The Condemned - Indonesia

[Indofred]

Their crime definitely does not warrant death penalty. Sovereign rights of a nation does not include free license to execute people. Indonesia has right to imprison them but executing them is wrong and is a violation of human rights. Australia would be justified if it chooses to take military action against Indonesia.

When you get onto a plane to Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore, you're given an immigration card that has red writing at the bottom, warning of a possible death penalty for importing drugs.
The pilot also makes the same thing very clear over the PA system.
That leaves the foolish plenty of time to go to the toilet and get rid of their killer cargo before they enter the country.
However, they see quick cash and never spare any thought for the people that are likely to die because of their greed and the families that'll be destroyed by them and their love of easy money.
I have a daughter and I want her go grow in in a country free of moronic drug dealers and the filth they carry.
Because of that, I believe they deserve the bullets and there should be no way out for them once convicted.

A for military action, what a load of rubbish.
Greedy murderers being shot does Australia a favour and Abbott, who is in Indo at the moment, is talking about refugee boats but not a lot in the papers about him wanting Aussie drug dealing murders back.

I want my daughter to grow up in a place where the stupidity of drugs is rare so I say, "fuck 'em".
Let them die for their crimes against humanity.

 

[Indofred]

This thread is about Indonesia violating human rights.

No.
It's about killer drug dealers violating human rights by murdering for profit and Indonesia flushing turds down the toilet.

 

[Indofred]

Aussie boys Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran...on death row in Bali/Indonesia.
All their appeals have failed, and they await execution-shredding by Muslim Indonesia's firing squad..

Aussie drug dealers, not boys, were nabbed with enough drugs to kill a pile of people but your silly post tries to skip over that little fact.
Frankly, I want to live in a place free from drugs and all the death and misery that follows greedy drug dealers who are willing to kill for profit.

Yes - Drugs kill but these people don't care as long as they get the cash.
Basically, fuck them.

Now to your silly, uneducated attempt to blame Muslims.

Bali is majority Hindu, not a slight majority but the vast majority.

The first few seconds of the film shows how much death they were carrying on that day - tough luck if they get shot. They're no different from the Bali bombers who lived in the same prison before they got what they deserved.

21 and 22 yr olds are boys ...anyway, 'boys' can be older than that.

Indonesia is a Muslim country...Indonesia includes the "holiday island' of Bali.
It was Hindu Bali...Hindu Bali, baaah!... that sentenced them to death, and the Supreme court in Jakarta that increased the sentences of others of the Bali9 to death.
It was the Supreme Court in Jakarta that denied their appeals and confirmed their death sentences.
Muslim Jakarta if you like.

The serious sins of Chan and Sukumaran have been well documented.
They should face long prison sentences for their crime.

Drug users die because they knock on the illegal drug dealers' doors, buy from them the illegal drugs, and consume the illegal drugs, knowing full well what the consequences could be...they die by their own hands.

We have basically begged Indonesia for the lives of Chan and Sukumaran.
Muslim Indonesia has basically told us to get f'd.

Ingrates! We give them $500 million of our tax dollars every 52 weeks in aid, and gave them a billion dollars after the tsunami.
Our little kids sold lemonade by the roadside and sent them the proceeds.
Our people sent container loads of furniture, food, clothing, toys etc to them.

Revenge must be taken when Muslim Indonesia drags them from the cells to the execution shredding outdoor death chamber.

Why Muslims?
When Australian murdering drug deals get shot in Singapore, do you tell the world how bad the fucking Buddhists are?
Not really - you just feel the need to dig at Muslims because you're not bright enough to work out, it's the good guys taking out the trash.
Drug dealers are low life scum bags who deal in death for cash.
They have no interest in how many people their greed destroys; just getting the cash.

As for Australia giving money to Indonesia - we just saved you $ millions because you won't have to keep your own scum in prisons.
You should thank Indonesia for getting rid of them.

Tell me; did you complain when Muslim Indonesia shot the Bali bombers for killing Australians or was that deserved but killer Australian drug dealers killing Australians is okay?

 

[Noomi]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

 

[bianco]

Their crime definitely does not warrant death penalty. Sovereign rights of a nation does not include free license to execute people. Indonesia has right to imprison them but executing them is wrong and is a violation of human rights. Australia would be justified if it chooses to take military action against Indonesia.

When you get onto a plane to Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand or Singapore, you're given an immigration card that has red writing at the bottom, warning of a possible death penalty for importing drugs.
The pilot also makes the same thing very clear over the PA system.
That leaves the foolish plenty of time to go to the toilet and get rid of their killer cargo before they enter the country.
However, they see quick cash and never spare any thought for the people that are likely to die because of their greed and the families that'll be destroyed by them and their love of easy money.
I have a daughter and I want her go grow in in a country free of moronic drug dealers and the filth they carry.
Because of that, I believe they deserve the bullets and there should be no way out for them once convicted.

A for military action, what a load of rubbish.
Greedy murderers being shot does Australia a favour and Abbott, who is in Indo at the moment, is talking about refugee boats but not a lot in the papers about him wanting Aussie drug dealing murders back.

I want my daughter to grow up in a place where the stupidity of drugs is rare so I say, "fuck 'em".
Let them die for their crimes against humanity.

And if your daughter were one of them?
...for whatever reason/s.

 

[bianco]

Why Muslims?
When Australian murdering drug deals get shot in Singapore, do you tell the world how bad the fucking Buddhists are?
Not really - you just feel the need to dig at Muslims because you're not bright enough to work out, it's the good guys taking out the trash.
Drug dealers are low life scum bags who deal in death for cash.
They have no interest in how many people their greed destroys; just getting the cash.

As for Australia giving money to Indonesia - we just saved you $ millions because you won't have to keep your own scum in prisons.
You should thank Indonesia for getting rid of them.

Tell me; did you complain when Muslim Indonesia shot the Bali bombers for killing Australians or was that deserved but killer Australian drug dealers killing Australians is okay?

I did complain when the Bali bombers where execution-shredded.

Singapore ...it got paid back for the horror it inflicted on Aussie Nguyen, his family and friends.
When Singapore Inc came down here recently and wanted to buy the Australian Stock Exchange, the govt basically told them to get lost.
They were shocked...I cheered.

Why Muslims?...because they are the ones who have Aussie kids on death row.
Australia could always have public execution-feeding to crocodiles of Indonesian criminals in Australia, Friday lunch time in the Sydney CBD...but we're civilised.
Should build cage prisons like Gitmo, in the desert, and toss the Indonesian criminals in them for "40 Years!"

Thank Indonesia for anything?
No!
They're at it again today...just saw them on my tv news bellyaching about how they don't accept Tony Abbott's 'turn back the people-smuggling boats' policy.

The news said that Tony Abbott is likely to get a hostile reception 'beind closed doors'.

LOL

They might be in for a rude shock if they start being even more nasty than they usually are.
Tony the White, married, Christian, male might just dish out some 'hostile reception' of his own, right back at them!.

 

[Indofred]

I stick to my guns on this one.
I don't miss all the drug related crime in the UK and I don't want it here.

I have to be honest and ask why anyone would wants bastards like them alive.
After all, these are killers for profit, useless to a civilised world and harmful to everyone their greed touches.

I wonder how many Australians really give a flying shit about these idiots. I'll bet most are glad they aren't Australia's problem and don't care if they get executed.

My final and unmovable opinion - Fuck them; they deserve to die.

 

[Indofred]

Whilst some of the more foolish posters are trying to make these greedy bastards out as some sort of victims, let's just have a look at what their evil trade really is.

These dealers in death don't give a shit about the human rights of the people they kill or the families they destroy.

Babies, born addicted to smack because people such as the killers, due to be cleaned off the earth, sold drugs to pregnant women.

We aren't talking about choir boys who stole the church collection; we're talking about killers.
Pure and simple - fuck them.

 

[Indofred]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

 

[bianco]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

Both must shoulder the blame.


Indonesia happily sentences the children of others to death, and execution-shreds them.
But screams 'blue murder' when anyone else does the same thing to any of their children, the President himself even writes letters to the other nations.

RI tries to spare Wilfrida?s life | The Jakarta Post

RI tries to spare Wilfrida’s life

The government and NGOs have stepped up efforts to persuade the Malaysian authorities to spare the life of 20-year-old Indonesian migrant worker Wilfrida Soik as a Malaysian court is due to announce its verdict on her on Monday.

Manpower and Transmigration Minister Muhamimin Iskandar flew to Malaysia on Friday on a mission to save Wilfrida, who has been charged with killing her Malaysian employer, Yeap Seok Pen, 60, who had Parkinson’s disease, in 2010.

Kota Baru High Court in Johor is expected to hand down its verdict on Wilfrida in a hearing on Monday. She is accused of murdering Yeap, in what activists and rights campaigners say was an act of self defense after being tortured by her employer.

 

[bianco]

Tony Abbott welcomed to Indonesia by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono | News.com.au


Mr Abbott said Indonesia was Australia’s largest and most important neighbor as he announced Melbourne will be the home to a new Australian Centre for Indonesia Studies to deepen links between the two countries.

The Centre’s headquarters will be at Monash University, with nodes at the Australian National University and the University of Melbourne. The CSIRO and the Victorian Government will be partners.

Earlier Mr Abbott visited the Kalibata Heroes military cemetery in Jakarta to lay a wreath.

Mr Abbott said choosing to make his first trip to Indonesia showed that he believed in many respects it was Australia’s most important relationship.

Mr Abbott and Dr Yudhoyono and senior ministers were meeting for talks which are expected to cover a range of issues including asylum seekers, education, trade, investment, live cattle exports and a request for Indonesia not to carry out the death penalty on two members of the Bali 9 convicted for drug smuggling. ]/i]

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Well there you go.

The ball is in Indonesia's court now.
It must decide just which road it wants to travel down...the good road, or the bad road.
If it chooses the bad road...it will likely see itself crossed off Australia's Christmas card list, and the phone cut off.

 

[Indofred]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

Both must shoulder the blame.


Indonesia happily sentences the children of others to death, and execution-shreds them.
But screams 'blue murder' when anyone else does the same thing to any of their children, the President himself even writes letters to the other nations.

RI tries to spare Wilfrida?s life | The Jakarta Post

RI tries to spare Wilfrida’s life

The government and NGOs have stepped up efforts to persuade the Malaysian authorities to spare the life of 20-year-old Indonesian migrant worker Wilfrida Soik as a Malaysian court is due to announce its verdict on her on Monday.

Manpower and Transmigration Minister Muhamimin Iskandar flew to Malaysia on Friday on a mission to save Wilfrida, who has been charged with killing her Malaysian employer, Yeap Seok Pen, 60, who had Parkinson’s disease, in 2010.

Kota Baru High Court in Johor is expected to hand down its verdict on Wilfrida in a hearing on Monday. She is accused of murdering Yeap, in what activists and rights campaigners say was an act of self defense after being tortured by her employer.

Chalk and cheese.
You're trying to compare an abused woman who killed her abuser with drug dealers who kill for cash.
Hardly worth the time to argue with you as your weak attempt is so piss poor.

 

[Noomi]

I stick to my guns on this one.
I don't miss all the drug related crime in the UK and I don't want it here.

I have to be honest and ask why anyone would wants bastards like them alive.
After all, these are killers for profit, useless to a civilised world and harmful to everyone their greed touches.

I wonder how many Australians really give a flying shit about these idiots. I'll bet most are glad they aren't Australia's problem and don't care if they get executed.

My final and unmovable opinion - Fuck them; they deserve to die.

Except when they were set up to take the fall for someone else, like Corby was.

 

[Noomi]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

The dealer doesn't put a gun to their heads and force them to take drugs, do they?

Would you blame the casino for a gambling addict losing their life savings?

 

[Indofred]

^drug dealers don't kill anyone. The addict chooses to take drugs, and are therefore responsible for their own deaths.

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

The dealer doesn't put a gun to their heads and force them to take drugs, do they?

Would you blame the casino for a gambling addict losing their life savings?

Yes.
If I had sex with a willing but mentally retarded woman and made her preggers or gave her unusual and interesting diseases; it would be my fault for taking advantage of her inability to make an informed choice.
Drug addicts are just weak minded idiots, thus victims.

 

[bianco]

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

Both must shoulder the blame.


Indonesia happily sentences the children of others to death, and execution-shreds them.
But screams 'blue murder' when anyone else does the same thing to any of their children, the President himself even writes letters to the other nations.

RI tries to spare Wilfrida?s life | The Jakarta Post

RI tries to spare Wilfrida’s life

The government and NGOs have stepped up efforts to persuade the Malaysian authorities to spare the life of 20-year-old Indonesian migrant worker Wilfrida Soik as a Malaysian court is due to announce its verdict on her on Monday.

Manpower and Transmigration Minister Muhamimin Iskandar flew to Malaysia on Friday on a mission to save Wilfrida, who has been charged with killing her Malaysian employer, Yeap Seok Pen, 60, who had Parkinson’s disease, in 2010.

Kota Baru High Court in Johor is expected to hand down its verdict on Wilfrida in a hearing on Monday. She is accused of murdering Yeap, in what activists and rights campaigners say was an act of self defense after being tortured by her employer.

Chalk and cheese.
You're trying to compare an abused woman who killed her abuser with drug dealers who kill for cash.
Hardly worth the time to argue with you as your weak attempt is so piss poor.

The Death Penalty in Malaysia

What are the nationalities of the known foreign nationals on death row? As of November 2011, there are at least some Filipinos, three Mexicans, one Liberian, four Iranians, one Zambian, twelve Indonesians, two Thais, one Singaporean, and one Indian, among possibly other nationalities, under sentence of death in Malaysia. [11] Other recent reports stated that an additional two Iranians [12] and one Japanese woman [13] were also sentenced to death. A Chinese national was sentenced to death for murder in December 2012. [14]

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http://www.news.com.au/national-new...double-standard/story-fncynjr2-1226636294301

Indonesia's death-row double standard


INDONESIA is aggressively pushing for its own people to be spared the death penalty in other countries, as it prepares to execute two Australian drug smugglers.
An Indonesian taskforce has successfully fought for the lives of more than 60 of its citizens sentenced to death overseas, while the nation holds about 100 people on death row in its own jails.

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No Harvard degree needed for this one either.



If Indonesia believes it can execution-homicide Chan [now a Christian, having been mentored by the Salvation Army] and Sukumaran and it will be business as usual with Australia...then it has another thinK coming!
Someone should explain it to it/them...'cause they sure don't seem to understand.

 

[Noomi]

I used to see addicts as guilty of the crimes of the dealers but I've softened up on that one.
I now see them as weak minded morons who are victims of the dealers.

The dealer doesn't put a gun to their heads and force them to take drugs, do they?

Would you blame the casino for a gambling addict losing their life savings?

Yes.
If I had sex with a willing but mentally retarded woman and made her preggers or gave her unusual and interesting diseases; it would be my fault for taking advantage of her inability to make an informed choice.
Drug addicts are just weak minded idiots, thus victims.

So you don't blame the person for the choices they made, but those who had nothing to do with their choices?

That's a bit rich.

 

[Noomi]

Indonesia's death-row double standard | News.com.au

Indonesia's death-row double standard


INDONESIA is aggressively pushing for its own people to be spared the death penalty in other countries, as it prepares to execute two Australian drug smugglers.
An Indonesian taskforce has successfully fought for the lives of more than 60 of its citizens sentenced to death overseas, while the nation holds about 100 people on death row in its own jails.

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No Harvard degree needed for this one either.



If Indonesia believes it can execution-homicide Chan [now a Christian, having been mentored by the Salvation Army] and Sukumaran and it will be business as usual with Australia...then it has another thinK coming!
Someone should explain it to it/them...'cause they sure don't seem to understand.

They are a pack of barbaric savages.

 

[Indofred]

So you don't blame the person for the choices they made, but those who had nothing to do with their choices?

That's a bit rich.

I used to do but I've since concluded, the drug uses are mindless cretins, incapable of reasonable thought, thus too stupid to be blamed.

I propose enforced cold turkey for any all all drug uses, with a community work program when they've cleaned up but death for anyone arrested with a dealer quantity of ANY illegal drug.
Yes, even weed.

However, I would allow weed to be prescribed by a doctor for medical conditions it has a positive effect on.

 

[Indofred]

Indonesia's death-row double standard | News.com.au

Indonesia's death-row double standard


INDONESIA is aggressively pushing for its own people to be spared the death penalty in other countries, as it prepares to execute two Australian drug smugglers.
An Indonesian taskforce has successfully fought for the lives of more than 60 of its citizens sentenced to death overseas, while the nation holds about 100 people on death row in its own jails.

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No Harvard degree needed for this one either.



If Indonesia believes it can execution-homicide Chan [now a Christian, having been mentored by the Salvation Army] and Sukumaran and it will be business as usual with Australia...then it has another thinK coming!
Someone should explain it to it/them...'cause they sure don't seem to understand.

They are a pack of barbaric savages.

I've lived in Indonesia for a long time and I feel I must take issue with that silly statement.
Perhaps you can detail your experience and how you came to that conclusion.
Thanks in advance.