The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Frannie]

No,
They Had Two

Actually, when they dropped the first bomb, they only had 1. So, if you say they had two. .because the second was almost operational in a few days, then you can say they had 15, as the same is true of the other 13 bombs.

In reality, it is even more correct to say they had about as many as they wanted.

No the fuel had to be refined, it was not unlimited.

But you keep on farting

 

[Unkotare]

They only had two bombs, they d

When they dropped the first bomb, they only had one bomb. The second was not operational until after the hiroshima bombing. And a third bomb was almost operational. And 12 more were in the works and could be ready within a couple weeks. So, really, they had 15 bombs, if they had 2.


And, if it didn't work over the city, the difference is...?

Then they should have waited and dropped 15

Why?

 

[Unkotare]

How many of those reading this, would not be here if Truman has not used the bombs and ordered the invasion of Japan?

Those are not necessarily the only two options (nuking the cities, invading). We could have dropped one in a more remote area. The japanese scientiats would have gotten the picture.

The attack on Pearl Harbor (very bad decision) was of course understood as an instigation to war, and war is always terrible, but it is worth remembering that Pearl Harbor was a military base (and not even in one of the United States) while the only two atomic bombs in existence at the time were dropped on civilian centers clearly and deliberately to incinerate women, children, and the elderly in an essentially defeated nation.

Correct. I do understand it. We were tired of losing our children.

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable, the war might have ended much sooner, saving the lives of many thousands of US servicemen.

 

[Picaro]

How many of those reading this, would not be here if Truman has not used the bombs and ordered the invasion of Japan?

Those are not necessarily the only two options (nuking the cities, invading). We could have dropped one in a more remote area. The japanese scientists would have gotten the picture.

We could have put flowers in our hair, rolled up a bunch of joints, and walked in singing folk songs.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable,

Leaving the Emperor in place was pretty much untenable. But, given pearl harbor, we should have agreed, then put him to death or in prison anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable,

Leaving the Emperor in place was pretty much untenable. ....

Evidently not.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How many of those reading this, would not be here if Truman has not used the bombs and ordered the invasion of Japan?

Those are not necessarily the only two options (nuking the cities, invading). We could have dropped one in a more remote area. The japanese scientiats would have gotten the picture.

The attack on Pearl Harbor (very bad decision) was of course understood as an instigation to war, and war is always terrible, but it is worth remembering that Pearl Harbor was a military base (and not even in one of the United States) while the only two atomic bombs in existence at the time were dropped on civilian centers clearly and deliberately to incinerate women, children, and the elderly in an essentially defeated nation.

Correct. I do understand it. We were tired of losing our children.

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable, the war might have ended much sooner, saving the lives of many thousands of US servicemen.

I have REPEATEDLY ASK you for a link to a credible source for that claim. The overtures to the Soviet Union were a Ceasefire, return to 41 start lines NO concessions in China and no disarmament or occupation. Keep lying it suits you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable,

Leaving the Emperor in place was pretty much untenable. ....

Evidently not.

Right, I see what you are saying. I should have been more clear.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The military rulers of Japan were committed to total war. They were training their children to kill invaders with bamboo lances. They had made the decision that they preferred death of the entire nation before dishonor (surrender). In fact, even after they surrendered, the Japanese government never used that word until the early 1950's in talking to their own citizens. They referred to the end of the war as having "agreed to peace terms" with the USA. They had not been defeated in 1000 years. The emperor recorded the capitulation statement for broadcast the following day, and had to lock it in a safe under guard, for fear that their would be a coup and it would be destroyed before it was broadcast. There was such a coup, which resulted in many killings, but still failed.

In addition to all of the above, LeMay's fire bombings had killed more civilians than both atomic bombs together, with no impact whatsoever on the Japanese rulers toward making a decision to surrender.

 

[Markle]

Being a conservative republican I have no doubt you OPPOSED the DEMOCRAT war and gave your full support to HITLER and the NAZIS.

YOU conservatives are evil fuck faced murderers who LOVE to blow up cities full of old men, old women and children.

 

[Unkotare]

How many of those reading this, would not be here if Truman has not used the bombs and ordered the invasion of Japan?

Those are not necessarily the only two options (nuking the cities, invading). We could have dropped one in a more remote area. The japanese scientiats would have gotten the picture.

The attack on Pearl Harbor (very bad decision) was of course understood as an instigation to war, and war is always terrible, but it is worth remembering that Pearl Harbor was a military base (and not even in one of the United States) while the only two atomic bombs in existence at the time were dropped on civilian centers clearly and deliberately to incinerate women, children, and the elderly in an essentially defeated nation.

Correct. I do understand it. We were tired of losing our children.

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable, the war might have ended much sooner, saving the lives of many thousands of US servicemen.

I have REPEATEDLY ASK you for a link to a credible source for that claim. .......

Mountains of evidence have been provided on many previous threads, you doddering old fool. You just revert to Rain Man mode again and again.

 

[Unkotare]

The conditions offered ended up being the same ones we accepted after fdr got his wish in hell.

 

[Unkotare]

for an idiot.....

so we had to nuke 2 cities full of grand parents and children because they didn't have a navy but t hey did have an army so we couldn't nuke the army because we needed them to say "UNCLE" so we kill a whole bunch of innocent grandparents and children because CONSERVATIVES love killing people...


ok

you win

you had to kill those old people to make them say "uncle"

Uh, late breaking news, all demoRAT liberal leftist progressive garbage dumps, pull your head out of you ass so you can hear something loud and clear!!!!

The war, WW II was a Democrat war fought by Democrats. It was the DEMOCRATS THAT MADE AND DROPPED THE BOMB.

We are to place blame? Democrats killed the grandpa's and grandmas and all the little children.

You people are evil fuck faced murderers.

Being a conservative republican I have no doubt you OPPOSED the DEMOCRAT war and gave your full support to HITLER and the NAZIS.

YOU conservatives are evil fuck faced murderers who LOVE to blow up cities full of old men, old women and children.

Then why was it the democrats who dropped the bombs, just as it was democrats who threw innocent, loyal Americans into concentration camps.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In addition to all of the above, LeMay's fire bombings had killed more civilians than both atomic bombs together, with no impact whatsoever on the Japanese rulers toward making a decision to surrender.

That's part of a good argument against the necessity of the nuclear bombs...

 

[toobfreak]

The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

BULLSHIT. It wasn't until after the 2nd bomb that the emperor was convinced to surrender. Easy to speak in 20/20 hindsight almost 75 years after the fact. The truth is those bombs saved American lives and set the pattern by which all future nuclear war or the possibility of it is measured. Take your blame-America-First mentality and shove it up the cornhole.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Those are not necessarily the only two options (nuking the cities, invading). We could have dropped one in a more remote area. The japanese scientiats would have gotten the picture.

The attack on Pearl Harbor (very bad decision) was of course understood as an instigation to war, and war is always terrible, but it is worth remembering that Pearl Harbor was a military base (and not even in one of the United States) while the only two atomic bombs in existence at the time were dropped on civilian centers clearly and deliberately to incinerate women, children, and the elderly in an essentially defeated nation.

Correct. I do understand it. We were tired of losing our children.

If fdr hadn't dismissed overtures to surrender as being politically untenable, the war might have ended much sooner, saving the lives of many thousands of US servicemen.

I have REPEATEDLY ASK you for a link to a credible source for that claim. .......

Mountains of evidence have been provided on many previous threads, you doddering old fool. You just revert to Rain Man mode again and again.

No they haven't and here you are refusing to source your claims again. I source mine every time I am asked cause I am not a lying ASSHOLE that has no sources.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The conditions offered ended up being the same ones we accepted after fdr got his wish in hell.

No they were not all the Japanese offered was a cease fire return to 41 start lines NO concessions in China no disarming and no occupation. Even after an atomic Bomb they demanded that the Emperor remain God of Japan no occupation and no disarmament. I have already provided the link.

 

[22lcidw]

The Japanese were tough warriors. Taking those small pacific islands was not a pushover and we lost plenty of lives.

 

[Unkotare]

..... They were training their children to kill invaders with bamboo lances. They had made the decision that they preferred death of the entire nation before dishonor (surrender). ......

Another numbskull clinging to 74 year old propaganda that was meant for someone else in the first place.

 

[Markle]

Stupid senseless thread threw up (pun intended) by desperate Troll.

Bottom Line
Battle of Okinawa
The 82-day battle lasted from April 1 until June 22, 1945.
The battle was one of the bloodiest in the Pacific, with approximately 160,000 casualties on both sides: at least 75,000 Allied and 84,166–117,000 Japanese,[26] including drafted Okinawans wearing Japanese uniforms.[16] 149,425 Okinawans were killed, committed suicide or went missing, a significant proportion of the estimated pre-war 300,000 local population.

That horrific battle foretold the casualties to come from an invasion of the mainland.

Something no one here, in their uninformed opposition to the two bombs, have taken into account. That is the horrific impact the viciousness and brutality of the fighting. The Japanese had permeated the island with caves. Soldiers and civilians were under orders to kill anyone surrendering. Soldiers and civilians were brainwashed to such an extent that they committed suicide rather than surrender. Women slashed the throats of their children before leaping to their own death from the cliffs.

Soldiers would not come out of the caves even there was no hope of escape. US soldiers were forced to go cave to cave using either flame throwers or grenades to kill the folks they knew would not and did not surrender. This was not just a few but had to be done hundreds of times by individual soldiers. None of the anti-bomb psudo-outraged folks here care to consider that impact.

On Monday, August 6, 1945, at 8:15 a.m., the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on Hiroshima.

Japan refused to surrender.

Nuclear strike (August 9, 1945) on Nagasaki.

Vote to surrender is a tie with Emperor Hirohito himself breaking the tie.

The surrender of Imperial Japan was announced by Hirohito on August 15 and formally signed on September 2, 1945, bringing the hostilities of World War II to a close.

BOTTOM LINE, the bombs ended the war and saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives.
QED