U.S. expected to sanction IDF unit for human rights violations in occupied West Bank

[toomuchtime_]

The absolute majority of the world would disagree.

No, they wouldn't. Some may think there should be a Paleestinian state, but all know there isn't one now.

 

[ESay]

And yet ... the holiest synagogue in the world has restrictions on freedom of worship for only one religion. But we are the "troublemakers".

There isn't any synagogue there.

 

[ESay]

No, they wouldn't. Some may think there should be a Paleestinian state, but all know there isn't one now.

There will.

 

[Shusha]

There isn't any synagogue there.

Don't be ridiculous. It is the holiest place for the Jewish people.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There will.

It's an absurd notion dreamed up by European diplomats who paid no attention to the facts on the ground. There is no rational scenario which would lead to the conclusion a Palestinian state would be viable.

 

[ESay]

Don't be ridiculous. It is the holiest place for the Jewish people.

A mosque is located there now. End of story.

 

[ESay]

It's an absurd notion dreamed up by European diplomats who paid no attention to the facts on the ground. There is no rational scenario which would lead to the conclusion a Palestinian state would be viable.

Agree, too much depends on the US. Basically, it is up to them whether a Palestinian state to be there or not. But the stance in the US is changing and there is little to reverse that.

 

[Shusha]

A mosque is located there now. End of story.

End of story? Interesting take.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Agree, too much depends on the US. Basically, it is up to them whether a Palestinian state to be there or not. But the stance in the US is changing and there is little to reverse that.

Nonsense, a Palestinian state in the territories is not viable because the Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.

 

[ESay]

End of story? Interesting take.

But what should I say? Before, you talked about a synagogue, then switched to 'the holiest place'. You know, if people base their demands on thousands years' old 'traditions' ignoring the present day's reality, then what can I say? Okay, try that. Good luck. But don't be surprised when other people aren't too eager in supporting you in this endeavor.

 

[ESay]

Nonsense, a Palestinian state in the territories is not viable because the Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel.

The time will show. There is no point in debating about some possibilities being based on some personal preferences.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The time will show. There is no point in debating about some possibilities being based on some personal preferences.

Facts are facts and it has nothing to do with personal preferences. The idea of a Palestinian state in the territories is a European fairy tale the Palestinians never bought into, and there is no rational basis for believing that will change in the foreseeable future.

 

[ESay]

Facts are facts and it has nothing to do with personal preferences. The idea of a Palestinian state in the territories is a European fairy tale the Palestinians never bought into, and there is no rational basis for believing that will change in the foreseeable future.

Facts? What these facts are:
1. The Palestinians have already become a separate nation. At least in political terms.
2. The whole of the so called Global South, with quite a few exceptions, supports the right of this nation to exist. To say nothing about Muslim states.
3. The stance in the US is changing. Though, granted, I can't say how fundamental this change can be, if it ever will.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Facts? What these facts are:
1. The Palestinians have already become a separate nation. At least in political terms.
2. The whole of the so called Global South, with quite a few exceptions, supports the right of this nation to exist. To say nothing about Muslim states.
3. The stance in the US is changing. Though, granted, I can't say how fundamental this change can be, if it ever will.

The only pertinent fact is that the Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel and are not willing to accept only a state in the territories. That means that no matter what anyone else thinks, a Palestinian state is simply not viable.

 

[ESay]

The only pertinent fact is that the Palestinians are committed to the destruction of Israel and are not willing to accept only a state in the territories. That means that no matter what anyone else thinks, a Palestinian state is simply not viable.

Yes, they were told that for 70 years. Maybe if some Arab countries change the narratives, the people's mindset will be changing also.

 

[sparky]

The 'facts' are becoming relevant

The IDF did their best to kick the UN out, along with any non-Israeli journalist, as well as use any aid as bait

Israel being no better than holocaust deniers ,and will suffer the same history in the court of world opinion

this is all just a matter of time, like a century ago....

Blinky knows the US should not be on their side of the bench

~S~

 

[Kondor3]

More because they've lowered themselves to Muzzie standards

Add not being much of an ally on top of that

~S~

One fights fire with fire.

And... when one DOES fight... the whole point of the exercise is to fight to WIN.

That means the use of overwhelming force to effect an Unconditional Surrender.

And, in the case of Hamas, the death of their leadership and whatever cadre participated in the October 7, 2023 slaughter...

Hamas embeds military assets amongst its civilians, in schools and hospitals and mosques and in residential areas...

Hamas hides behind the skirts of their women and children like the pu$$ie$ and cowards they truly are...

Gazans elected Hamas and supported and sustained them and let them brainwash their kids and sent their sons to serve...

October 7, 2023 must never be inflicted upon the Jews of Israel again... never...,

This is war... civilians die in wars when they are used as human shields... ask the people of Dresden or Tokyo in the 1940s...

After all the atrocities and stupidity that Gaza is guilty of... now they want our sympathy and aid?

Phukk 'em...

Death to Hamas...

Go Team Israel.

 

[sparky]

One fights fire with fire.

Was that the defense @ Nuremburg Kondor?

~S~

 

[Kondor3]

Was that the defense @ Nuremburg Kondor?

~S~

What was the Allied defense over Berlin and Hamburg and Dresden and Tokyo and Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

War is an ugly, nasty, highly questionable business... Israel needs to achieve Victory as quickly as practicable.

And they do that by leveling Rafah and killing every Hamas leader and operative that they can lay their hands on...

Sparing as many civilians as may be practicable without risking either Victory or IDF lives...

But when it comes to Hamas...

No mercy...

No prisoners...

Offering Hamas the same terms that Hamas (publicly voiced) would have offered the Jews in their place...

Death to Hamas...

Go Team Israel...

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yes, they were told that for 70 years. Maybe if some Arab countries change the narratives, the people's mindset will be changing also.

No, the Palestinians have been telling the world for 70 years that they are not interested in a state just in the territories, but you are just not listening to them.