The CO2 Problem in 6 Easy Steps

[Kosh]

You complain about the Heartland Institute, then post links from the Guardian and DailyKOS?

How is it you don't agree that all you deserve is mockery and derision?

Many members of the AGW cult are also far left Obama drones.

They deserved to be mocked for just being far left much less anything else.

Progressives' childish insistence their fantasies are real would be charming if they weren't fucking up the country.

More truth to defeat the AGW cult:

Of all the carbon emitted into the atmosphere each year, 210 billion tons are from natural sources, and only 6.3 billion tons are from man's activity. Man's burning of fossil fuel, therefore only accounts for 3 percent of total emissions of CO2

 

[RollingThunder]

You complain about the Heartland Institute, then post links from the Guardian and DailyKOS?

How is it you don't agree that all you deserve is mockery and derision?

Of course. The Heartland Institute is a propaganda outlet with close financial ties to the fossil fuel industry. They have very little scientific support.

The Guardian is a newspaper and their articles that I've cited have all been reporting on real peer reviewed science that was published in reputable international science journals, or they are quoting one of the leading climate scientists.

You only bring "mockery and derision" down on yourself with ignorant and clueless posts like this one.

Examples...

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows
13 November 2013
A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate.

Apparent pause in global warming blamed on 'lousy' data
European Space Agency scientist says annual sea level rises since 1993 indicate that warming has continued unabated
13 June 2014
Stephen Briggs from the European Space Agency's Directorate of Earth Observation says that surface air temperature data is the worst indicator of global climate that can be used, describing it as "lousy". "It is like looking at the last hair on the tail of a dog and trying to decide what breed it is," he said on Friday at the Royal Society in London. A better measure, he said, was to look at the average rise in sea levels. The oceans store the vast majority of the climate's heat energy. Increases in this stored energy translate into sea level rises. "Sea level is a very good integrator of different indicators of climate change," said Briggs.

Global warming is unpaused and stuck on fast forward, new research shows
A new paper shows that global warming has continued over the past decade, and been manifested in different ways
10 December 2013
New research by Kevin Trenberth and John Fasullo of the National Center for Atmospheric Research [published in the American Geophysical Union's environmental science journal - 'Earth's Future'] investigates how the warming of the Earth's climate has behaved over the past 15 years compared with the previous few decades.

The Guardian is the British National Enquirer. Dismissed.

LOL. Yes, yes, you "dismiss" all of the actual science and cling to your cultic myths...we know. In spite of your idiotic dismissal of the facts, The Guardian is actually one of the leading British newspapers with an online edition that is the third most widely read in the world and a combined print and online readership of nearly 9 million readers. The Guardian reports on real science that appears in prominent peer reviewed scientific journals.

 

[Kosh]

Of course. The Heartland Institute is a propaganda outlet with close financial ties to the fossil fuel industry. They have very little scientific support.

The Guardian is a newspaper and their articles that I've cited have all been reporting on real peer reviewed science that was published in reputable international science journals, or they are quoting one of the leading climate scientists.

You only bring "mockery and derision" down on yourself with ignorant and clueless posts like this one.

Examples...

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows
13 November 2013
A new paper published in The Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society fills in the gaps in the UK Met Office HadCRUT4 surface temperature data set, and finds that the global surface warming since 1997 has happened more than twice as fast as the HadCRUT4 estimate.

Apparent pause in global warming blamed on 'lousy' data
European Space Agency scientist says annual sea level rises since 1993 indicate that warming has continued unabated
13 June 2014
Stephen Briggs from the European Space Agency's Directorate of Earth Observation says that surface air temperature data is the worst indicator of global climate that can be used, describing it as "lousy". "It is like looking at the last hair on the tail of a dog and trying to decide what breed it is," he said on Friday at the Royal Society in London. A better measure, he said, was to look at the average rise in sea levels. The oceans store the vast majority of the climate's heat energy. Increases in this stored energy translate into sea level rises. "Sea level is a very good integrator of different indicators of climate change," said Briggs.

Global warming is unpaused and stuck on fast forward, new research shows
A new paper shows that global warming has continued over the past decade, and been manifested in different ways
10 December 2013
New research by Kevin Trenberth and John Fasullo of the National Center for Atmospheric Research [published in the American Geophysical Union's environmental science journal - 'Earth's Future'] investigates how the warming of the Earth's climate has behaved over the past 15 years compared with the previous few decades.

The Guardian is the British National Enquirer. Dismissed.

LOL. Yes, yes, you "dismiss" all of the actual science and cling to your cultic myths...we know. In spite of your idiotic dismissal of the facts, The Guardian is actually one of the leading British newspapers with an online edition that is the third most widely read in the world and a combined print and online readership of nearly 9 million readers. The Guardian reports on real science that appears in prominent peer reviewed scientific journals.

The irony in those comments!

 

[mamooth]

Of all the carbon emitted into the atmosphere each year, 210 billion tons are from natural sources, and only 6.3 billion tons are from man's activity. Man's burning of fossil fuel, therefore only accounts for 3 percent of total emissions of CO2

And here, poor addled Kosh shows how something as basic as an equilibrium system completely confuses him.

According to poor addled Kosh, if you make $103 a week and spend $100 a week, your bank account can't possibly increase by $3 a week, because it's only a 3% difference. That's literally how stupid his logic is.

In general, the deniers here are a cluster of low-watt bulbs. And not the efficient LED types. Flac and Ian have some smarts, but the others are all a few guppies shy of an aquarium.

 

[Kosh]

Of all the carbon emitted into the atmosphere each year, 210 billion tons are from natural sources, and only 6.3 billion tons are from man's activity. Man's burning of fossil fuel, therefore only accounts for 3 percent of total emissions of CO2

And here, poor addled Kosh shows how something as basic as an equilibrium system completely confuses him.

According to poor addled Kosh, if you make $103 a week and spend $100 a week, your bank account can't possibly increase by $3 a week, because it's only a 3% difference. That's literally how stupid his logic is.

In general, the deniers here are a cluster of low-watt bulbs. And not the efficient LED types. Flac and Ian have some smarts, but the others are all a few guppies shy of an aquarium.

More proof that the AGW cult follows faulty logic and wants you to believe that all CO2 is man made.

Amazing how faulty the AGW cult logic is.

They can not handle any real science and the true deniers are those that are against actual science, like the AGW cult members.

People are never told that the most powerful greenhouse gases by orders of magnitude is water vapor and clouds. When only human emitted CO2 is considered, less than one percent of the greenhouse gas potential comes from human activity. Yet, all the global warming is supposed to be attributed to it. Water vapor plays a huge role in keeping the earth warm; 70 times more powerful than the CO2 emitted by human activity. When clouds are added, CO2 becomes even less important. However, clouds not only trap heat, low elevation clouds also reflect much of the incoming solar radiation, so the sun's heat never reaches the earth's surface which cools the earth. It is this mechanism that a growing number of scientists believe is one of the primary mechanisms warming and cooling the earth.

 

[RollingThunder]

More truth to defeat the AGW cult:

Actually, it's just more misinformation and lies from a confused denier cult dupe.

The CO2 emitted into the air from natural sources is balanced by the natural CO2 sinks that absorb CO2 from the air. The only new carbon being added to the atmosphere comes from the fossil fuels that have been buried for millions of years or from the melting permafrost. Mankind is currently adding 37 billion tons of CO2 to the air every year, and this has cumulatively increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% (so far) over pre-industrial levels.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere
Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important long-lived trace gas in Earth's atmosphere currently constituting about 0.04% (400 parts per million) of the atmosphere on a molar basis. Despite its relatively small overall concentration, CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas and plays a vital role in regulating Earth's surface temperature through radiative forcing and the greenhouse effect: CO2 absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode).[1]

Carbon dioxide is essential to life on Earth and is an integral part of the carbon cycle, a biogeochemical cycle in which carbon is exchanged between the Earth's oceans, soil, rocks and biosphere. Biologically, plants and other photoautotrophs extract carbon from the atmosphere in the form of carbon dioxide by the process of photosynthesis and use it as an energy source and for the construction of their body parts.

The recent phenomenon of global warming has been attributed primarily to increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations in Earth's atmosphere. The global annual mean concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased markedly since the Industrial Revolution, from 280 ppm to 395 ppm as of 2013,[2] with the increase largely attributed to anthropogenic sources, particularly the burning of fossil fuels.[3] The daily average at Mauna Loa first exceeded 400 ppm on 10 May 2013.[4] It is currently rising at a rate of approximately 2 ppm/year and accelerating.[5][6] An estimated 30–40% of the CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[7][8] which contributes to ocean acidification. The present concentration of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere is the highest in the past 800,000 years[9] and likely the highest in the past 20 million years.[10]

Atmospheric carbon dioxide plays an integral role in the Earth's carbon cycle whereby carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere by some natural processes and added back to the atmosphere by other natural processes. There are two broad carbon cycles on earth: the fast carbon cycle and the slow carbon cycle. The fast carbon cycle refers to movements of carbon between the environment and living things in the biosphere whereas the slow carbon cycle involves the movement of carbon between the atmosphere, oceans, soil, rocks and volcanism. Both carbon cycles are intrinsically interconnected and atmospheric gaseous carbon dioxide facilitates the carbon cycle.

Natural sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide include volcanic outgassing, the combustion of organic matter, wildfires and the respiration processes of living aerobic organisms. Man-made sources of carbon dioxide include the burning of fossil fuels for heating, power generation and transport, as well as some industrial processes such as cement making. It is also produced by various microorganisms from fermentation and cellular respiration.

Most sources of CO2 emissions are natural, and are balanced to various degrees by natural CO2 sinks. For example, the natural decay of organic material in forests and grasslands and the action of forest fires results in the release of about 439 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide every year, while new growth entirely counteracts this effect, absorbing 450 gigatonnes per year.[46] Although the initial carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of the young Earth was produced by volcanic activity, modern volcanic activity releases only 130 to 230 megatonnes of carbon dioxide each year,[47] which is less than 1% of the amount released by human activities (at approximately 29 gigatonnes).[48] These natural sources are nearly balanced by natural sinks, physical and biological processes which remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. For example, some is directly removed from the atmosphere by land plants for photosynthesis and it is soluble in water forming carbonic acid. There is a large natural flux of CO2 into and out of the biosphere and oceans.[49] In the pre-industrial era these fluxes were largely in balance. Currently about 57% of human-emitted CO2 is removed by the biosphere and oceans.[50] The ratio of the increase in atmospheric CO2 to emitted CO2 is known as the airborne fraction (Keeling et al., 1995); this varies for short-term averages and is typically about 45% over longer (5 year) periods. Estimated carbon in global terrestrial vegetation increased from approximately 740 billion tons in 1910 to 780 billion tons in 1990.[51]

 

[Kosh]

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

 

[RollingThunder]

/www.globalwarmingclassroom.info/images/6-TempPrecedesCO2_

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

Wrong again, Koshitter. Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation. BTW, your unsourced anonymous graph is a joke.

Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation
Nature
Jeremy D. Shakun, Peter U. Clark, Feng He, Shaun A. Marcott, Alan C. Mix, Zhengyu Liu, Bette Otto-Bliesner, Andreas Schmittner & Edouard Bard
Nature 484, 49–54 (05 April 2012) doi:10.1038/nature10915
Received 16 September 2011 Accepted 01 February 2012 Published online 04 April 2012

Abstract

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

/www.globalwarmingclassroom.info/images/6-TempPrecedesCO2_

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

Wrong again, Koshitter. Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation. BTW, your unsourced anonymous graph is a joke.

Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation
Nature
Jeremy D. Shakun, Peter U. Clark, Feng He, Shaun A. Marcott, Alan C. Mix, Zhengyu Liu, Bette Otto-Bliesner, Andreas Schmittner & Edouard Bard
Nature 484, 49–54 (05 April 2012) doi:10.1038/nature10915
Received 16 September 2011 Accepted 01 February 2012 Published online 04 April 2012

Abstract

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.

Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation.

That's awful!!!

I blame the SUVs.

 

[RollingThunder]

/www.globalwarmingclassroom.info/images/6-TempPrecedesCO2_

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

Wrong again, Koshitter. Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation. BTW, your unsourced anonymous graph is a joke.

Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation
Nature
Jeremy D. Shakun, Peter U. Clark, Feng He, Shaun A. Marcott, Alan C. Mix, Zhengyu Liu, Bette Otto-Bliesner, Andreas Schmittner & Edouard Bard
Nature 484, 49–54 (05 April 2012) doi:10.1038/nature10915
Received 16 September 2011 Accepted 01 February 2012 Published online 04 April 2012

Abstract

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.

Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation.

That's awful!!!

I blame the SUVs.

Only because you're kind of a anti-science retard who refuses to read what the scientists are saying.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong again, Koshitter. Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation. BTW, your unsourced anonymous graph is a joke.

Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation
Nature
Jeremy D. Shakun, Peter U. Clark, Feng He, Shaun A. Marcott, Alan C. Mix, Zhengyu Liu, Bette Otto-Bliesner, Andreas Schmittner & Edouard Bard
Nature 484, 49–54 (05 April 2012) doi:10.1038/nature10915
Received 16 September 2011 Accepted 01 February 2012 Published online 04 April 2012

Abstract

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.

Scientists have found that increases in CO2 preceded and drove the temperature changes at the end of the last period of glaciation.

That's awful!!!

I blame the SUVs.

Only because you're kind of a anti-science retard who refuses to read what the scientists are saying.

It sounds like CO2 increased without SUVs.

Just awful!!

I'd like a mile thick chunk of ice in my back yard.

 

[Kosh]

Let us drive the AGW cult crazy with this one:

Earth's temperature has not risen significantly since 1998 and has cooled by 0.5oC since early 2007. Even the United Nations has quietly admitted this. This is completely contrary to the CO2 caused global warming theory, which states that the earth's temperature should be quickly rising because atmospheric CO2 is rising quickly. The UN and those who support the CO2 warming theory claim that the cooling is just a temporary glitch and earth's temperature will began to rise again in a year or two. However, as explained, a majority of scientists now believe that we are in for a 15 to 35 year cooling cycle that has nothing to do with CO2 and everything to do with solar activity and temperature oscillations of the oceans.

 

[Iceweasel]

More truth to defeat the AGW cult:

Actually, it's just more misinformation and lies from a confused denier cult dupe.

The CO2 emitted into the air from natural sources is balanced by the natural CO2 sinks that absorb CO2 from the air. The only new carbon being added to the atmosphere comes from the fossil fuels that have been buried for millions of years or from the melting permafrost. Mankind is currently adding 37 billion tons of CO2 to the air every year, and this has cumulatively increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% (so far) over pre-industrial levels.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere
Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia? Seriously? Mankind's population has increased since the industrial age so just breathing with increase CO2s. What are the natural "sinks" since man evolved? Chapter and verse please.

 

[Andylusion]

More truth to defeat the AGW cult:

Actually, it's just more misinformation and lies from a confused denier cult dupe.

The CO2 emitted into the air from natural sources is balanced by the natural CO2 sinks that absorb CO2 from the air. The only new carbon being added to the atmosphere comes from the fossil fuels that have been buried for millions of years or from the melting permafrost. Mankind is currently adding 37 billion tons of CO2 to the air every year, and this has cumulatively increased atmospheric CO2 levels by 43% (so far) over pre-industrial levels.

Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere
Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important long-lived trace gas in Earth's atmosphere currently constituting about 0.04% (400 parts per million) of the atmosphere on a molar basis. Despite its relatively small overall concentration, CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas and plays a vital role in regulating Earth's surface temperature through radiative forcing and the greenhouse effect: CO2 absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode).[1]

Carbon dioxide is essential to life on Earth and is an integral part of the carbon cycle, a biogeochemical cycle in which carbon is exchanged between the Earth's oceans, soil, rocks and biosphere. Biologically, plants and other photoautotrophs extract carbon from the atmosphere in the form of carbon dioxide by the process of photosynthesis and use it as an energy source and for the construction of their body parts.

The recent phenomenon of global warming has been attributed primarily to increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations in Earth's atmosphere. The global annual mean concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased markedly since the Industrial Revolution, from 280 ppm to 395 ppm as of 2013,[2] with the increase largely attributed to anthropogenic sources, particularly the burning of fossil fuels.[3] The daily average at Mauna Loa first exceeded 400 ppm on 10 May 2013.[4] It is currently rising at a rate of approximately 2 ppm/year and accelerating.[5][6] An estimated 30–40% of the CO2 released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[7][8] which contributes to ocean acidification. The present concentration of CO2 in Earth's atmosphere is the highest in the past 800,000 years[9] and likely the highest in the past 20 million years.[10]

Atmospheric carbon dioxide plays an integral role in the Earth's carbon cycle whereby carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere by some natural processes and added back to the atmosphere by other natural processes. There are two broad carbon cycles on earth: the fast carbon cycle and the slow carbon cycle. The fast carbon cycle refers to movements of carbon between the environment and living things in the biosphere whereas the slow carbon cycle involves the movement of carbon between the atmosphere, oceans, soil, rocks and volcanism. Both carbon cycles are intrinsically interconnected and atmospheric gaseous carbon dioxide facilitates the carbon cycle.

Natural sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide include volcanic outgassing, the combustion of organic matter, wildfires and the respiration processes of living aerobic organisms. Man-made sources of carbon dioxide include the burning of fossil fuels for heating, power generation and transport, as well as some industrial processes such as cement making. It is also produced by various microorganisms from fermentation and cellular respiration.

Most sources of CO2 emissions are natural, and are balanced to various degrees by natural CO2 sinks. For example, the natural decay of organic material in forests and grasslands and the action of forest fires results in the release of about 439 gigatonnes of carbon dioxide every year, while new growth entirely counteracts this effect, absorbing 450 gigatonnes per year.[46] Although the initial carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of the young Earth was produced by volcanic activity, modern volcanic activity releases only 130 to 230 megatonnes of carbon dioxide each year,[47] which is less than 1% of the amount released by human activities (at approximately 29 gigatonnes).[48] These natural sources are nearly balanced by natural sinks, physical and biological processes which remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. For example, some is directly removed from the atmosphere by land plants for photosynthesis and it is soluble in water forming carbonic acid. There is a large natural flux of CO2 into and out of the biosphere and oceans.[49] In the pre-industrial era these fluxes were largely in balance. Currently about 57% of human-emitted CO2 is removed by the biosphere and oceans.[50] The ratio of the increase in atmospheric CO2 to emitted CO2 is known as the airborne fraction (Keeling et al., 1995); this varies for short-term averages and is typically about 45% over longer (5 year) periods. Estimated carbon in global terrestrial vegetation increased from approximately 740 billion tons in 1910 to 780 billion tons in 1990.[51]

This is assumption, and an assumption we already have evidence against.

You claim that creation and absorbtion of CO2 was 'largely in balance', and yet we have ice core samples that prove conclusively, that CO2 levels had massive varation throughout Earth's history. CO2 level have been lower, and higher historically, than they are today.

Further, it's natural that we would see averages over long time frames. Meaning that it is entirely possible that CO2 levels changed rapidly over short time frames, that our data doesn't show.

So this claim that "CO2 is in balance, and only man made CO2 added" is just not a scientifically supportable claim. At least not with anything given thus far in this thread, or that I have seen elsewhere.

 

[mamooth]

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

And here, poor addled Kosh tells us that the present must behave exactly like the past, even humans have made conditions wildly different in the present.

For example, using the logic of poor addled Kosh, we would declare arson is impossible, because forest fires happened naturally in the past.

Kosh, all you're doing is running down a list of debunked denier talking points you got off of a blog. Yes, it is that obvious. Did you really think we haven't laughed at such nonsense a hundred times before? You're just not capable of anything beyond parroting.

 

[mamooth]

Let us drive the AGW cult crazy with this one:

Why would it bother us that you're using distorted data? It only reflects badly on you.

Kosh, given that you've been reduced to parroting the nonsense of a single kook blog, you really should give them direct credit. Here, I'll help. This is the sole source Kosh relies on.

Global Warming Classroom

 

[Andylusion]

Rather than changes in earth's CO2 causing temperature to change, scientists have actually found that changes in earth's temperatures always precedes changes in CO2 by 400 to a 1000 years -- just the opposite of what global warming proponents would have us believe.

And here, poor addled Kosh tells us that the present must behave exactly like the past, even humans have made conditions wildly different in the present.

For example, using the logic of poor addled Kosh, we would declare arson is impossible, because forest fires happened naturally in the past.

Kosh, all you're doing is running down a list of debunked denier talking points you got off of a blog. Yes, it is that obvious. Did you really think we haven't laughed at such nonsense a hundred times before? You're just not capable of anything beyond parroting.

Strawman.

We can prove conclusively that spreading gas on something, and igniting it, is due to the person doing those actions.

You can not prove that the specific emission of my Grand Marquis, is directly causing an increase in global temperatures.

Man made CO2 is a pathetically small fraction of global CO2 production.

Further, as has been discussed, CO2 levels have been lower and higher in the past. Thus if man made CO2 was the cause of all global warming, then historical evidence presense a dilema. If we were producing nearly as much CO2, then why didn't we have a multi-century heat wave? If we did not, how did CO2 get so high?

There is no consistency to this argument. Either way, it doesn't much up with the left-wing eco-religious dogma.

 

[mamooth]

We can prove conclusively that spreading gas on something, and igniting it, is due to the person doing those actions.

Just as we can prove conclusively how the current CO2 increase is due to humans. That makes my scenario exactly analogous to Kosh's, so pointing out the dumb logic of it also shoots down Kosh's absurd claims.

You can not prove that the specific emission of my Grand Marquis, is directly causing an increase in global temperatures.

Goalpost shifting on your part. The issue was whether CO2 is following or leading now. You tried to change the subject.

Man made CO2 is a pathetically small fraction of global CO2 production.

Failure on your part to understand how an equilibrium system works.

Further, as has been discussed, CO2 levels have been lower and higher in the past. Thus if man made CO2 was the cause of all global warming, then historical evidence presense a dilema. If we were producing nearly as much CO2, then why didn't we have a multi-century heat wave? If we did not, how did CO2 get so high?

Since nobody has ever claimed CO2 was the only climate driver historically, that's another logic failure on your part.

There is no consistency to this argument. Either way, it doesn't much up with the left-wing eco-religious dogma.

And you end it with a political rant, revealing that for you, this is entirely about loyalty to your political cult. Of course, given how awful your arguments were, that was kind of obvious from the start.

 

[orogenicman]

Many members of the AGW cult are also far left Obama drones.

They deserved to be mocked for just being far left much less anything else.

Progressives' childish insistence their fantasies are real would be charming if they weren't fucking up the country.

More truth to defeat the AGW cult:

Of all the carbon emitted into the atmosphere each year, 210 billion tons are from natural sources, and only 6.3 billion tons are from man's activity. Man's burning of fossil fuel, therefore only accounts for 3 percent of total emissions of CO2

I guess you thought you were posting to a conservative forum, where people just nod their heads and don't fact check. Poor you. Neither of those numbers are correct. Try again.

 

[daveman]

Tell me you can't see Rolling Thunder yelling "AGW AKBAR!!!!" and blowing himself up taking "Deniers" with him

Progressives do have a tendency for mindless violence.