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I thought we were discussing ethics.
What about the ethics of letting other citizens make their own family planning decisions without interference from opinionated busy bodies?
User name doesn't negate reality. Also, fisting does not ever result in other lives coming into the world. In fact, there is no coming at all.So what? People take risks when they bear children.
Someone who calls himself fisty the badger seems in no position to judge anyone else's choices.
User name doesn't negate reality. Also, fisting does not ever result in other lives coming into the world. In fact, there is no coming at all.So what? People take risks when they bear children.
Someone who calls himself fisty the badger seems in no position to judge anyone else's choices.
I thought we were discussing ethics.
What about the ethics of letting other citizens make their own family planning decisions without interference from opinionated busy bodies?
It is a sorry state of affairs when social status trumps logical thought.User name doesn't negate reality. Also, fisting does not ever result in other lives coming into the world. In fact, there is no coming at all.So what? People take risks when they bear children.
Someone who calls himself fisty the badger seems in no position to judge anyone else's choices.
Your trolling negates taking you seriously.
It is a sorry state of affairs when social status trumps logical thought.User name doesn't negate reality. Also, fisting does not ever result in other lives coming into the world. In fact, there is no coming at all.
Your trolling negates taking you seriously.
Lazy spite makes for bad plight.It is a sorry state of affairs when social status trumps logical thought.Your trolling negates taking you seriously.
That maybe so but it has been the case since the dawn of time and I see no good reason to make an exception in your case at this time.
Lazy spite makes for bad plight.It is a sorry state of affairs when social status trumps logical thought.
That maybe so but it has been the case since the dawn of time and I see no good reason to make an exception in your case at this time.
You are an idiot.Lazy spite makes for bad plight.That maybe so but it has been the case since the dawn of time and I see no good reason to make an exception in your case at this time.
I bet you wish you hadn't adopted the personna of a troll about now? It sucks when you want to participate for real doesn't it?
You are an idiot.Lazy spite makes for bad plight.
I bet you wish you hadn't adopted the personna of a troll about now? It sucks when you want to participate for real doesn't it?
I thought we were discussing ethics.
What about the ethics of letting other citizens make their own family planning decisions without interference from opinionated busy bodies?
So you have no problem with a woman that has 6 kids, getting 8 embryos implanted and carrying them all to term KNOWING that at least some of them will be special needs, and that she could die during childbirth, leaving her already 6 kids without their mother????
My mom had 5 kids and she always said if she ever got pregnant again and the choice came down to her or the baby, she had to be the one to live, she had 5 other kids she needed to raise and she would not leave them without a mother.
What I am saying is that this woman had 6 kids, she should be grateful. If she wanted more and couldn't get pregnant again, adoption is always an answer. My neighbor had 6 of her own kids and wanted more, but was told she couldn't have them. She adopted two more children from China, both "special needs".
She didn't put her health in danger and the health of 8 unborn babies by having embryos implanted.
This woman's decision was her own, I believe it was the WRONG decision. I am entitled to my opinion. furthermore, I'm entitled to voice that opinion.
BTW, I have two special needs kids of my own. When we wanted to adopt, we couldn't, at that time China wouldn't let you adopt if you already had children and in other countries you had to be over 40. The state was more than willing to talk adoption with us...they wanted us to adopt two special needs sisters. I declined. I felt two special needs kids was all that I could handle at the time.
I can't imagine anyone having special needs kids on purpose and that's what this woman did. There is no way to have a litter of 8 kids without at least some of them being special needs.
My youngest son is 21 severely autistic and still in diapers. My oldest son is 24, has Asperger's Syndrome and just started college at DeVry last Sept. He made the Deans list this week. I'm thrilled. His social skills are way behind but he is very intelligent and his teachers seem to really like him. I'm actually hopeful now that he will get a job that pays a decent living.
It's none of my business but I bet she can afford a new 8 bedroom house with a pool now even if she couldn't before.
I thought we were discussing ethics.
What about the ethics of letting other citizens make their own family planning decisions without interference from opinionated busy bodies?
So you have no problem with a woman that has 6 kids, getting 8 embryos implanted and carrying them all to term KNOWING that at least some of them will be special needs, and that she could die during childbirth, leaving her already 6 kids without their mother????
My mom had 5 kids and she always said if she ever got pregnant again and the choice came down to her or the baby, she had to be the one to live, she had 5 other kids she needed to raise and she would not leave them without a mother.
What I am saying is that this woman had 6 kids, she should be grateful. If she wanted more and couldn't get pregnant again, adoption is always an answer. My neighbor had 6 of her own kids and wanted more, but was told she couldn't have them. She adopted two more children from China, both "special needs".
She didn't put her health in danger and the health of 8 unborn babies by having embryos implanted.
This woman's decision was her own, I believe it was the WRONG decision. I am entitled to my opinion. furthermore, I'm entitled to voice that opinion.
BTW, I have two special needs kids of my own. When we wanted to adopt, we couldn't, at that time China wouldn't let you adopt if you already had children and in other countries you had to be over 40. The state was more than willing to talk adoption with us...they wanted us to adopt two special needs sisters. I declined. I felt two special needs kids was all that I could handle at the time.
I can't imagine anyone having special needs kids on purpose and that's what this woman did. There is no way to have a litter of 8 kids without at least some of them being special needs.
My youngest son is 21 severely autistic and still in diapers. My oldest son is 24, has Asperger's Syndrome and just started college at DeVry last Sept. He made the Deans list this week. I'm thrilled. His social skills are way behind but he is very intelligent and his teachers seem to really like him. I'm actually hopeful now that he will get a job that pays a decent living.
We are discussing ethics. It is not up to me to plan someone else's family. No forum posters advised you when you were planning your family, which happens to include special needs children.
Why aren't we discussing the ethics of the doctor who performed the in vitro fertilization. This woman wanted ONE more child--not eight. What happened? How did she happen to have eight more children in one pregnancy?
I don't condemn this woman based on one article about her pregnancy and multiple birth with limited information. I don't condemn her period.
If posters want to make ME the problem, have at it. See you all later. MUCH later.
So you have no problem with a woman that has 6 kids, getting 8 embryos implanted and carrying them all to term KNOWING that at least some of them will be special needs, and that she could die during childbirth, leaving her already 6 kids without their mother????
My mom had 5 kids and she always said if she ever got pregnant again and the choice came down to her or the baby, she had to be the one to live, she had 5 other kids she needed to raise and she would not leave them without a mother.
What I am saying is that this woman had 6 kids, she should be grateful. If she wanted more and couldn't get pregnant again, adoption is always an answer. My neighbor had 6 of her own kids and wanted more, but was told she couldn't have them. She adopted two more children from China, both "special needs".
She didn't put her health in danger and the health of 8 unborn babies by having embryos implanted.
This woman's decision was her own, I believe it was the WRONG decision. I am entitled to my opinion. furthermore, I'm entitled to voice that opinion.
BTW, I have two special needs kids of my own. When we wanted to adopt, we couldn't, at that time China wouldn't let you adopt if you already had children and in other countries you had to be over 40. The state was more than willing to talk adoption with us...they wanted us to adopt two special needs sisters. I declined. I felt two special needs kids was all that I could handle at the time.
I can't imagine anyone having special needs kids on purpose and that's what this woman did. There is no way to have a litter of 8 kids without at least some of them being special needs.
My youngest son is 21 severely autistic and still in diapers. My oldest son is 24, has Asperger's Syndrome and just started college at DeVry last Sept. He made the Deans list this week. I'm thrilled. His social skills are way behind but he is very intelligent and his teachers seem to really like him. I'm actually hopeful now that he will get a job that pays a decent living.
We are discussing ethics. It is not up to me to plan someone else's family. No forum posters advised you when you were planning your family, which happens to include special needs children.
Why aren't we discussing the ethics of the doctor who performed the in vitro fertilization. This woman wanted ONE more child--not eight. What happened? How did she happen to have eight more children in one pregnancy?
I don't condemn this woman based on one article about her pregnancy and multiple birth with limited information. I don't condemn her period.
If posters want to make ME the problem, have at it. See you all later. MUCH later.
Okay, I'll give you that, the doctor should not have implanted 8 embryos. Perhaps we should have a law limiting embryo implantation to no more than 3 embryos?
We are discussing ethics. It is not up to me to plan someone else's family. No forum posters advised you when you were planning your family, which happens to include special needs children.
Why aren't we discussing the ethics of the doctor who performed the in vitro fertilization. This woman wanted ONE more child--not eight. What happened? How did she happen to have eight more children in one pregnancy?
I don't condemn this woman based on one article about her pregnancy and multiple birth with limited information. I don't condemn her period.
If posters want to make ME the problem, have at it. See you all later. MUCH later.
Okay, I'll give you that, the doctor should not have implanted 8 embryos. Perhaps we should have a law limiting embryo implantation to no more than 3 embryos?
Umm, a single mother of 6, living in her parents 3 bdrm home, asking for Invitro? How about a, "No."
It's none of my business but I bet she can afford a new 8 bedroom house with a pool now even if she couldn't before.
Not if the publicity is what it seems to be. You must remember, this is still a very puritan country. We try to be European, but at heart we still reject stupid.
