Debate Now What does MAGA mean ? Specifically ?

[HikerGuy83]

He's on target for a 2.5 trillion deficit.

Wow......that's building something alright.

Did realize what a triggered little girl you are.

My mistake....only 1.6 trillion. That makes it O.K.

How high was Trumps outside of COVID ?

TOO HIGH.

MAGA says nothing about it. They don't seem to care.

You seem to be celebrating it.

Moron.

 

[HikerGuy83]

a growing middle class made us great.

Globalist stupidity has caused our society to bifurcate as the rich benefit from cheap labor and imports while the working class is made less well off from these things (temporary cheap crap bonanza until their job is sent away notwithstanding). this would be "worse".

Better or "greater" would be achieved by reversing bad trade and border policies.

I hope this clears things up for you.

it's quite simple.

With specifics.

I want a balanced budget.....not just a reduced deficit. You can measure that.

You can look at trade imbalances and target certain levels. You can measure things.

I want MAGA to get off it's butt and tell us what it wants.

No more support for vaporous B.S.

 

[lafayette]

MAGA does not care what HikerGuy wants.

 

[HikerGuy83]

MAGA does not care what HikerGuy wants.

Not an issue.

But anytime MAGA cares to show it's face, I'm going to be there pointing out it is nothing more than a sales pitch and that it has no teeth becasue it's to lazy to tell us what it wants.

Have a day.

 

[lafayette]

Not an issue.

But anytime MAGA cares to show it's face, I'm going to be there pointing out it is nothing more than a sales pitch and that it has no teeth becasue it's to lazy to tell us what it wants.

Have a day.

Good on you.

 

[AHZ]

With specifics.

I want a balanced budget.....not just a reduced deficit. You can measure that.

You can look at trade imbalances and target certain levels. You can measure things.

I want MAGA to get off it's butt and tell us what it wants.

No more support for vaporous B.S.

tariffs.

enforce the border.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What is Christianity Virtuous Voter Procrustes Stretched without original sin and Jesus Christ dying on the cross for every Christian’s only path to salvation by belief in his Virgin Birth Resurrection from the dead?

 

[HikerGuy83]

tariffs.

enforce the border.

Yes, yes....we've been through this.

I would prefer something that says......

No releases into the U.S. If you show up asking asylum, we will put you in a camp while your case is reviewed. And know you might be there for YEARS. If it's that important to you, you will be willing to wait.

No release......

Spell it out.

No illegals getting across...period.

 

[AHZ]

Yes, yes....we've been through this.

I would prefer something that says......

No releases into the U.S. If you show up asking asylum, we will put you in a camp while your case is reviewed. And know you might be there for YEARS. If it's that important to you, you will be willing to wait.

No release......

Spell it out.

No illegals getting across...period.

well we had remain in mexico....

Biden reversed it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You have some -- odd narratives.

Not a fan of Paine. Populist nutjob.

It’s not my narrative. A good one is on this
Mt Vernon website:

Thomas Paine

One of the most influential writers during the American Revolution, Thomas Paine also helped shape the?

www.mountvernon.org

Thomas Paine​

One of the most influential writers during the American Revolution, Thomas Paine also helped shape the political ideologies of George Washington.

Yet Paine's popularity was based not solely on original ideas, but rather his feverish level of activity and style of writing.

Evidenced in the title of his most famous pamphlet, Common Sense, Paine wrote in a manner that appealed to the masses, not just American elites.

In addition, Paine constantly agitated for democratic reforms not only in the United States, but also in France and England as well, and helped link the dramatic transformations of the various nations in the northern Atlantic world during the late 1700s.

Paine was born in 1737 in Thetford, England. After brief stints as a sailor and tax official, Paine was introduced to Benjamin Franklinin London in 1774 and subsequently moved to Philadelphia.

As anger at Great Britain deepened and armed conflict erupted in the American colonies, Paine wrote his most famous pamphlet, Common Sense, which appeared in January 1776. While many other spoke of England trampling on the British rights of colonials, but believed King George III would soon rectify the wrongs done to the colonies, Paine argued that the entire British system was fundamentally based on a tyranny of aristocracy and monarchy.

Paine claimed that the colonies should sever their ties to England once and for all, establish a democratic government with a written constitution, and thus gain the advantages of free trade and freedom from being constantly dragged into European wars.

Paine wrote clearly and simply in order to reach the common masses and his ideas contributed greatly to spreading enthusiasm for independence from Great Britain.

It has been estimated that nearly 50,000 copies of the pamphlet appeared in the colonies in the years leading to the Revolution.

George Washington was amongst the wide readership of Paine's writings. Before the famous crossing of the Delaware on the way to victory at Trenton in late 1776, General George Washington ordered officers to read Paine's The American Crisis to the Continental Army.

Contained in that pamphlet were Paine's famous words, "These are the times that try mens souls."

During the Revolution, Paine also worked with radicals in Philadelphia to draft a new state constitution in 1776 that abolished property qualifications for voting and holding office.


Paine returned to Britain in 1787, but soon experienced persecution due to his fervent support of the French Revolution.

When the conservative English writer and politician Edmund Burke heavily criticized the French Revolution, Paine wrote a new work titled The Rights of Man which argued that oppression in society stemmed from aristocratic control of an unequal and undemocratic political system.

Paine was charged with treason and escaped to France in 1793 where he was elected a member of the National Assembly.

When he objected to the beheading of the French King Louis XVI, he was thrown in jail until the American ambassador to France, James Monroe, was able to secure his release.

Paine remained in France for several years, writing his last well-known work, the three-part Age of Reason.

In 1796 Paine published a bitter open letter to George Washington, personally attacking Washington as an incompetent general and elitist president who had betrayed Paine for not protecting him when he claimed American citizenship when arrested by France.

Paine scathingly wrote in regards to Washington that, "Monopolies of every kind marked your administration almost in the moment of its commencement.

The lands obtained by the Revolution were lavished upon partisans; the interest of the disbanded soldier was sold to the speculator…

In what fraudulent light must Mr. Washington's character appear in the world, when his declarations and his conduct are compared together!"1

Despite Paine's dissatisfaction with the years following the America Revolution, Paine returned to the United States in 1802 upon the invitation of President Thomas Jefferson. Paine remained in the United States until his death in 1809.

Kevin Grimm, Ph.D.
Beloit College

 

[NotfooledbyW]

, Paine argued that the entire British system was fundamentally based on a tyranny of aristocracy and monarchy.

Paine claimed that the colonies should sever their ties to England once and for all, establish a democratic government with a written constitution, and thus gain the advantages of free trade and freedom from being constantly dragged into European wars.

MAGA is a farce: America has been great since 1776. It never became not great. The word “AGAIN” in MAGA is as unAmerican as any political movement can when it’s easy to see that the movement is endeared to the idea that there his only one man in existence today who can make America great again as a white Christian strongman who has his own Trump branded Bible to sell to his believers who are very devout Christians and loyal to him.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Trump's hush money prosecution 'a sign he's on the right track': evangelicals

Trump's hush money prosecution 'a sign he's on the right track': evangelicals

Brad Reed

April 2, 2024 12:01PM ET

(Photo by David Dee Delgado/Getty Images)


MAGA to many in the movement means Making America Godly Again which seems to be a difficult measurement to determine when it was before 2015 at the start of MAGA.

One way to decide when America was most ‘God of Abraham’ godly would be counting Christian Church membership since the American Revolution.

Frauds Tucker and Laura distance from T 201130 {post•135} NotfooledbyW Churching of America :

Membership In America Percentage of Women population that belongs to a church: 1776 17% 1850 34% 1860 37% 1870 35% 1890 45% 1906 51% 1916 53% 1926 56% 1952 59% 1980 62% 1995 65% * *Estimated. Source: "The Churching of America: 1776-1990" by Roger Finke and Rodney Stark and Gallup Organization data“ •••• nfbw 201130 Vftald00135


So perhaps GodlyMAGA believe America was greatest in 1995 when church membership was at its peak?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Adams was a Congregationalist.

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Do you think Saint Procrustusstretched that Adams went to church Saturday night, twice on Sunday, and on Wednesday too since you know he was a Congregationalist instead of a Unitarian?

David Barton on John Adams – The Trinity – Warren Throckmorton

Adams ridicules the idea of a trinitarian deity, saying that even if Jefferson and he were the presence of God, they would be unable to believe in the Trinity because it is an unreasonable doctrine. Reason, granted by God, asserted Adams, would prevent such belief.

Historian John Fea, teaching at evangelical Christian Messiah College agrees that Adams rejected the divinity of Christ, hence also the Trinity. Although, as Fea notes, Adams attended different churches, his views settled on a Unitarian theology, very much at odds with orthodox Christianity.

As always, if anyone has information that indicates Adams did believe in the Trinity, please pass it on. For now, it certainly appears that John Adams and the budding Unitarian movement did not hold to the doctrine of the Trinity.
Next up – David Barton on John Adams – The Holy Ghost letter



According to Holley Ulbrichs, author of The Fellowship Movement, and member of the Universalist Unitarian church, Unitarians never believed in the Trinity. Recently, she told me in an email:

In 1819 William Ellery Channing preached a famous sermon in Baltimore at the ordination of Rev. Jared Sparks. The title of his sermon was “Unitarian Christianity.” That brought to a head an ongoing battle between the religious liberals and the religious conservatives in the Congregational Church, of which John Adams was a member, but on the liberal side. The American Unitarian Conference, later Association, came into being in 1825, a year before his death (and Thomas Jefferson’s), but both of them were very sympathetic to the anti-Trinitarian views that were at the heart of the controversy.
Unitarians were never okay with the trinity. Hence the name. Most of them like Jesus, but as a prophet, a role model, a nonviolent revolutionary. Not God.