based on that lie.

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

So sealy, if your parents, grandparents or other ancestors were racists, that means you are?

 

[Faun]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

You're kazzing again. When Trump said there were "very fine people" on that side, he was referring to the Unite the Right crowd.

 

[kaz]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.

Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.

You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.


That is my point.


You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.


That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.


Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, there were none nor was there any reason to believe there were. It was the Unite the Right rally. A rally by racists to unite various racist groups. It was conceived by racists, promoted by racists, sponsored by racists, and attended by racists. He condemned some racists but called others "very fine people."

That is your opinion. Trump clearly stated that he had another opinion.

You people did not attack him based on his opinion being wrong.

You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, that's not my opinion. It's historical fact...

Trump, (and I) clearly acknowledged that there were ws there and condemned them.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

From the guy who already lied about what Trumps said, LOL.

Now you're not only a mind reader but you're debating for Trump on what he meant. You're full of shit, racist

 

[Faun]

When piles of evidence of rampant illegal activities by election officials

There are piles of something but it ain't evidence.

Every sworn affidavit submitted constitutes evidence.

Worthless evidence as demonstrated by Richard Hopkins and Melissa Carone.

 

[Faun]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.

Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.

You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.


That is my point.


You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.


That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.


Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, there were none nor was there any reason to believe there were. It was the Unite the Right rally. A rally by racists to unite various racist groups. It was conceived by racists, promoted by racists, sponsored by racists, and attended by racists. He condemned some racists but called others "very fine people."

That is your opinion. Trump clearly stated that he had another opinion.

You people did not attack him based on his opinion being wrong.

You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, that's not my opinion. It's historical fact...

Trump, (and I) clearly acknowledged that there were ws there and condemned them.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

From the guy who already lied about what Trumps said, LOL.

Now you're not only a mind reader but you're debating for Trump on what he meant. You're full of shit, racist

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

 

[kaz]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

You're kazzing again. When Trump said there were "very fine people" on that side, he was referring to the Unite the Right crowd.

I'm not interested in your claims you are a mind reader. You're a total moron. And the dispute was over the statues. You're claiming that you know Trump WAS NOT talking about the subject but something else.

You obviously do not know that, racist. But what the hell, I'll give you a chance to prove you read minds. I'm thinking of a number between one and a million. What is it?

 

[dblack]

How's the "true scotsman" haggling coming?

Would this help?

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

 

[BlindBoo]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

And today those racist whites in the south are Republicans and blacks back then were Republicans but now are Democrats. Southern Strategy.

Well their descendants did a lot of switching. The voters stayed loyal to the representatives who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 64. Carter swept the South in 76. Texas was still Democrat when I moved here in 77.

1964 was 57 years ago. If you were 18 in 1964, you are now minimum 75.

Which again means most of the people who voted in 1964 are now dead

Regardless of when you were born, the records show the democrats in the South held on to their seats in the next several elections, but when they began to retire Republican challengers were ready.