The Forgotten Rump Scandal: Central Park Five

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>> Last week, just before the explosive 'hot mic' tape upheaved the Republican nominee's campaign, Mr Trump told CNN he still believes the Central Park Five are guilty, despite DNA evidence.

"They admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous," he said in a statement to the network.

The Central Park Five were five teenagers, aged 15 to 18, who were arrested and convicted in the 1989 beating and rape of a 28-year-old female jogger in Central Park, New York City.

.... In this climate, and in response to the attack, Donald Trump - then known only as the flashy real estate developer who had just purchased the Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City - took out a full-page ad in four New York newspapers.

"Bring back the death penalty. Bring back our police!" the ad read.
"I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyse or understand them, I am looking to punish them," he continued. <<

Unfortunately for Rump's hatefest, fourteen years ago a serial rapist and murderer named Matias Reyes not only confessed to the crime but his confession was confirmed by DNA matching --- which testing found no match for any of the "Central Park Five". Reyes also accurately described the scene of the crime and said he has acted alone.

And yet Rump --- ever entrenched in his ivory tower of self-delusional hate --- to this day, fourteen years later, can't admit he was wrong, can't bring himself to apologize to the Central Park Five, and doubles down on his own stupidity, apparently hoping that conviction will come off as ---- I dunno. Sump'm.


>> Soon after Mr Trump made the statement to CNN, the Washington Post broke the story of the Republican nominee bragging as he filmed a 2005 segment for Access Hollywood that he could grab women's genitals.

In the ensuing uproar, the Central Park Five comments were lost.

With them went an opportunity to carefully examine why Mr Trump refuses to accept the exonerations of the five men, and what implications that has for a Trump presidency.

There were no questions about it at the Sunday debate. However, many prominent observers want the moment marked.

"Apparently Mr Trump is unfamiliar with the concept of wrongful conviction," tweeted documentarian Ken Burns, who made a critically acclaimed film about the bungled investigation and prosecution of the five boys.

.... Some, like the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson, called Mr Trump's stance blatantly racist.

"For young African American and Latino men, Trump has a clear and ominous message: You must be guilty of something. Not even scientific proof can convince him otherwise," Robinson wrote.

"If that is not racism, the word has no meaning."

Mr Trump's refusal to acknowledge his mistake is even more puzzling given that there is nothing particularly partisan to dig into here.

Both Republicans and Democrats say that the country is in need of criminal justice reform, and the existence of false confessions has been proven time and time again through DNA evidence.

It seems that as the "law and order" candidate, Mr Trump believes there can be no acknowledgment of past mistakes.

As Vox's Victoria Massie writes, "by refusing to recognise when the law has wronged citizens, he sets a dangerous message that justice is not necessary to maintain social order". <<

Get all that? Doesn't matter that they were not guilty of anything. Doesn't matter that they were completely exonerated by DNA evidence. Doesn't even matter that the actual perpetrator was identified and is in jail for probably forever. What's important is that the Narcissist-in-Cheetos doesn't back down when he commits a fuckup. So just kill them.
 
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Doesn't matter that they were not guilty of anything. Doesn't matter that they were completely exonerated by DNA evidence. Doesn't even matter that the actual perpetrator was identified and is in jail for probably forever.

Of course none of that is relevant in Trump's mind. He has spoken and as far as he's concerned, when he speaks, he's infallible.

The "Central Park Five" (CPF) matter is very telling as goes Trump insofar as it is a very clear illustration of the fact that Trump, even though he's ostensibly apologized for his conduct in the "hot mic" incident, he feels no actual contrition. In the CPF incident, there is not one shred of legitimacy to Trump's claims' veracity, yet he stands by what he believed to be so amid incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. It thus stands to reason that the only thing that spurred him to issue his so-called apology is that it was politically expedient for him to do so. That he's had a change of heart is clearly not so for as recently as 2016 he's continued to disparage women and speak of them in objectifying language.

For those who actually are aware they don't fully understand objectification:
 
Doesn't matter that they were not guilty of anything. Doesn't matter that they were completely exonerated by DNA evidence. Doesn't even matter that the actual perpetrator was identified and is in jail for probably forever.

Of course none of that is relevant in Trump's mind. He has spoken and as far as he's concerned, when he speaks, he's infallible.

The "Central Park Five" (CPF) matter is very telling as goes Trump insofar as it is a very clear illustration of the fact that Trump, even though he's ostensibly apologized for his conduct in the "hot mic" incident, he feels no actual contrition. In the CPF incident, there is not one shred of legitimacy to Trump's claims' veracity, yet he stands by what he believed to be so amid incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. It thus stands to reason that the only thing that spurred him to issue his so-called apology is that it was politically expedient for him to do so. That he's had a change of heart is clearly not so for as recently as 2016 he's continued to disparage women and speak of them in objectifying language.

For those who actually are aware they don't fully understand objectification:
He is a narcissist. "Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism." Narcissistic personality disorder - Mayo Clinic
 
Doesn't matter that they were not guilty of anything. Doesn't matter that they were completely exonerated by DNA evidence. Doesn't even matter that the actual perpetrator was identified and is in jail for probably forever.

Of course none of that is relevant in Trump's mind. He has spoken and as far as he's concerned, when he speaks, he's infallible.

The "Central Park Five" (CPF) matter is very telling as goes Trump insofar as it is a very clear illustration of the fact that Trump, even though he's ostensibly apologized for his conduct in the "hot mic" incident, he feels no actual contrition. In the CPF incident, there is not one shred of legitimacy to Trump's claims' veracity, yet he stands by what he believed to be so amid incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. It thus stands to reason that the only thing that spurred him to issue his so-called apology is that it was politically expedient for him to do so. That he's had a change of heart is clearly not so for as recently as 2016 he's continued to disparage women and speak of them in objectifying language.

For those who actually are aware they don't fully understand objectification:


It also (sadly) says much about us culturally that we put so much more emphasis on some candid remarks about sex than on a very public stance that would, if carried through, lead directly to the institutionally-sanctioned murder of five innocent men --- and he would entertain no sense of his own responsibility for those lives whatsoever.

--- Which goes right along with his inability to ever take any responsibility for anything, which makes him an absurd choice to be running anything, let alone a country, let alone this one.

It's unfortunate that this doubling-down on his apparently racist position was so quickly overshadowed by the barrage of sexual assault stories. Both are important and this one deserves its due attention for what it too says about the warped mentality of its perpetrator.

When a demagogue declares that his own Ego is more important than five innocent lives, SOMEBODY has to stand up and say "this is just flat wrong". You'd think that would be obvious.
 
Well they did rape and beat her

TRY to catch up, Frank. No, they didn't. The actual perp --- who was not among them --- not only confessed and accurately described the scene of the crime but he was also matched by DNA with that found on the victim. DNA which matched none of the CP Five. "None" as in Zero.

He's in prison where he belongs. He committed multiple rapes and murders.

By Rump's logic ---- he should be set free. Imagine that.
 
I'd Take the 'Central Park 5' Scandal over Barry's 'Taliban 5' Scandal every day of the week and twice on Sunday, as the saying goes. :p
 
Brain Sees Men as Whole, Women as Parts

An interesting approach --- I wish it had gone more into how the brain works as far as left and right hemispheres ... the left being the domain of individual details and the right being that of context .... and delved into how men's and women's hemispheres tend to work. I've heard it said that women have (or perhaps are encouraged to exercise) more communication between the hemispheres than men have (or are encouraged to exercise).

/ offtopic
 
It also (sadly) says much about us culturally that we put so much more emphasis on some candid remarks about sex than on a very public stance that would, if carried through, lead directly to the institutionally-sanctioned murder of five innocent men --- and he would entertain no sense of his own responsibility for those lives whatsoever.


It is not all that sad at all for that emphasis is the proof that, for at least some of us, character and integrity are what matter most. If a bad decision be made on a matter of policy, it can be amended and adjusted for with the effects being comparatively quick to realize. The ills of character are far more enduring. Slavery's legacy we observe even today provides us with all the evidence we need of that being so and yet, that peculiar institution is not the only one. The character failings of the leaders of Roman Catholic church are yet another and those roots trace back to Nicean Council.
 
BBC News

>> Last week, just before the explosive 'hot mic' tape upheaved the Republican nominee's campaign, Mr Trump told CNN he still believes the Central Park Five are guilty, despite DNA evidence.

"They admitted they were guilty. The police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous," he said in a statement to the network.

The Central Park Five were five teenagers, aged 15 to 18, who were arrested and convicted in the 1989 beating and rape of a 28-year-old female jogger in Central Park, New York City.

.... In this climate, and in response to the attack, Donald Trump - then known only as the flashy real estate developer who had just purchased the Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City - took out a full-page ad in four New York newspapers.

"Bring back the death penalty. Bring back our police!" the ad read.
"I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyse or understand them, I am looking to punish them," he continued. <<

Unfortunately for Rump's hatefest, fourteen years ago a serial rapist and murderer named Matias Reyes not only confessed to the crime but his confession was confirmed by DNA matching --- which testing found no match for any of the "Central Park Five". Reyes also accurately described the scene of the crime and said he has acted alone.

And yet Rump --- ever entrenched in his ivory tower of self-delusional hate --- to this day, fourteen years later, can't admit he was wrong, can't bring himself to apologize to the Central Park Five, and doubles down on his own stupidity, apparently hoping that conviction will come off as ---- I dunno. Sump'm.


>> Soon after Mr Trump made the statement to CNN, the Washington Post broke the story of the Republican nominee bragging as he filmed a 2005 segment for Access Hollywood that he could grab women's genitals.

In the ensuing uproar, the Central Park Five comments were lost.

With them went an opportunity to carefully examine why Mr Trump refuses to accept the exonerations of the five men, and what implications that has for a Trump presidency.

There were no questions about it at the Sunday debate. However, many prominent observers want the moment marked.

"Apparently Mr Trump is unfamiliar with the concept of wrongful conviction," tweeted documentarian Ken Burns, who made a critically acclaimed film about the bungled investigation and prosecution of the five boys.

.... Some, like the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson, called Mr Trump's stance blatantly racist.

"For young African American and Latino men, Trump has a clear and ominous message: You must be guilty of something. Not even scientific proof can convince him otherwise," Robinson wrote.

"If that is not racism, the word has no meaning."

Mr Trump's refusal to acknowledge his mistake is even more puzzling given that there is nothing particularly partisan to dig into here.

Both Republicans and Democrats say that the country is in need of criminal justice reform, and the existence of false confessions has been proven time and time again through DNA evidence.

It seems that as the "law and order" candidate, Mr Trump believes there can be no acknowledgment of past mistakes.

As Vox's Victoria Massie writes, "by refusing to recognise when the law has wronged citizens, he sets a dangerous message that justice is not necessary to maintain social order". <<

Get all that? Doesn't matter that they were not guilty of anything. Doesn't matter that they were completely exonerated by DNA evidence. Doesn't even matter that the actual perpetrator was identified and is in jail for probably forever. What's important is that the Narcissist-in-Cheetos doesn't back down when he commits a fuckup. So just kill them.

They are guilty as sin. Trump simply knows more about the case than the typical leftwing dumbass.


In 2002, the ancient Robert Morgenthau, Manhattan district attorney, issued a report recommending that the convictions in the Central Park rape case be vacated. Justice Charles Tejada (Fordham Law 2009 Hispanic Heritage Award winner!) granted his request.

Liberals are opposed to rape in the abstract, but when it comes to actual rapists, they're all for them.

The D.A.'s report was based solely on the confession of Matias Reyes, career criminal, serial rapist and murderer. Reyes had absolutely nothing to lose by confessing to the rape -- the statute of limitations had run -- and much to gain by claiming he acted alone: He got a favorable prison transfer and the admiration of his fellow inmates for smearing the police.
one inmate says Reyes told him he heard the jogger's screams and raped her only after the "Central Park Five" had finished with her.

The media proclaim those five rapists innocent based on journalists' own over-excited reports that the DNA found on the jogger matched that of Reyes -- but none of the others!

Yeah, we knew that. It was always known that semen on the jogger did not match any of the defendants. ("DNA Expert: No Semen Links to Defendants," The Associated Press, July 14, 1990.)

Hallmark should have a greeting card: "Guess whose semen wasn't found anywhere on the rape victim?" (Open card) "I'm so proud of you, son!"

Prosecutor Elizabeth Lederer expressly reminded the jurors of the missing rapist in her summation to the jury: "Others who were not caught raped her and got away." Reyes' confession means nothing more than: Now we know who "got away."

DNA wasn't the evidence that convicted the "Central Park Five." It's hard to believe today, but in 1989 DNA was rarely used to convict anyone, so it wouldn't have been carefully collected by police investigators. DNA identifications had only been invented a few years earlier and were not even permitted in New York courts until six months before the Central Park wilding.

Instead, this case was solved with old-fashioned police work. After the first 911 calls came in, the police arrested some of the thugs in the park that very night. Then they arrested anyone named by the first detainees.

For example, one boy picked up in the park told the cops -- without prompting -- "I know who did the murder. I know who did the murder. I know where he lives and I'll tell you his name." (The night of the attack, no one expected the jogger to live.) He named one of the so-called "Central Park Five" convicted of the attack, Antron McCray.

Of more than three dozen hoodlums brought in for questioning, only 10 were charged with any crimes, and only five of those were charged with the attack on the jogger. All those charged with the jogger's rape gave detailed, corroborated, videotaped confessions, after full Miranda warnings. Four of the five confessed in the presence of an adult relative.

Recall that none of them -- including the police -- could be sure the jogger wouldn't emerge from her coma and be able to identify her attackers. (She emerged, but blocked all memory of the attack.) All five confessed to assisting the attack on the jogger, but none to raping her themselves. That's also enough for a rape conviction.

In Antron McCray's 34-minute videotaped statement, for example, he said:

"Everybody started hitting her and stuff. She was on the ground, everybody stompin' and everything. ... I grabbed one arm, some other kid grabbed one arm and we grabbed her legs and stuff. Then we all took turns getting on her, getting on top of her. ... I just like, my penis wasn't in her. I didn't do nothing to her ... I was just doing it so everybody ... Everybody would just like, would know I did it."

There was other incriminating evidence, all of which is being ignored by the media and PBS documentarians.

Melody Jackson, whose brother was friends with defendant Kharey Wise, testified -- reluctantly -- that she talked to Wise by phone when he was at Rikers Island and that he told her that he didn't rape the jogger, he "only held her legs down while Kevin (Richardson) f--ked her." She originally volunteered this information to the police thinking it would be helpful to Wise.

(The District Attorney's report that recommended vacating the sentences described the above exchange as: "Wise replied that he had not had sex with her, but had only held and fondled the victim's leg.")

Other neighborhood witnesses provided various corroborating details to the police, such as one who said Kevin Richardson told him, "We just raped somebody," and another who heard Raymond Santana and another boy laughing about how "we made a woman bleed."

Two witnesses independently told police they saw several of the defendants walking from the 102nd Street traverse area where the jogger was raped. One said he realized the significance of that fact only when he saw where the memorial to the jogger in the park was.

When Raymond Santana was being driven to the precinct the night of the wilding, he blurted out: "I had nothing to do with the rape. All I did was feel the woman's tits." Wait! Who said anything about rape? The cops had not asked him about any rape.

Two of the defendants, Santana and Richardson, independently brought investigators to the precise location of the attack on the jogger, something only the perpetrators could have known.

The evidence against Richardson also included his vivid description of the attack -- given on videotape, in the presence of his father -- and a deep scratch wound on his cheek that he admitted was from the jogger. Oh, also -- the crotch of the underwear from the night of the attack was stained with semen, grass, dirt and debris.

Contrary to media reports, there was hair, blood or semen on all five of the defendants.

In the opposite of a rush to judgment, two multi-ethnic juries deliberated for 10 days and 11 days, respectively, before convicting the five defendants of rape or sexual abuse -- as well as the other assaults that night, incomprehensibly vacated by Justice Tejada -- and acquitting all but one on the most serious charge, attempted murder.
 
Well they did rape and beat her

TRY to catch up, Frank. No, they didn't. The actual perp --- who was not among them --- not only confessed and accurately described the scene of the crime but he was also matched by DNA with that found on the victim. DNA which matched none of the CP Five. "None" as in Zero.

He's in prison where he belongs. He committed multiple rapes and murders.

By Rump's logic ---- he should be set free. Imagine that.
Your assumption that he was the only one guilty is where you prove you're a dumbass. The evidence against the Central Park 5 was pretty much indisputable. The had blood from the victim all over them. All the evidence against them is laid out in another post. Read it before you prove your idiocy again.
 
Well they did rape and beat her

TRY to catch up, Frank. No, they didn't. The actual perp --- who was not among them --- not only confessed and accurately described the scene of the crime but he was also matched by DNA with that found on the victim. DNA which matched none of the CP Five. "None" as in Zero.

He's in prison where he belongs. He committed multiple rapes and murders.

By Rump's logic ---- he should be set free. Imagine that.
Your assumption that he was the only one guilty is where you prove you're a dumbass. The evidence against the Central Park 5 was pretty much indisputable. The had blood from the victim all over them. All the evidence against them is laid out in another post. Read it before you prove your idiocy again.

:lol:

You posted an Ann Coulter blog, Finger boi. Who apparently doesn't believe in DNA except when it's convenient.

You be sure to come back when you find a legitimate news source though.


One thing I didn't mention --- the city of New York, the same city that originally prosecuted them with coerced "confessions" ----- saw enough evidence to the contrary that they paid the five over 40 million bucks in settlement. Rump called that a disgrace of course. What?? Pay innocent black people for taking away the formative years of their lives?

Well we all know it was more because (a) Rump was the driving force behind the rush to judgment --- which makes him, in his own terms a Yuuuge Loozuh, and (b) that's 40 million bucks he didn't get to scam.
 
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