The Condemned - Indonesia

[bianco]

It's a Muslim thing when it gets to the courts in Jakarta.

If they're Indonesian crews on people-smuggling boats coming from Indonesia, then they have plenty to do with the Indonesian govt.
"Only poor fishermen who didn't know what they were doing" cry out the Indon politicians.
The people-smuggling racket is costing Australia a fortune, ruining us.

Wanna kill our criminal children, we should take revenge on their criminal children...that is only fair...no more Mr Nice Guy!

 

[bianco]

Ah yes, Hindu Bali...

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Paradise lost as once beautiful Bali buckles under forklifts and fallacies


Titled Resilient Asia, Engine of Global Growth, APEC will showcase an island where environmental and pollution woes have spun out of control. The minister aims to promote a "clean, green, beautiful Bali ... and make it sustainable not just for APEC" but for the future. And she cautioned: "As soon as you have a meeting of international leaders you're going to have a lot of media ... and they will look for stories. They will go all over the island."

They will need to venture no further than their hotels to see the island imploding. Pangestu's focus is on management of waste (30 per cent of which is dumped illegally), but appalling overdevelopment has trashed the southern tourist area, leading to heavy traffic, sewage and pollution problems and a looming water shortage.

According to Bali's Environment Bureau, 3000 tonnes of waste is produced every day. But overdevelopment is the hardest nut to crack thanks to entrenched corruption and poor law enforcement.

 

[Indofred]

It's a Muslim thing when it gets to the courts in Jakarta.

If they're Indonesian crews on people-smuggling boats coming from Indonesia, then they have plenty to do with the Indonesian govt.
"Only poor fishermen who didn't know what they were doing" cry out the Indon politicians.
The people-smuggling racket is costing Australia a fortune, ruining us.

Wanna kill our criminal children, we should take revenge on their criminal children...that is only fair...no more Mr Nice Guy!

I thought the topic was the murderers and what they deserve.
By the way, these angels are maybe just a little bit tainted.

Bali Nine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Details of the criminal histories of the accused were not published during the trial to avoid harming legal defences in Indonesia. Once the Denpasar District court reached guilty verdicts and issued sentences it was revealed in Australian media that several members of the Bali Nine have a history of criminal offences and convictions in Australia occurring before their arrests in Indonesia. In December 2004 Rush pleaded guilty at the Inala Magistrates' Court in Queensland to 16 offences including drug possession, fraud, theft and drink-driving. A warrant for his arrest in Australia is currently outstanding relating to A$4,796.95 stolen from the Commonwealth Bank using a forged cheque.[63] Czugaj, also of Brisbane, has 14 convictions for offences including theft, wilful damage, traffic offences and fare evasion.[64]

Lawrence and Norman were arrested on 26 March 2005, whilst travelling along the Pacific Highway in a stolen Ford Laser vehicle. Police were required to use road spikes to intercept the stolen vehicle. Both were due to appear in the Gosford Magistrates Court to face car theft and traffic related charges. On 26 April 2005, they failed to appear due to their imprisonment in Indonesia a week earlier on 17 April 2005.[65] Lawrence also admitted, after her arrest in Indonesia on 17 April 2005, to two prior visits to Bali in October and November 2004. She and Chan had made an earlier successful run with heroin from Bali to Australia during their October visit. The second delivery, scheduled for December 2004 was aborted when heroin suppliers failed to deliver.[66] Lawrence provided a statement to police saying she was paid A$10,000 for the successful heroin delivery, however later retracted her statement.[67]

It sounds as if Australia should be thanking Indonesia for taking out the trash.

 

[bianco]

It sounds as if Australia should be thanking Indonesia for taking out the trash.

Not by any means the brightest lights in the city, ...and their sins are well documented.
Even the black sheep in the flock are entitled to the same 'rights and liberties' fought so hard for long ago and to this day, the oath written in blood.

"We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties".

We build monuments to it.

Ballarat Eureka Stockade

Beneath the starry flag of rebellion, that oath was taken by hundreds of gold diggers at Ballarat in 1854. The Eureka rebellion led by Peter Lalor was a short lived revolt against petty officialdom and although a military failure, led to political and personal benefits for many Australians.

The original Eureka flag, first raised on Bakery Hill and then flown over the Eureka Stockade and torn down by Trooper King during the bloody battle in the early morning of Sunday December 3rd, 1854, is now proudly displayed at the Ballarat Fine Art Gallery.



Eureka Flag | Museum of Australian Democracy at Eureka


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[Indofred]

It sounds as if Australia should be thanking Indonesia for taking out the trash.

Not by any means the brightest lights in the city, ...and their sins are well documented.
Even the black sheep in the flock are entitled to the same 'rights and liberties' fought so hard for long ago and to this day, the oath written in blood.

"We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties".

We build monuments to it.

But they leave that country in an attempt to make cash by selling death and misery in another country.
Indonesia has different laws because it's a different country.

Many less intelligent people find that hard to understand - How are you fixed?

 

[Noomi]

Schapelle Corby should be out by Xmas time. Pit she can't that godforsaken country until she has completed her parole.

 

[Vikrant]

The muslims I know are not even tiny bit interested in defending the actions of terrorists. It is entertaining to see some people trying to defend the actions of jihadi elements by deflecting attention to other religions. In the process, they eradicate the distinction between a muslim and a terrorist.

There are muslims like Tarek Fatah who have devoted their entire life fighting the fundamentalist elements within islam and then there are people (so called advocates of muslims) who brush all that off with one stroke with their stupid remarks. This is simply tragic.

 

[bianco]

It sounds as if Australia should be thanking Indonesia for taking out the trash.

Not by any means the brightest lights in the city, ...and their sins are well documented.
Even the black sheep in the flock are entitled to the same 'rights and liberties' fought so hard for long ago and to this day, the oath written in blood.

"We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties".

We build monuments to it.

But they leave that country in an attempt to make cash by selling death and misery in another country.
Indonesia has different laws because it's a different country.

Many less intelligent people find that hard to understand - How are you fixed?

They leave that country, carrying its passport and still being its citizens.
These two, and the other 7, were not selling death and misery in another country...they were bringing the heroin back home to sell in their own country.

In their own country, in Sydney where Chan and Sukumaran are from...the govt runs and funds a shooting up gallery for drug users...staffed by doctors.
The users buy the illegal drugs from the dealers who pull up outside in luxury cars etc...[all revealed on 60 Minutes one Sunday night]...then enter the govt man's injecting centre to shoot up the illegal drugs.
The govt man changed the laws so that the cops can look the other way without breaching their charter.
There are also govt-funded free methadone clinics everywhere...where drug users can get off heroin and take free methadone instead.

So I can quite understand why the Bali9 kids thought they weren't doing much wrong.

http://www.sydneymsic.com/

http://www.drugfree.org.au/fileadmin/Media/Reference/DFA_Injecting_Room_Detailed_Research.pdf

 

[Vikrant]

Australia should learn the lesson and not co-operate with the Indonesian regime in future.

 

[bianco]

Australia should learn the lesson and not co-operate with the Indonesian regime in future.

Exactly..."give them nothing and take them nowhere".
Treat them with utter contempt, as they do to us.

They/their President want change.
Therefore they must give something.

 

[Vikrant]

Well, Australia itself has shady records on human rights. It needs to do two things:

- put its house in order
- stop co-operating with countries that violate human rights

When you are a crook, you hang out with crooks. Since Australia itself violates human rights, it has a natural tendency to hang out with countries like China and Indonesia that violate human rights.

 

[bianco]

What human rights does Australia violate?

 

[Indofred]

They leave that country, carrying its passport and still being its citizens.
These two, and the other 7, were not selling death and misery in another country...they were bringing the heroin back home to sell in their own country.

So I can quite understand why the Bali9 kids thought they weren't doing much wrong.

So, thank Indonesia twice - once for shooting the bastards and again for keeping a load of drugs away from Australia.

I also come from a country where there are needle exchanges and so on but I'm bright enough to know drugs are for idiots.

 

[Indofred]

Australia should learn the lesson and not co-operate with the Indonesian regime in future.

Regime?
I think you'll find we have free and fair elections here.
Of course, it's far from totally without a few corrupt bastards but there are cops at all polling stations to ensure a fair vote.
I was a witness at one station some years ago and can assure posters, that one at least was 100% run by the book.

The rather silly attempt at making the Indonesian government out to be a dictatorship simply makes the offending poster look rather silly.

 

[bianco]

'regime' doesn't imply 'dictatorship'.

What the Indonesian regime did do was invade East Timor and torture, mutilate and genocide more than 200,000 people.

 

[Vikrant]

What human rights does Australia violate?

Australia has been engaged in human rights violation of native Australians and colored immigrants since its inception. It has been cited time and time again byt the UN for the violation of human rights. I find it strange that Australians feign ignorance on this issue.

I posted quite a bit on this subject in this thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/austr...-with-murder-of-india-born-businessman-6.html

But, if you like, I can start a separate thread on this issue.

 

[bianco]

What human rights does Australia violate?

Australia has been engaged in human rights violation of native Australians and colored immigrants since its inception. It has been cited time and time again byt the UN for the violation of human rights. I find it strange that Australians feign ignorance on this issue.

I posted quite a bit on this subject in this thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/austr...-with-murder-of-india-born-businessman-6.html

But, if you like, I can start a separate thread on this issue.

Please do.

 

[bianco]

Besides torturing, mutilating and genociding more than 200,000 people...Indonesia also murdered 5 unarmed Australian journalists there.
Known as "The Balibo Five".

Mention The Balibo Five, and once again Indonesia gets offended.

Balibo (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOYROUHP4sQ]Balibo Five Movie Trailler - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Indofred]

Australia will be invading America as well.

Hundreds Bid Farewell to Australian Shot by US Teens - The Jakarta Globe

 

[Indofred]

Of course, Australia has a perfect human rights record.
Especially if you're an abo kid, removed from your family.