The religion of Paul, not Yeshua (Jesus)

[kjw47]

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Doesn't sound like much of a plan. "OK, fuck it then, I'm taking my show on the road". Why did it take Paul to recognize it when Jesus' disciples didn't?

Recognize what? Peter worked with Paul--Peter knew exactly what Jesus taught, so then obviously Paul was teaching truth or Peter would have corrected him, ce of correction was Paul correcting Peter on a matter.

 

[Iceweasel]

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Doesn't sound like much of a plan. "OK, fuck it then, I'm taking my show on the road". Why did it take Paul to recognize it when Jesus' disciples didn't?

Recognize what? Peter worked with Paul--Peter knew exactly what Jesus taught, so then obviously Paul was teaching truth or Peter would have corrected him, ce of correction was Paul correcting Peter on a matter.

So you know nothing of the competing theories and the rift in the early church? Paul had to argue his case. I won't quote the whole article but...

Galatians 2 Commentary - The Conflict in Antioch - BibleGateway.com
The Conflict in Antioch


The next episode in Paul's autobiography presents a painful contrast to the heartwarming expression of unity in the Jerusalem conference. Having just heard about the "right hand of fellowship" extended in verse 9, we now read in verse 11 that Paul opposed Peter to his face in Antioch.

How could such a conflict occur between Paul and Peter after they had reached an agreement to support one another? Some early church leaders (Origen, Chrysostom and Jerome) could not believe that this conflict really occurred. They explained that Paul and Peter must have staged the conflict to illustrate the issues at stake. Augustine, however, interpreted the story as a genuine conflict in which Paul established the higher claim of the truth of the gospel over the rank and office of Peter.

Augustine was right. Paul was willing to endure the pain of conflict with Peter in order to defend the truth of the gospel. To understand the nature of the conflict and the issues involved, we will observe how the drama developed in four stages: (1) Peter's practice of eating with the Gentile Christians, (2) Peter's separation from Gentile Christians after the arrival of the delegation from James because of his fear of the circumcision group, (3) the separation of the other Jewish Christians from Gentile Christians because of Peter's influence, and (4) Paul's rebuke.Peter's Practice of Eating with the Gentile Christians (2:12)

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

 

[irosie91]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

you are a follower -----NOT OF PAUL OR OF THE MYTHOLOGICAL MATTHEW OR JESUS------but of CONSTANTINE----EMPEROR OF THE FIRST REICH

You are in error. My teachers throw away the teachings that came out of those councils--They have fixed the errors in translation. Jesus' teachings contradict false council teachings and translating errors.

who are your teachers and what is the name of your religion?

 

[kjw47]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

 

[kjw47]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

you are a follower -----NOT OF PAUL OR OF THE MYTHOLOGICAL MATTHEW OR JESUS------but of CONSTANTINE----EMPEROR OF THE FIRST REICH

You are in error. My teachers throw away the teachings that came out of those councils--They have fixed the errors in translation. Jesus' teachings contradict false council teachings and translating errors.

who are your teachers and what is the name of your religion?

Jehovah witness.

 

[irosie91]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

you are a follower -----NOT OF PAUL OR OF THE MYTHOLOGICAL MATTHEW OR JESUS------but of CONSTANTINE----EMPEROR OF THE FIRST REICH

You are in error. My teachers throw away the teachings that came out of those councils--They have fixed the errors in translation. Jesus' teachings contradict false council teachings and translating errors.

who are your teachers and what is the name of your religion?

Jehovah witness.

oh.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

 

[irosie91]

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

john is nonsense---so true-----MARK? not clear----actually a greek---Luke---another greek who never met Jesus and Matthew----NO ONE KNOW WHO HE WAS

 

[kjw47]

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

 

[kjw47]

To begin with. They were Gods chosen ones until they sent Gods son to his death and rejected his truths and the new covenant he brought.

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

John is crap, written 70 to 100 years after Jesus died. Never use it.

 

[Indeependent]

Maybe the good Rev. will take this one on?

"Today the concept of “Jewish Christians” may sound like a confusion of two religions. However, to understand the origin of Christianity, one must begin with the population of Jewish Christians who lived during Jesus’ lifetime. In the November/December 2012 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Dead Sea Scrolls and early Christianity scholar Geza Vermes explores the origin of Christianity by examining the characteristics of the Jewish Jesus movement to see how it developed into a distinctly gentile religion.

In the New Testament, Jesus only preaches to a Jewish audience. Geza Vermes describes the mission of the 11 apostles to preach to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) as a “‘post-Resurrection’ idea.” After the crucifixion, the apostles began to champion a new faith in Jesus and the ranks of the Jesus movement (known as “the Way” at the time) swelled to 3,000 Jewish converts. At first, these followers were distinctly Jewish, following Mosaic law, Temple traditions and dietary customs.

Geza Vermes writes that “Acts identifies the demographic watershed regarding the composition of the Jesus movement. It began around 40 C.E. with the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece. With them the Jewish monopoly in the new movement came to an end. Jewish and gentile Christianity was born.”
The Origin of Christianity - Biblical Archaeology Society


"The combined expression “Jewish Christian,” made up of two seemingly contradictory concepts, must strike readers not specially trained in theology or religious history as an oxymoron. For how can someone simultaneously be a follower of both Moses and Jesus? Yet at the beginning of the Christian movement, in the first hundred years of the post-Jesus era, encounters with Jewish Christians (also called Judeo-Christians) distinguishable from gentile Christians were a daily occurrence both in the Holy Land and in the diaspora.

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime. The mission of the 11 apostles to “all the nations” (Matthew 28:19) is a “post-Resurrection” idea. It appears to be of Pauline inspiration and is nowhere else found in the Gospels (apart from the spurious longer ending of Mark [Mark 16:15], which is missing from all the older manuscriptsa). Jesus’ own perspective was exclusively Jewish; he was concerned only with Jews."
From Jewish to Gentile | The BAS Library

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I see, so, Jesus came only for the Jews then?

Supposedly, but it's hard to feed bullshit to people who spend their entire lifetime studying Torah, so Paul took the bullshit to the Greeks and Romans who were, at least for a while, looking for a religion that wasn't so deterministic, at least until The Gospel According to John Lennon came along.
You see, the Romans are HOOKED on Determinism.

 

[Indeependent]

The followers of Jesus left the Israelite religion because they were cut off of being Gods chosen( Matt 23:37-39)
Jesus came to help the Jewish--they rejected him and sent him to be killed--- the door then opened to the rest of mankind, after the rejection( last straw)-- Matt 23 explains how God feels about them now-- a new religion was started( spiritual Israel)--they serve the God of Israel=YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God, and accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Doesn't sound like much of a plan. "OK, fuck it then, I'm taking my show on the road". Why did it take Paul to recognize it when Jesus' disciples didn't?

Recognize what? Peter worked with Paul--Peter knew exactly what Jesus taught, so then obviously Paul was teaching truth or Peter would have corrected him, ce of correction was Paul correcting Peter on a matter.

I don't know if you noticed, but Peter was severely learning disabled; which was what Jesus needed in order to pull of his perversion of Torah.

 

[irosie91]

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

'

If Jesus "knew it" why did he keep it a secret ----so that the idea appears ONLY
in the writings of an unknown person writing under the Nom de Plume "john"----
writings that were clearly done by SEVERAL different people-----who never met Jesus

 

[irosie91]

Yeshua didn't think he was God's son, or God. The Messiah of the Jews, that he thought.

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

"the one who sent him" ??? he was SENT? ------that would make him
an angel------entities "sent" are not 'god' The books written by the
mythological JOHN------are written in GREEK-----Jesus did not speak greek
if we are to assume that the NT contains factual information------whoever wrote
the books attributed to John-----seems very confused to me

 

[kjw47]

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

"the one who sent him" ??? he was SENT? ------that would make him
an angel------entities "sent" are not 'god' The books written by the
mythological JOHN------are written in GREEK-----Jesus did not speak greek
if we are to assume that the NT contains factual information------whoever wrote
the books attributed to John-----seems very confused to me

You are right--an angel--Michael came down here( Daniel 12:4)--not God. A trinity was created at the councils of Catholicism=2Thess 2:3)--its trinities mistranslating errors to fit false council teachings that has caused all the confusion--afterall they are a divided house that will not stand( Mark 3:24-26)

 

[kjw47]

Jesus, healed blind people, people who couldn't walk, raised Lazarus from the dead---Yes he knew exactly who he was--Gods son, the Messiah, but not God.

Nonsense. Read Matthew, Mark, and Luke not John. John is BS.

Why do you say that?

Because Jesus didn't believe himself to be what you believe him to be, the Son of God. He was, he thought wrongly, the Jewish Messiah. That is nothing like the same.

Jesus knew exactly who he was.
At John 17:1-6,26---Jesus taught--the one who sent him( John 5:30=Father) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD-- and one must know him and know Jesus to get eternal life--verse 6= Jehovah, 26= Jehovah

so obviously Jesus knew.

'

If Jesus "knew it" why did he keep it a secret ----so that the idea appears ONLY
in the writings of an unknown person writing under the Nom de Plume "john"----
writings that were clearly done by SEVERAL different people-----who never met Jesus

God inspired the words through men in the bible.

 

[hangover]

During his days of preaching, Jesus of Nazareth addressed only Jews, “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 10:5; 15:24). His disciples were expressly instructed not to approach gentiles or Samaritans (Matthew 10:5). On the few occasions that Jesus ventured beyond the boundaries of his homeland, he never proclaimed his gospel to pagans, nor did his disciples do so during his lifetime.

There are eighteen years of Jesus life that are not recorded in the NT. But those days were recorded by the Buddhists. Jesus tomb is in Kashmir After he was crucified, he married Marry and traveled back there where he lived to be 102. Marry died on the way back.

The Lost Years of Jesus in Tibet