The Big Lie

[kaz]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's

Just like Biden today. Those damned multi colored schools, blacks are all the same and if you don't vote for him, according to him you're not black! And his VP pointed out he's a racist. Then Democrats nominated him and he picked her anyway!

Wow, Democrats are and always were racist

Hahahaha must irk you that voters of all colors voted Biden to victory over the Trumpybear.

I'd give up your desire to be a chick. You suck at reading feelings.

Just FYI, racist, not everyone who isn't white voted for Joe. My god you're racist. Nothing is about anything but skin color to you. No wonder you voted for the racist Biden

 

[kaz]

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I have to tell you having lived in the south for several decades that statues are not really a big thing down here. Democrats violence is, but I really have barely ever heard much about the statues. It could be different in more specific areas

 

[BlindBoo]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

Crocodile tears. Both sides do it. Recall the "You didn't build that" campaign.

So, you admit it was a political lie. THank you.

Your lie though was massively successful. I can think of nothing more damaging in this day and age, as being smeared with the ws label.


And by that fact, you undermined the election.


FRAUD BY DECPETION.

Well that is was the Republican tactic, completely lie about the context of what was said, whereas the part of the Trumpyberra quote they emphasized was half true in that the Grumpster was trying to equivocate and satisfy both sides.

Romney gained ground back in 2012 after they used that attack ad campaign too. Furthermore the Trumpybear campaign embraced a very deceptive campaign against Sec. Clinton in 2016.

Sounds like you guys can dish it out alright, but when the tables are turned, you cry "Fraud"!

Irrelevant.

THe point stands. THe voters were misled on a massive scale.


AND, as per the op, also intimidated.


Thus, not a legitimate election.

Both side do it. SOP. Or did you truly believe that crap about Joe Biden in the Ukraine the Ghoul was pushing?

Whataboutism, contains an admission of the charge.

I would be happy to discuss the details of that, in another thread. But in this thread the all other lefties are pretending that this did not occur.

Having a discussion about whether our democracy is undermined by your sides massive lies, or by both sides while the vast majority of the posters having their hands over their ears and are screaming, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME",


does not seem feasible to me.

I understand you don't like it when the other side effectively uses the same tactic your side uses

 

[kaz]

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

Yep. Though I disagree with those that oppose them, I do not think that they are all bad people.


And even if I did disagree, I would not lie about what Trump said, so that I could attack him based on that lie.

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

 

[Faun]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.

Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.

You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.


That is my point.


You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.


That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.


Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, there were none nor was there any reason to believe there were. It was the Unite the Right rally. A rally by racists to unite various racist groups. It was conceived by racists, promoted by racists, sponsored by racists, and attended by racists. He condemned some racists but called others "very fine people."

That is your opinion. Trump clearly stated that he had another opinion.

You people did not attack him based on his opinion being wrong.

You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, that's not my opinion. It's historical fact...

Trump, (and I) clearly acknowledged that there were ws there and condemned them.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

Interesting. You changed the subject. The Lie was he said ws were "very fine people". Suddenly, you're talking about wacists.

Trump clearly stated, explicitly so, that he was NOT talking about the ws when he stated "very fine people".

You people lied to the American people about that. That is a huge lie, that BY ITSELF, would undermine the legitimacy of the election.


FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

LOL

You're brain-dead, con. I changed nothing. Trump, speaking about people at a racist rally, said there were "very fine people" among them. Not too different when he said people storming the Capitol were "very special."

 

[kaz]

I object to anyone who removes Confederate Statues with violence like BLM and Antifa and their supporters. But I have no problem with people who do it the right way.

I get why reasonable people would be offended by the statues. The generals they honor were fighting on the side of slavery. Obviously private property is another thing. But I don't think government should display things that reasonably offend a large share of it's citizens.

The Statues were also all done specifically in support of Jim Crow and in your face racism.

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats, just like Jim Crow, the KKK, lynching, cross burning and segregation. Democrats are racists

So it's funny today Republicans are the ones defending and arguing for those Democrats from yesterday

The democrats from yesterday are all dead. This is about their descendants and whether they have the right to celebrate their heritage.

During the 1960s a lot of DIXIECRATS became Republicans.

Does that mean that you think that Southerns today do or do NOT have the right to celebrate their heritage?

I AM a Southerner you nitwit.

Are statues a big thing where you live? I've lived in four southern States and never really heard a lot about statues.

I've heard a lot about leftist rioters, but not really civil war statues themselves

 

[kaz]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

 

[BlindBoo]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's

Just like Biden today. Those damned multi colored schools, blacks are all the same and if you don't vote for him, according to him you're not black! And his VP pointed out he's a racist. Then Democrats nominated him and he picked her anyway!

Wow, Democrats are and always were racist

Hahahaha must irk you that voters of all colors voted Biden to victory over the Trumpybear.

I'd give up your desire to be a chick. You suck at reading feelings.

Just FYI, racist, not everyone who isn't white voted for Joe. My god you're racist. Nothing is about anything but skin color to you. No wonder you voted for the racist Biden

I love you guys. You make me laugh.

 

[kaz]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

"A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican."

Well, so economically we are certainly more Republican than Democrat. The main difference is that when it comes to fiscal conservatism we mean it.

Socially we are more Democrat than Republican. Except again unlike Democrats we mean it.

Militarily we aren't like either of you two war parties where the only difference between you is you both want to be behind the steering wheel.

So what about it, dblack ? You a Republican offshoot? Why or why not?

You are NOT a libertarian. No "fiscal conservative" would EVER vote for Donald Trump. Nor are you in favour of individual liberty - like legalized drugs, abortions, or other individual behaviours and decisions.

A question, George. Since you know all about libertarians, what WOULD a libertarian have done in the 2020 election? Voted for Biden?

Voted for the Libertarian.

I'm a libertarian, not a Libertarian. I realize you don't know what that means. Those damned government schools. I'd ask don't you want better for your kids than the shitty government education you got, but we both know you'll never have kids. A girl would have to have sex with you. Not gonna happen ...

 

[Dragonlady]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Trump didn't know how government works. We saw that clearly throughout his presidency but mostly his mishandling of the pandemic.

We saw that with his birther claims and his claim that Ted Cruz father was part of the JFK assassination. Trump is mentally ill.

Origins of the claims​

Conspiracy theories about Obama's religion appeared at least as early as his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign in a press release by Illinois political candidate Andy Martin,[38] and, according to a Los Angeles Times editorial, as Internet rumors.[39]

From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency.[40] In April of that year, some supporters of Hillary Clinton circulated anonymous chain emails repeating the same rumor;[41] among them was an Iowa campaign volunteer, who was fired when the story emerged.[42][43] These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion, and birth certificate.[44][45]

On June 9, 2008, Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online suggested that Obama release his birth certificate.[46][47] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him "Barry" rather than "Barack"; and that Barack Obama Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen.[47][48][49]

In August 2008, Philip J. Berg, a former member of the Democratic State Committee of Pennsylvania, brought an unsuccessful lawsuit against Obama, which alleged "that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya."[50][51]

In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born" Senator Barack Obama.[52] Also that month, anonymous e-mails circulated claiming that the Associated Press (AP) had reported Obama was "Kenyan-Born".[53] The claims were based on an AP story that had appeared five years earlier in a Kenyan publication, The Standard.[53][54] The rumor-checking website Snopes.com found that the headline and lead-in sentence describing Obama as born in Kenya and misspelling his first name had been added by the Kenyan newspaper, and did not appear in the story issued by the AP or in any other contemporary newspaper that picked up the AP story.[53][55]

In 2012, the far-right website Breitbart published a copy of a promotional booklet that Obama's literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed in 1991 (and later posted to their website, in a biography in place until April 2007) which misidentified Obama's birthplace and states that Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii". When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet's editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.[56]

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency."

Thanks for showing conservatives started that shit.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

From the guy who already lied about what Trumps said, LOL.

Now you're not only a mind reader but you're debating for Trump on what he meant. You're full of shit, racist

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

You deny that ANYTHING is racist, because you're benefitting from white privilege, and you think you can't compete on a level playing field. Of course, given your proven lack of reading comprehension skills, and your basic knowledge of history, economics, or standard business pratices, you may very well be right.

 

[Faun]

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

From the guy who already lied about what Trumps said, LOL.

Now you're not only a mind reader but you're debating for Trump on what he meant. You're full of shit, racist

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

 

[kaz]

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

You're kazzing again. When Trump said there were "very fine people" on that side, he was referring to the Unite the Right crowd.

I'm not interested in your claims you are a mind reader. You're a total moron. And the dispute was over the statues. You're claiming that you know Trump WAS NOT talking about the subject but something else.

You obviously do not know that, racist. But what the hell, I'll give you a chance to prove you read minds. I'm thinking of a number between one and a million. What is it?

LOL

Who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

You're just lying again, he was taking about the statues.

You still claim to read minds, so answer my question. My number between one and a million, what is it?

 

[Faun]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

"A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican."

Well, so economically we are certainly more Republican than Democrat. The main difference is that when it comes to fiscal conservatism we mean it.

Socially we are more Democrat than Republican. Except again unlike Democrats we mean it.

Militarily we aren't like either of you two war parties where the only difference between you is you both want to be behind the steering wheel.

So what about it, dblack ? You a Republican offshoot? Why or why not?

You are NOT a libertarian. No "fiscal conservative" would EVER vote for Donald Trump. Nor are you in favour of individual liberty - like legalized drugs, abortions, or other individual behaviours and decisions.

A question, George. Since you know all about libertarians, what WOULD a libertarian have done in the 2020 election? Voted for Biden?

Voted for the Libertarian.

I'm a libertarian, not a Libertarian. I realize you don't know what that means. Those damned government schools. I'd ask don't you want better for your kids than the shitty government education you got, but we both know you'll never have kids. A girl would have to have sex with you. Not gonna happen ...

LOLOL

So a libertarian running as a Libertarian isn't a libertarian??

 

[kaz]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's

Just like Biden today. Those damned multi colored schools, blacks are all the same and if you don't vote for him, according to him you're not black! And his VP pointed out he's a racist. Then Democrats nominated him and he picked her anyway!

Wow, Democrats are and always were racist

Hahahaha must irk you that voters of all colors voted Biden to victory over the Trumpybear.

I'd give up your desire to be a chick. You suck at reading feelings.

Just FYI, racist, not everyone who isn't white voted for Joe. My god you're racist. Nothing is about anything but skin color to you. No wonder you voted for the racist Biden

I love you guys. You make me laugh.

Yeah, your being a racist is really funny. Ha ha ...

 

[Faun]

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

You're kazzing again. When Trump said there were "very fine people" on that side, he was referring to the Unite the Right crowd.

I'm not interested in your claims you are a mind reader. You're a total moron. And the dispute was over the statues. You're claiming that you know Trump WAS NOT talking about the subject but something else.

You obviously do not know that, racist. But what the hell, I'll give you a chance to prove you read minds. I'm thinking of a number between one and a million. What is it?

LOL

Who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

You're just lying again, he was taking about the statues.

You still claim to read minds, so answer my question. My number between one and a million, what is it?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, he said there were "very fine people," not "very fine statues." And I never said I can read minds. Even if I could, I couldn't read yours because it's so badly deformed.

 

[BlindBoo]

The dirty secret is they were put up by Democrats and honor Democrats,

It's not though. The South was completely controlled by racist democrats. There were non racist democrats but they were the minority.

The statues were put up by the racist Democrats in support of Jim Crow and the KKK, so the statues were put up by racist Democrats.

I suppose there were probably some non-racist Democrats at that time. Ironic, there are no non-racist Democrats today. Being Democrats they are supporting the racist Democrat party

Again not secret. History. Wilson, a Democrat, was a racist and a lot of his rhetoric and policies encourage the race riots in the 20's

Just like Biden today. Those damned multi colored schools, blacks are all the same and if you don't vote for him, according to him you're not black! And his VP pointed out he's a racist. Then Democrats nominated him and he picked her anyway!

Wow, Democrats are and always were racist

Hahahaha must irk you that voters of all colors voted Biden to victory over the Trumpybear.

You can't be racist if other races vote for you? Wow, that's stupid. Even for you

Don't hold back; Let all your frustrations out. Tell me how you really feel about America and our Constitution. When did you lose faith in the American Experiment?

 

[kaz]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Trump didn't know how government works. We saw that clearly throughout his presidency but mostly his mishandling of the pandemic.

We saw that with his birther claims and his claim that Ted Cruz father was part of the JFK assassination. Trump is mentally ill.

Origins of the claims​

Conspiracy theories about Obama's religion appeared at least as early as his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign in a press release by Illinois political candidate Andy Martin,[38] and, according to a Los Angeles Times editorial, as Internet rumors.[39]

From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency.[40] In April of that year, some supporters of Hillary Clinton circulated anonymous chain emails repeating the same rumor;[41] among them was an Iowa campaign volunteer, who was fired when the story emerged.[42][43] These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama's origin, religion, and birth certificate.[44][45]

On June 9, 2008, Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online suggested that Obama release his birth certificate.[46][47] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him "Barry" rather than "Barack"; and that Barack Obama Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen.[47][48][49]

In August 2008, Philip J. Berg, a former member of the Democratic State Committee of Pennsylvania, brought an unsuccessful lawsuit against Obama, which alleged "that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya."[50][51]

In October 2008, an NPR article referred to "Kenyan-born" Senator Barack Obama.[52] Also that month, anonymous e-mails circulated claiming that the Associated Press (AP) had reported Obama was "Kenyan-Born".[53] The claims were based on an AP story that had appeared five years earlier in a Kenyan publication, The Standard.[53][54] The rumor-checking website Snopes.com found that the headline and lead-in sentence describing Obama as born in Kenya and misspelling his first name had been added by the Kenyan newspaper, and did not appear in the story issued by the AP or in any other contemporary newspaper that picked up the AP story.[53][55]

In 2012, the far-right website Breitbart published a copy of a promotional booklet that Obama's literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed in 1991 (and later posted to their website, in a biography in place until April 2007) which misidentified Obama's birthplace and states that Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii". When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet's editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.[56]

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"From the start of March 2008, rumors that Obama was born in Kenya before being flown to Hawaii were spread on conservative websites, with the suggestion that this would disqualify Obama from the presidency."

Thanks for showing conservatives started that shit.

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.


You told the American voters, that the President said that ws were "very fine people:.


That if true, would be a valid and huge point AGAINST him by the vast majority of voters.


ANd you made it stick.


That makes the election, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.

Nope, the liar and idiot is you. Trump never said he thought there were non-racists there. You're saying that for him because you want to believe that but he never said that. Nor was there a reason to belive that because it was a racist rally held by racists.

From the guy who already lied about what Trumps said, LOL.

Now you're not only a mind reader but you're debating for Trump on what he meant. You're full of shit, racist

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

You deny that ANYTHING is racist, because you're benefitting from white privilege, and you think you can't compete on a level playing field. Of course, given your proven lack of reading comprehension skills, and your basic knowledge of history, economics, or standard business pratices, you may very well be right.

George is up to bat, the pitch comes, and that's a big hold swish!

Bull shit, there are racist things out there. You're a racist for example like Joe Biden and all Democrats.

You are a true disinformation officer, nothing you say is true, George.

But on the bright side, how easy does the Democrat party make being a Chinese disinformation officer! They are already saying all your Chinese Communist party lies!

Being a Chinese disinformation officer in America is like going hunting where the deer shoot themselves!

 

[Faun]

Oh, well there you go then. It's up to you what a libertarian would do. Thanks for settling that, George. There'll be a little extra thank you pay in your Chinese disinformation paycheck. Shhh, the other Chinese disinformation officers will get jealous ...

Moron

It's not really necessary for you to sign your posts. The forum already knows who you are.

Another playground insult! It's the domain you live

Poor baby, do you ever stop crying?

Ever??

 

[kaz]

Your post does not contradict my point.



You lied about what he said. You lied about what he meant.

LOLOL

I quoted him, kazzer.

No shit, angry little boy. But you said what he was talking about, which wasn't the purpose of the march and wasn't part of his quote. You lied about what he was referring to.

My God you're stupid. No wonder you're constantly just maxing out at playground insults and posting like an eight year old

LOLOL

It was a racist rally, ya kazzer. Who among those racists are "very fine people?"

You see everything as racist, it's because you are one

LOL

I note you don't want to answer that question... who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

Your reluctance to answer reveals you're full of shit.

I directly answered that question. You are a liar, Trump never said that.

Why do you hate black people? So?

 

[kaz]

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

Yes, there are very fine people who support and oppose Civil War statues. That was pretty reasonable

You're kazzing again. When Trump said there were "very fine people" on that side, he was referring to the Unite the Right crowd.

I'm not interested in your claims you are a mind reader. You're a total moron. And the dispute was over the statues. You're claiming that you know Trump WAS NOT talking about the subject but something else.

You obviously do not know that, racist. But what the hell, I'll give you a chance to prove you read minds. I'm thinking of a number between one and a million. What is it?

LOL

Who among the Unite the Right is a very fine person?

You're just lying again, he was taking about the statues.

You still claim to read minds, so answer my question. My number between one and a million, what is it?

LOLOL

Dumbfuck, he said there were "very fine people," not "very fine statues." And I never said I can read minds. Even if I could, I couldn't read yours because it's so badly deformed.

OMG you're stupid. Right, the PEOPLE who are for or against the statues.

You're so stupid I'm starting to feel sorry for you. Wow, I did not see that coming