The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question OnCensus

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The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census​

The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


Comment:
I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.

 

[fncceo]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Better than HULU...

 

[BULLDOG]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

 

[WillowTree]

A second 4thof July?

 

[fncceo]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

 

[Doc7505]

Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms without the need for names.....

 

[BULLDOG]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

I don't have to. The fact that it is a federal crime is enough.

However,
That lie, if found, can have severe consequences for any immigrant hoping to gain citizenship.
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nol...e-statements-naturalization-applications.html
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Lies or false statements (other than honest mistakes) are taken very seriously by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the authority in charge of reviewing applications for naturalization or U.S. citizenship.

 

[BULLDOG]

Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms without the need for names.....

I don't think Trump has the authority to look at everyone's tax returns. That power was granted to congress, not the president.

 

[fncceo]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

I don't have to. The fact that it is a federal crime is enough.

However,
That lie, if found, can have severe consequences for any immigrant hoping to gain citizenship.
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nol...e-statements-naturalization-applications.html
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Lies or false statements (other than honest mistakes) are taken very seriously by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the authority in charge of reviewing applications for naturalization or U.S. citizenship.

It's illegal to eat fried chicken with anything other than your hands in Gainsville, Georgia. I don't know of many times when that law was successfully prosecuted.

I myself have often flaunted that particular legislation ... but not in the city limits of Gainsville.

 

[BULLDOG]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

I don't have to. The fact that it is a federal crime is enough.

However,
That lie, if found, can have severe consequences for any immigrant hoping to gain citizenship.
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nol...e-statements-naturalization-applications.html
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Lies or false statements (other than honest mistakes) are taken very seriously by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the authority in charge of reviewing applications for naturalization or U.S. citizenship.

It's illegal to eat fried chicken with anything other than your hands in Gainsville, Georgia. I don't know of many times when that law was successfully prosecuted.

I myself have often flaunted that particular legislation ... but not in the city limits of Gainsville.

So how many federal crimes would you say are of no consequence, especially for a person who would otherwise be qualified for citizenship?

 

[fncceo]

What is stopping anyone being questioned by a census taker to answer the citizenship question with a confident, 'Si'?

Surely that is what community leaders will instruct their citizenly-deprived constituents to do.

I believe including the citizenship question on the census is a largely symbolic move.

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

I don't have to. The fact that it is a federal crime is enough.

However,
That lie, if found, can have severe consequences for any immigrant hoping to gain citizenship.
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Lies or false statements (other than honest mistakes) are taken very seriously by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the authority in charge of reviewing applications for naturalization or U.S. citizenship.

It's illegal to eat fried chicken with anything other than your hands in Gainsville, Georgia. I don't know of many times when that law was successfully prosecuted.

I myself have often flaunted that particular legislation ... but not in the city limits of Gainsville.

So how many federal crimes would you say are of no consequence, especially for a person who would otherwise be qualified for citizenship?

You're confusing whether or not legislation is consequential with the reality that it would be very difficult to prosecute a person for violating that statute.

The fact that the statute can be so easily flouted is consequential, just not to the persons who flout it.

My personal belief is, if the question is included in the census, there will be an unbelievably high percentage of persons who answer, 'Yes', to the citizenship question.

The consequence of that will be that many people will use that as 'proof' that there are very few illegals in the states which encourage their illegal residents to flout the law.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's against federal law to lie on a census form. Telling them to lie would be entrapment. Of course the average cop would want his victims to commit some crime. That's what bad cops do.

Can you give me a list of successful prosecutions for lying on a censorship form?

I don't have to. The fact that it is a federal crime is enough.

However,
That lie, if found, can have severe consequences for any immigrant hoping to gain citizenship.
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Denial of Citizenship for Lies or False Statements
Lies or false statements (other than honest mistakes) are taken very seriously by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the authority in charge of reviewing applications for naturalization or U.S. citizenship.

It's illegal to eat fried chicken with anything other than your hands in Gainsville, Georgia. I don't know of many times when that law was successfully prosecuted.

I myself have often flaunted that particular legislation ... but not in the city limits of Gainsville.

So how many federal crimes would you say are of no consequence, especially for a person who would otherwise be qualified for citizenship?

You're confusing whether or not legislation is consequential with the reality that it would be very difficult to prosecute a person for violating that statute.

The fact that the statute can be so easily flouted is consequential, just not to the persons who flout it.

My personal belief is, if the question is included in the census, there will be an unbelievably high percentage of persons who answer, 'Yes', to the citizenship question.

The consequence of that will be that many people will use that as 'proof' that there are very few illegals in the states which encourage their illegal residents to flout the law.

We already have a pretty good idea of how many undocumented people we have here. Lying on that form can have severe consequences, and I'm sure most undocumented people know that. Just because you weren't aware of those consequences doesn't mean others are as ignorant as you.

 

[Jingthing]

I agree with the premise if the criminally corrupt trump regime manages to get this xenophobic racist question put on for his obvious dark reasons, yeah, decent Americans will definitely freak out. The census is for counting all people living in the USA, not only citizens. Getting the question put on will result in a massive undercount. trump knows that and so does his largely white nationalist base.

 

[toobfreak]

The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census

TWO THOUGHTS:

1. You mean the Dims weren't ALREADY in total meltdown?
2. Bravo for AG Barr! GO FOR IT! Nail the dumb bastards to the wall! We need to ASK THE QUESTION!

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree with the premise if the criminally corrupt trump regime manages to get this xenophobic racist question put on for his obvious dark reasons, yeah, decent Americans will definitely freak out. The census is for counting all people living in the USA, not only citizens. Getting the question put on will result in a massive undercount. trump knows that and so does his largely white nationalist base.

Everybody on both sides knows why Trump wants that question.

 

[Doc7505]

Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms without the need for names.....

I don't think Trump has the authority to look at everyone's tax returns. That power was granted to congress, not the president.

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No one will be looking at Tax returns except the IRS people. Optical readers are used for item numbers on the right hand side for exemptions and filing jointly. Names and addresses would be excluded except for city and state. The other method is just to take the Social Security or Medicare information. Anyone that works pay the two.

 

[Doc7505]

I agree with the premise if the criminally corrupt trump regime manages to get this xenophobic racist question put on for his obvious dark reasons, yeah, decent Americans will definitely freak out. The census is for counting all people living in the USA, not only citizens. Getting the question put on will result in a massive undercount. trump knows that and so does his largely white nationalist base.

Everybody on both sides knows why Trump wants that question.

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Tell us all.....

 

[Siete]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/threa...tizenship-question-back-in-the-census.765790/

TRY AND KEEP UP ......

 

[toobfreak]

I agree with the premise if the criminally corrupt trump regime manages to get this xenophobic racist question put on for his obvious dark reasons, yeah, decent Americans will definitely freak out. The census is for counting all people living in the USA, not only citizens. Getting the question put on will result in a massive undercount. trump knows that and so does his largely white nationalist base.

UNORIGINAL DIVISIVE PAP. Do you ever actually have an original idea or are you just a sock puppet plant sent here by the DNC to spew your prefab socialist agenda crap? The census is for counting ALL people and as many times in the past, for knowing how many are actual citizens and who are not. It does not say anything about whether you are a LEGAL or ILLEGAL non-citizen, so those that choose not to answer it do so at their own free choice.

ONLY PEOPLE AGAINST IT ARE FOR WANTING TO HIDE THE NUMBER OF TRUE ILLEGALS IN THIS COUNTRY SO THEY CAN SKEW THE ELECTION.

You know, like you CLAIM Russia tried to do.