The Condemned - Indonesia

[Indofred]

Wonderful place to be?

Heidi Murphy killed for less than $500 - police | News.com.au

AUSTRALIAN woman Heidi Murphy was viciously stabbed to death in Bali for the sake of less than $500 which her alleged killer used to buy engagement rings for his girlfriend and himself.

Police believe she died about midnight the day before and that she had been stabbed 16 times with a kitchen knife which Rosi had brought with him to the scene and later dumped in the river, along with his bloody clothes.

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Her killer sentenced to death?
Of course not.

That's seriously warped - he only got 15 years

Man gets 15 years' jail for killing Heidi Murphy - World - smh.com.au

Warped?

Murders always are but why is $500 a problem.
That's likely to be 10 months salary for the murderer.

Edit

Read the report. I would have to agree, this murder from so many years ago did require a longer prison term.
Much as he didn't intend to kill her, he's clearly a nasty bastard.
I did suggest the 500 was about 10 months salary but I notice the father is a farmer.
That means he probably earns about $20/month so about 25 months to get that cash.

 

[Indofred]

Wonderful place to be?

Heidi Murphy killed for less than $500 - police | News.com.au

AUSTRALIAN woman Heidi Murphy was viciously stabbed to death in Bali for the sake of less than $500 which her alleged killer used to buy engagement rings for his girlfriend and himself.

Police believe she died about midnight the day before and that she had been stabbed 16 times with a kitchen knife which Rosi had brought with him to the scene and later dumped in the river, along with his bloody clothes.

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Her killer sentenced to death?
Of course not.

That's seriously warped - he only got 15 years

Man gets 15 years' jail for killing Heidi Murphy - World - smh.com.au

He was convicted of what would legally be manslaughter in America.
Involuntary Manslaughter Penalties and Sentencing - FindLaw

Try again on the moaning about 15 years.

 

[bianco]

So what if he's a Christian?

What difference does that make? Is his life more valuable than a non-Christian?

I don't agree with sentence but - it's their country, he knew the law, and heroin is serious shit.

It was magic heroin, obviously flew in all the windows of the different sites...for they all were under surveillance by the Indon cops from the moment their plane landed, having been tipped off by the AFP [Aussie Fed Cops...against their charter, the cops stand condemned!]...........and no Indon cops saw a thing LOL.
Any people dropping off the heroin arrested?
No.
Any Mr Bigs from the Crescent Mooon drug crime syndicate arrested?
No.

Hang on a mo.....
The Australian police tipped off the Indo police.
I want Australian military action against the Australian police.

AFP lost a lot of respect and support after they dobbed in the Bali9 kids to Indonesia, knowing they could face the death penalty.

 

[bianco]

Wonderful place to be?

Heidi Murphy killed for less than $500 - police | News.com.au

AUSTRALIAN woman Heidi Murphy was viciously stabbed to death in Bali for the sake of less than $500 which her alleged killer used to buy engagement rings for his girlfriend and himself.

Police believe she died about midnight the day before and that she had been stabbed 16 times with a kitchen knife which Rosi had brought with him to the scene and later dumped in the river, along with his bloody clothes.

#####

Her killer sentenced to death?
Of course not.

That's seriously warped - he only got 15 years

Man gets 15 years' jail for killing Heidi Murphy - World - smh.com.au

He was convicted of what would legally be manslaughter in America.
Involuntary Manslaughter Penalties and Sentencing - FindLaw

Try again on the moaning about 15 years.

Indonesia is a giant joke...it sentences drug smugglers to death...the only way the drugs can kill anyone is if the users buy the drugs and consume them.
Heidi Murphy didn't stab herself to death, she was hacked up by the Indonesian man who only got 15 years.

Did the Indonesian Muslim men who grabbed the three Christian schoolgirls and hacked off their heads get the death penalty?
Of course not, 14 years for them [the leader got 20 years].
Another joke.

 

[Indofred]

It was magic heroin, obviously flew in all the windows of the different sites...for they all were under surveillance by the Indon cops from the moment their plane landed, having been tipped off by the AFP [Aussie Fed Cops...against their charter, the cops stand condemned!]...........and no Indon cops saw a thing LOL.
Any people dropping off the heroin arrested?
No.
Any Mr Bigs from the Crescent Mooon drug crime syndicate arrested?
No.

Hang on a mo.....
The Australian police tipped off the Indo police.
I want Australian military action against the Australian police.

AFP lost a lot of respect and support after they dobbed in the Bali9 kids to Indonesia, knowing they could face the death penalty.

But the Australian police started this off.
If they hadn't tipped off the Hindu police in Bali, this situation wouldn't have happened.
Will you call for Australian military action against the Australian police?

 

[Indofred]

That's seriously warped - he only got 15 years

Man gets 15 years' jail for killing Heidi Murphy - World - smh.com.au

He was convicted of what would legally be manslaughter in America.
Involuntary Manslaughter Penalties and Sentencing - FindLaw

Try again on the moaning about 15 years.

Indonesia is a giant joke...it sentences drug smugglers to death...the only way the drugs can kill anyone is if the users buy the drugs and consume them.
Heidi Murphy didn't stab herself to death, she was hacked up by the Indonesian man who only got 15 years.

Did the Indonesian Muslim men who grabbed the three Christian schoolgirls and hacked off their heads get the death penalty?
Of course not, 14 years for them [the leader got 20 years].
Another joke.

I believe all of the above should have been executed along with the Bali bombers and all drug dealers.
However, the sentence for the burglar who killed the Australian woman was greater than Australian law allows for manslaughter.

AussieLegal - Free Australian legal information, useful DIY legal kits and recommended law firm referral service

Australian law and maximum sentences.

https://sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.a.../sentencing-information/law/maximum-penalties

Level 2: Maximum term – 25 years
Rape
Sexual penetration of a child under 12 years
Armed Robbery
Aggravated Burglary
Arson causing death

Level 3: Maximum term – 20 years
Manslaughter
Intentionally causing serious injury
Culpable driving causing death

Level 4: Maximum term – 15 years
Recklessly causing serious injury
Handling stolen goods
Trafficking in a drug of dependence (not a commercial quantity)
Arson

But wait, what's this?

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/4/7/8/{47854E7C-585B-4DBF-99FB-CB39A3CC152A}ti20.pdf

Murderers Serve an
Average of Over Ten Years
in Prison Followed By Long
Periods Under Community
Supervision
The longest times served are for the
violent offences and for trafficking or
manufacturing illegal drugs. The
average time served for homicide,
which includes the various degrees of
manslaughter as well as murder, is
three years. This will normally be
followed by a period of parole
supervision which may last for the rest
of the offender's life, so it is rarely
true to say that `three years is all they
got'. Convicted murderers appear to
serve on average between ten and
twelve years in prison prior to parole
or licence supervision.

Australian prisons keep people inside for far shorter times than this bloke got.
Why are you moaning about Indonesia letting this bugger off when he would have got less for doing it in Australia?

I call for Australian military action against Australian prisons.

 

[Indofred]

As we see in this video, Bali is extremely dangerous and Australians hate it to the point they all want air strikes, shock and awe and other stuff.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDjj9BMF1Xo]Ubud Dance Walk: Bali, Indonesia - YouTube[/ame]

 

[irosie91]

As we see in this video, Bali is extremely dangerous and Australians hate it to the point they all want air strikes, shock and awe and other stuff.

Ubud Dance Walk: Bali, Indonesia - YouTube

Why would BALI be dangerous----it is overwhelmingly HINDU------the issue for
Australians were the deaths of Australians visiting there as a result of barbaric
islamic terrorism which ---largely targets tourists visiting hindu owned places of
enterainment. In fact MUMBAI is not particularly dangerous either-----except
for occassional islamic terrorism

 

[bianco]

Bali is a dangerous place for Australians...one dies there every 9 days...others are maimed for life.

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

How one Aussie tourist dies every nine days on paradise island of Bali

IT'S among the nation's most popular overseas holiday destinations - but the island paradise of Bali has a more sinister side.

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http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2012/08/31/437572_gold-coast-news.html

Five-year-old boy's tattoo nightmare


IT was supposed to be a harmless holiday souvenir but a temporary tattoo could leave little Jess Errington with permanent health problems.

The five-year-old was enjoying a winter escape in Bali with his parents this month and begged to be allowed to have two henna dragon tattoos.

His "ink" had almost faded by the time he returned to school this week but in its place are 2mm raised, dragon-shaped welts.

His horrified parents, Paul Errington and Kirsty Dutton, have since discovered local artists had added a toxic chemical, para-phenylenediamine (PPD), to the usual vegetable dye mix to darken the tattoo.

 

[Indofred]

Bali is a dangerous place for Australians...one dies there every 9 days...others are maimed for life.

No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au

How one Aussie tourist dies every nine days on paradise island of Bali

IT'S among the nation's most popular overseas holiday destinations - but the island paradise of Bali has a more sinister side.

Consular officials say alcohol and drugs fuel many of the accidents, while nightclub fights are among the biggest causes of trouble for thousands of Aussies who fly to the tropical island every year.

What, pray explain, is sinister about drunks getting themselves into trouble?
Your attempt to make Bali look bad simply helps explain a little about the sort of idiots Australia exports to the island.

 

[Indofred]

As we see in this video, Bali is extremely dangerous and Australians hate it to the point they all want air strikes, shock and awe and other stuff.

Ubud Dance Walk: Bali, Indonesia - YouTube

Why would BALI be dangerous----it is overwhelmingly HINDU------the issue for
Australians were the deaths of Australians visiting there as a result of barbaric
islamic terrorism which ---largely targets tourists visiting hindu owned places of
enterainment. In fact MUMBAI is not particularly dangerous either-----except
for occassional islamic terrorism

According to the link, the vast majority of Australians who die on Bali are victims of their own stupidity.
However, it's impossible to deny, four Muslims out of the around 203 million Muslims in Indonesia did murder a lot of tourists ten years ago.

Now, back to Bali and Australians.

My Bali Guide

Apart from the need for the Australian military to invade Thailand, it turns out Bali is the safest place for Australians to visit.
The vast majority of Australian deaths on Bali are caused by drunken Australians who kill themselves whilst riding motorbikes after a skin full of booze.
Seems most of the rest are killed by drug dealers such as the ones who are about to meet their doom.
WHAT?
The poor Australian drug dealers were killing Australians on Bali.
WOW - Perhaps the Australian military should invade Australia in an attempt to get the murderers of so many Australians.

In 2012 more than 797,000 Australians visited Bali and during that period there were 39 reported deaths on the island, so the news report was technically correct that one Australia dies in Bali every 9 days (9.35 days to be precise). But more importantly statistically, that works out to be one in every 20,435 Australian visitors to Bali who died on the island. Now I’m sure everyone would agree that just one death is a tragedy but when clinically looking at “statistics” a 1 in 20,000+ chance of dying while holidaying in Bali pales into insignificance when compared to other Top 10 Aussie Holiday Destinations. Indeed when looking at tourist numbers statistically (and on a per capita basis per number of visitors) Bali comes out number one as the “Safest Place To Visit” by Australians.

For example, in shear numbers of reported deaths Bali is one of the safest top 10 destinations for Aussies (at #8 on the list). Thailand is by far the worst at #1 with 111 Aussie deaths in 2012. Yep its true one Australian dies in Thailand every three days on average, now that’s almost 3 times the Aussie/Bali death rate, but I don’t see Aussie reporters and film crew in Bangkok drumming up a similar story, or on the streets of Manilla in the Philippines where 68 Aussies last year met their fate.

Indeed, on a per capita basis Greece has the worst statistic as a place for Australians to visit with some 60 deaths recorded against the 98,000 Australians who visited the country last year, a statistical chance of around 1 in 1600 of meeting your maker in Greece. Now that “statistic” would surely make a headline….no not in Australia it doesn’t!

Anyway, you just can't get past numbers, an Australian dies ever 9 days on Bali.
Of course, if they stay at home to get drunk, 4 die every week.

I call for Australian military action against Australian bars in Australia.

TheVine - You?ll Be OK in Bali - Life & pop culture, untangled

At home, every week 70 Australians under 25 are hospitalised due to alcohol-related assault, with an average of four under 25s dying due to alcohol-related injuries.

Tell me, are these nasty Muslims the cause of these deaths as well?

 

[bianco]

Muslims blew up Bali, twice, killed Aussie tourists.
Muslims blew up Jakarta, killed Aussies.

Bali/Indonesia are dangerous for Australians.
Some die at the hands of the locals, others are maimed for life.
They've been told many times not to set foot in Bali/Indonesia, but they refuse to listen.

Perth teen dies from methanol-laced cocktail

Perth teen dies from methanol-laced cocktail

The Perth teenager who was poisoned after drinking a methanol-laced cocktail in Indonesia has died.

 

[irosie91]

As we see in this video, Bali is extremely dangerous and Australians hate it to the point they all want air strikes, shock and awe and other stuff.

Ubud Dance Walk: Bali, Indonesia - YouTube

Why would BALI be dangerous----it is overwhelmingly HINDU------the issue for
Australians were the deaths of Australians visiting there as a result of barbaric
islamic terrorism which ---largely targets tourists visiting hindu owned places of
enterainment. In fact MUMBAI is not particularly dangerous either-----except
for occassional islamic terrorism

According to the link, the vast majority of Australians who die on Bali are victims of their own stupidity.
However, it's impossible to deny, four Muslims out of the around 203 million Muslims in Indonesia did murder a lot of tourists ten years ago.

Now, back to Bali and Australians.

My Bali Guide

Apart from the need for the Australian military to invade Thailand, it turns out Bali is the safest place for Australians to visit.
The vast majority of Australian deaths on Bali are caused by drunken Australians who kill themselves whilst riding motorbikes after a skin full of booze.
Seems most of the rest are killed by drug dealers such as the ones who are about to meet their doom.
WHAT?
The poor Australian drug dealers were killing Australians on Bali.
WOW - Perhaps the Australian military should invade Australia in an attempt to get the murderers of so many Australians.

In 2012 more than 797,000 Australians visited Bali and during that period there were 39 reported deaths on the island, so the news report was technically correct that one Australia dies in Bali every 9 days (9.35 days to be precise). But more importantly statistically, that works out to be one in every 20,435 Australian visitors to Bali who died on the island. Now I’m sure everyone would agree that just one death is a tragedy but when clinically looking at “statistics” a 1 in 20,000+ chance of dying while holidaying in Bali pales into insignificance when compared to other Top 10 Aussie Holiday Destinations. Indeed when looking at tourist numbers statistically (and on a per capita basis per number of visitors) Bali comes out number one as the “Safest Place To Visit” by Australians.

For example, in shear numbers of reported deaths Bali is one of the safest top 10 destinations for Aussies (at #8 on the list). Thailand is by far the worst at #1 with 111 Aussie deaths in 2012. Yep its true one Australian dies in Thailand every three days on average, now that’s almost 3 times the Aussie/Bali death rate, but I don’t see Aussie reporters and film crew in Bangkok drumming up a similar story, or on the streets of Manilla in the Philippines where 68 Aussies last year met their fate.

Indeed, on a per capita basis Greece has the worst statistic as a place for Australians to visit with some 60 deaths recorded against the 98,000 Australians who visited the country last year, a statistical chance of around 1 in 1600 of meeting your maker in Greece. Now that “statistic” would surely make a headline….no not in Australia it doesn’t!

Anyway, you just can't get past numbers, an Australian dies ever 9 days on Bali.
Of course, if they stay at home to get drunk, 4 die every week.

I call for Australian military action against Australian bars in Australia.

TheVine - You?ll Be OK in Bali - Life & pop culture, untangled

At home, every week 70 Australians under 25 are hospitalised due to alcohol-related assault, with an average of four under 25s dying due to alcohol-related injuries.

Tell me, are these nasty Muslims the cause of these deaths as well?

your sophistry in defense of the vile depravity of islamo nazi pig MURDER IN THE NAME
OF ALLAH----is nauseating. Meccaist pigs do not get a free pals for MASS MURDER IN THE NAME OF THEIR SICK IDEOLOGY ----because some Australians drink alcohol-----but
I am not surprised that a meccaist would come up with such a level of stink. There are
many reasons that people die in different places----I am delighted that you believe that if
some muslims lived in an area afflicted with a high prevalences of a sickness like "MALARIA
or TUBERCULOSIS or one of the shit borne sicknesses like CHOLERA-----it would be ok
to murder a few dozen and giggle------"the cholera kills more---don't shit in your water"

you are repulsive

 

[Indofred]

Muslims blew up Bali, twice, killed Aussie tourists.
Muslims blew up Jakarta, killed Aussies.

Bali/Indonesia are dangerous for Australians.
Some die at the hands of the locals, others are maimed for life.
They've been told many times not to set foot in Bali/Indonesia, but they refuse to listen.

Perth teen dies from methanol-laced cocktail

Perth teen dies from methanol-laced cocktail

The Perth teenager who was poisoned after drinking a methanol-laced cocktail in Indonesia has died.

All that rant about Muslims in Hindu Bali and all you can find to back it up is a story about an Australian who was trying to save cash by buying street booze, very probably from a Hindu.
I wonder if you realise how stupid that makes you look.

 

[Vikrant]

As far as the morality is concerned, Australia would be well within its right to take action against Indonesia to rescue its citizens. However, it seems like Australia does not have wherewithal to take action against Indonesia unless other commonwealth countries help it out. One thing I am absolutely sure is that it would be wrong for Aussies to engage in racism against innocent Indonesians who live in Australia to makeup for their military impotence.

 

[bianco]

In my whole life I've seen two Indonesian families in Australia.

mrs bianco works with an Indonesian non-Muslim woman immigrant.

IMO there will be expletive-laden racist hate spewed forth at Indonesia on execution-shredding day as they drag the two Aussie boys off to the outdoor death chamber for extermination.

That's about all The People can do in outrage.
And take legal revenge in the future as the chances arise.

Australian polticians will also get verbally abused for allowing it all without "violent" protest, and for being a doormat for Indonesia.

I can see it now...the tv cameras rolling as death time approaches and Sukumaran's mother and her children are sobbing uncontrolably as they slump to the ground in complete horror...it all then shown on the 6 o'clock news.

Revenge must then be taken on Indonesian criminals in Australian jails...with new cage cells being built in the desert outback, Gitmo style...and life and 40 year sentences handed out like candy.

 

[bianco]

He was convicted of what would legally be manslaughter in America.
Involuntary Manslaughter Penalties and Sentencing - FindLaw

Try again on the moaning about 15 years.

Indonesia is a giant joke...it sentences drug smugglers to death...the only way the drugs can kill anyone is if the users buy the drugs and consume them.
Heidi Murphy didn't stab herself to death, she was hacked up by the Indonesian man who only got 15 years.

Did the Indonesian Muslim men who grabbed the three Christian schoolgirls and hacked off their heads get the death penalty?
Of course not, 14 years for them [the leader got 20 years].
Another joke.

I believe all of the above should have been executed along with the Bali bombers and all drug dealers.
However, the sentence for the burglar who killed the Australian woman was greater than Australian law allows for manslaughter.

AussieLegal - Free Australian legal information, useful DIY legal kits and recommended law firm referral service

Australian law and maximum sentences.

https://sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.a.../sentencing-information/law/maximum-penalties

Level 2: Maximum term – 25 years
Rape
Sexual penetration of a child under 12 years
Armed Robbery
Aggravated Burglary
Arson causing death

Level 3: Maximum term – 20 years
Manslaughter
Intentionally causing serious injury
Culpable driving causing death

Level 4: Maximum term – 15 years
Recklessly causing serious injury
Handling stolen goods
Trafficking in a drug of dependence (not a commercial quantity)
Arson

But wait, what's this?

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/4/7/8/{47854E7C-585B-4DBF-99FB-CB39A3CC152A}ti20.pdf

Murderers Serve an
Average of Over Ten Years
in Prison Followed By Long
Periods Under Community
Supervision
The longest times served are for the
violent offences and for trafficking or
manufacturing illegal drugs. The
average time served for homicide,
which includes the various degrees of
manslaughter as well as murder, is
three years. This will normally be
followed by a period of parole
supervision which may last for the rest
of the offender's life, so it is rarely
true to say that `three years is all they
got'. Convicted murderers appear to
serve on average between ten and
twelve years in prison prior to parole
or licence supervision.

Australian prisons keep people inside for far shorter times than this bloke got.
Why are you moaning about Indonesia letting this bugger off when he would have got less for doing it in Australia?

Because Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation on earth, has two Aussie drug smugglers on death row.

IMO, actually hacking a woman to death, stabbing her 16 times...and hacking the heads off schoolgirls is worse than drug smuggling.

 

[Indofred]

As far as the morality is concerned, Australia would be well within its right to take action against Indonesia to rescue its citizens. However, it seems like Australia does not have wherewithal to take action against Indonesia unless other commonwealth countries help it out. One thing I am absolutely sure is that it would be wrong for Aussies to engage in racism against innocent Indonesians who live in Australia to makeup for their military impotence.

A bunch of Australian murderers make money from death in Indonesia and you want military action.
Mad as a spoon.

Dude, the Australian police started the ball rolling on this one and the killers did this to themselves.

Try to wake up one morning.

 

[Indofred]

Indonesia is a giant joke...it sentences drug smugglers to death...the only way the drugs can kill anyone is if the users buy the drugs and consume them.
Heidi Murphy didn't stab herself to death, she was hacked up by the Indonesian man who only got 15 years.

Did the Indonesian Muslim men who grabbed the three Christian schoolgirls and hacked off their heads get the death penalty?
Of course not, 14 years for them [the leader got 20 years].
Another joke.

I believe all of the above should have been executed along with the Bali bombers and all drug dealers.
However, the sentence for the burglar who killed the Australian woman was greater than Australian law allows for manslaughter.

AussieLegal - Free Australian legal information, useful DIY legal kits and recommended law firm referral service

Australian law and maximum sentences.

https://sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.a.../sentencing-information/law/maximum-penalties



But wait, what's this?

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/4/7/8/{47854E7C-585B-4DBF-99FB-CB39A3CC152A}ti20.pdf

Murderers Serve an
Average of Over Ten Years
in Prison Followed By Long
Periods Under Community
Supervision
The longest times served are for the
violent offences and for trafficking or
manufacturing illegal drugs. The
average time served for homicide,
which includes the various degrees of
manslaughter as well as murder, is
three years. This will normally be
followed by a period of parole
supervision which may last for the rest
of the offender's life, so it is rarely
true to say that `three years is all they
got'. Convicted murderers appear to
serve on average between ten and
twelve years in prison prior to parole
or licence supervision.

Australian prisons keep people inside for far shorter times than this bloke got.
Why are you moaning about Indonesia letting this bugger off when he would have got less for doing it in Australia?

Because Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation on earth, has two Aussie drug smugglers on death row.

IMO, actually hacking a woman to death, stabbing her 16 times...and hacking the heads off schoolgirls is worse than drug smuggling.

Why?
Killers are all killers.
One lot does it because they're fucking idiots and the other lot do it because they're greedy idiots.
Hardly much in it as far as the outcome goes.

 

[Indofred]

Revenge must then be taken on Indonesian criminals in Australian jails...with new cage cells being built in the desert outback, Gitmo style...and life and 40 year sentences handed out like candy.

You're advocating revenge attacks on Indonesians who have nothing to do with the Indonesian government.
So much for your human rights bullshit.

Basically, you're trying to make out as if Hindu Bali arresting killers is really a Muslim thing.
You're just one more bigoted fool with a bastard great chip on your shoulder.