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For many outside the United States, Israels occupation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank is considered illegal. On Wednesday, Icelands ambassador to the United Nations, Greta Gunnarsdottir, cited what she called the core problem underlying the current violence.
It is the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, that affects all aspects of the daily life of Palestinians, that violates their human rights, she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/w...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0
The comparison between Likud and Hamas is impossible, plus its not only Likud, its 97% of the population in Israel against Hamas.For many outside the United States, Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank is considered illegal. On Wednesday, Iceland’s ambassador to the United Nations, Greta Gunnarsdottir, cited what she called “the core problem” underlying the current violence.
“It is the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, that affects all aspects of the daily life of Palestinians, that violates their human rights,” she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/w...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0
It is a core problem. The Pales realize Israel doesn't really want to negotiate a peace. Nevertheless, Hamas's real goal is to destroy a Jewish state. You can't have peace with Hamas. In a sense Likud and Hamas need each other like the Hatfields and McCoys.
The comparison between Likud and Hamas is impossible, plus its not only Likud, its 97% of the population in Israel against Hamas.For many outside the United States, Israels occupation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank is considered illegal. On Wednesday, Icelands ambassador to the United Nations, Greta Gunnarsdottir, cited what she called the core problem underlying the current violence.
It is the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, that affects all aspects of the daily life of Palestinians, that violates their human rights, she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/w...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0
It is a core problem. The Pales realize Israel doesn't really want to negotiate a peace. Nevertheless, Hamas's real goal is to destroy a Jewish state. You can't have peace with Hamas. In a sense Likud and Hamas need each other like the Hatfields and McCoys.
The FULL responsibility for zero peace negotiation tied with the preconditions just for negotiating, the Pals only try to squeeze and evade peace, it was before, and it will be in the future unless something will change, and I agree Hamas are incapable of peace, but the only way to change it is by eliminating Hamas off the equation and helping the Pals reach the bright 'Arab Spring' future, all past negotiation failed because of the Pals refusal not Israel.
Last 9 month negotiation Israel agreed for a preconditions froze the settlements and released 350 terrorists (convicted killers as well) and that peace talk reached no where, Abbas refused to continue without more preconditions again, and blew it up, later on he made pact with Hamas.
The comparison between Likud and Hamas is impossible, plus its not only Likud, its 97% of the population in Israel against Hamas.For many outside the United States, Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank is considered illegal. On Wednesday, Iceland’s ambassador to the United Nations, Greta Gunnarsdottir, cited what she called “the core problem” underlying the current violence.
“It is the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, that affects all aspects of the daily life of Palestinians, that violates their human rights,” she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/w...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0
It is a core problem. The Pales realize Israel doesn't really want to negotiate a peace. Nevertheless, Hamas's real goal is to destroy a Jewish state. You can't have peace with Hamas. In a sense Likud and Hamas need each other like the Hatfields and McCoys.
The FULL responsibility for zero peace negotiation tied with the preconditions just for negotiating, the Pals only try to squeeze and evade peace, it was before, and it will be in the future unless something will change, and I agree Hamas are incapable of peace, but the only way to change it is by eliminating Hamas off the equation and helping the Pals reach the bright 'Arab Spring' future, all past negotiation failed because of the Pals refusal not Israel.
Last 9 month negotiation Israel agreed for a preconditions froze the settlements and released 350 terrorists (convicted killers as well) and that peace talk reached no where, Abbas refused to continue without more preconditions again, and blew it up, later on he made pact with Hamas.
The comparison between Likud and Hamas is impossible, plus its not only Likud, its 97% of the population in Israel against Hamas.It is a core problem. The Pales realize Israel doesn't really want to negotiate a peace. Nevertheless, Hamas's real goal is to destroy a Jewish state. You can't have peace with Hamas. In a sense Likud and Hamas need each other like the Hatfields and McCoys.
The FULL responsibility for zero peace negotiation tied with the preconditions just for negotiating, the Pals only try to squeeze and evade peace, it was before, and it will be in the future unless something will change, and I agree Hamas are incapable of peace, but the only way to change it is by eliminating Hamas off the equation and helping the Pals reach the bright 'Arab Spring' future, all past negotiation failed because of the Pals refusal not Israel.
Last 9 month negotiation Israel agreed for a preconditions froze the settlements and released 350 terrorists (convicted killers as well) and that peace talk reached no where, Abbas refused to continue without more preconditions again, and blew it up, later on he made pact with Hamas.
Likud needs Hamas to legitimize its claim that there can be no two state solution. All Israel ever agrees to is 'temporary halts to settlements." I don't believe all Israelis are committed to ethnically cleansing the west bank or establishing an apartheid regiem, but Likud's coaltion does. Hamas needs Likud to show the Palestinians there can be no peace with Zionists.
However, even without Likud, and a return to actually trying to form a demilitarized Pale state in the west bank, Hamas would be undeterred. Which is why the vast maj of Israelis support the gaza military operation.
I don't see Israel as ever being able to rid itself of Hamas without ending the appropriation of land, and committing to a pale state in the west bank, with Jordan.
But, hell, lets just end it. Israel's already taken the land. Let's stop pretending you're capable of honest dialogue
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“Yes,” Ging replied. ““The armed groups are firing their rockets into Israel from the vicinity of U.N. facilities and residential areas, absolutely.”
Oh right the blockade again, I DON'T CARE THEY HAVE TO LIVE POOR AND MISERABLE BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTION MEANS WE WON'T LIVE AT ALL!I think that you need to learn to read...
You will see, if you can be bothered, that I made it VERY clear that I was no longer neutral...
The blockade as you call it ensures that Gaza and the people of Gaza live in extremely poor conditions... It's called oppression... You as a Jew should know all about oppression and the effects of oppression...
The core problem IS occupation... End of story... And until that changes there will never be peace...
If you occupied my land I would kick your ass to get out out. No difference!
And since they started it, we had to kick their ass out of Israel, period.
That's like saying the Native Americans started the conflict with the European settlers.
The Palestinian Christians and Muslims did not start anything. They were living peacefully in Palestine before the European Zionists arrived and eventually evicted them.
The European Jews started the conflict, that's just a basic fact.
Oh right the blockade again, I DON'T CARE THEY HAVE TO LIVE POOR AND MISERABLE BECAUSE THE OTHER OPTION MEANS WE WON'T LIVE AT ALL!
And since they started it, we had to kick their ass out of Israel, period.
That's like saying the Native Americans started the conflict with the European settlers.
The Palestinian Christians and Muslims did not start anything. They were living peacefully in Palestine before the European Zionists arrived and eventually evicted them.
The European Jews started the conflict, that's just a basic fact.
No, it's not a fact. The Palestinian Arabs starting attacking the Jews, jot the other way around.
Also, the main part of the conflict was a result of the 1949 war, which started when 5 Arab armies invaded Palestine and attacked Israel while trying to invade Israel.
The surrounding Arab states as well as the Palestinians, are the worst enemy of the Palestinians.
Israel just laid siege to and blockaded Gaza in 2005, what are you talking about. Learn some history before you spout nonsense.
Are you now going to revise the state of Aza when it was handed over?
The blockade was a reaction to the WBJs destroying the infrastructure and screaming Death To The Jews!
It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who constantly revises modern and contemporary events.
Israel never relinquished control of Gaza's land border, air space or territorial sea after removing its troops. You are a typical Israel propagandist attempting to change facts based on current events which I can easily debunk.
"In September 2005, Israel completed the "disengagement plan," which included the dismantling of all the Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip, the evacuation of their residents to Israeli territory, and the withdrawal of all Israeli army forces from the area. After the plan was completed, Israel issued an order declaring the end of the military government in the Gaza Strip. The changes following the disengagement resulted in some improvement in the ability of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip to run their lives. Most importantly, they are now able to move about freely in most of the territory. However, Israel continues to hold decisive control over important elements of Palestinian life in the Gaza Strip, as follows:
Crossing of people: Israel continues to maintain complete control of its border crossings with the Gaza Strip, and the air and sea space of the Gaza Strip."
The scope of Israeli control in the Gaza Strip | B'Tselem
It's not as though Hamas are pretending they're not doing this.
Baby Killers of Hamas | FrontPage Magazine
Are you now going to revise the state of Aza when it was handed over?
The blockade was a reaction to the WBJs destroying the infrastructure and screaming Death To The Jews!
It's difficult to have a discussion with someone who constantly revises modern and contemporary events.
Israel never relinquished control of Gaza's land border, air space or territorial sea after removing its troops. You are a typical Israel propagandist attempting to change facts based on current events which I can easily debunk.
"In September 2005, Israel completed the "disengagement plan," which included the dismantling of all the Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip, the evacuation of their residents to Israeli territory, and the withdrawal of all Israeli army forces from the area. After the plan was completed, Israel issued an order declaring the end of the military government in the Gaza Strip. The changes following the disengagement resulted in some improvement in the ability of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip to run their lives. Most importantly, they are now able to move about freely in most of the territory. However, Israel continues to hold decisive control over important elements of Palestinian life in the Gaza Strip, as follows:
Crossing of people: Israel continues to maintain complete control of its border crossings with the Gaza Strip, and the air and sea space of the Gaza Strip."
The scope of Israeli control in the Gaza Strip | B'Tselem
True or False:
You just stated that a nation should have no control over it's border.
One of the Hamas terrorists involved in the attack described her reaction and the Muslim reaction.
“While I was on the bus and everybody was congratulating one another, they said on the radio that there had been a martyrdom attack at the Sbarro restaurant, and that three people were killed. I admit that I was a bit disappointed, because I had hoped for a larger toll. Yet when they said ‘three dead,’ I said: ‘Allah be praised.’”
“Two minutes later, they said on the radio that the number had increased to five. I wanted to hide my smile, but I just couldn’t. Allah be praised, it was great. As the number of dead kept increasing, the passengers were applauding.”
