The Stupidity and Immorality of the new O/T Regs

DGS49

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“Under the new regulation…most salaried workers earning up to $47,476 a year must receive time-and-a-half overtime pay when they work more than 40 hours during a week. The previous cutoff for overtime pay, set in 2004, was $23,660.”

The presumption is that there are "millions" of people working in the private sector who are employed in positions defined by their employers as "management," which designation is near-fraudulent, and is only done in order to allow the employer to force such workers to work excess hours without paying them what they are "entitled" to. Changing this regulatory standard will magically - AT NO COST - put billions of dollars into these "supervisors'" pockets and stimulate the hell out of the economy.

Exhibit A might be a shift supervisor at a fast food restaurant, making $30k, and working, let's say, near 50 hours per week, on average. (For reference, let us note that an hourly employee making $10 per hour and working 10 hours of overtime every week would earn $28,600 per year, including O/T compensation).

To those who have actually had a Real Job in the private sector (unlike the politicians and bureaucrats who conceived and drafted this change), it is axiomatic that Exhibit A came into being because the following events took place: The Employee was offered a job or a promotion; the compensation and requirements were fully explained to her, and considering all of the options she may have had otherwise (remaining in their previous hourly position, finding a better job, remaining unemployed), she chose to take the position because, all things considered, it was the best option for her at that time in her life.

Furthermore, if after taking the position she found it intolerable, she was always free to (a) try to negotiate a better salary or working arrangements, (b) find a better job, or (c) quit, she nevertheless chose to remain in the position, week after week. The fact that she remains in that position is an indication that the position still is, all things considered, the best option for her.

At the same time, the Employer, needing to fill the shift-supervisor position, could have promoted someone else, hired someone else from outside, or somehow done a work-around so that the position could remain vacant. But the employer chose to hire or promote the incumbent, based on her abilities and the fact that she was willing to work 50 hours per week for that salary.

And now the Government comes in, with no legislative, constitutional, regulatory, or moral right to do so, and imposes an "overtime" payment obligation ON THE EMPLOYER, which could cost the Employer approximately $11,250/yr, plus payroll taxes and income based benefits - assuming the Employer calculates her hourly rate based on $30k/2080hrs/yr.

But given the fact that she is an "employee at will" (no contract of employment), the employer may very well - and quite legally - REDUCE her hourly rate so that she continues to earn $30k/yr even with the annual 520 hours of overtime compensation at time-and-a-half. Indeed, this would be the proper thing to do, given that the employee has explicitly agreed to work 50 hours per week in exchange for annual compensation of $30k.

Most rational employers will do some variation of (a) change the positions to "hourly," and (b) reduce the hourly compensation rate, so that (c) the cost of the position will remain the same.

But obviously, this is not what the O'Bamistas want. No, they want to see millions of people having their compensation increase significantly, and being eternally grateful to the O'Bamistas, while stimulating the hell out of the economy at the same time.

But as with all Lefty initiatives, they never consider (or tell us) where all of this "extra" money will come from. Out of the employer's "obscene profits"? Out of the customers' pockets?

What remains is the question of, how taking money out of the employer's and customers' pockets and putting it into selected employees' pockets "stimulates the economy." It is a mystery to me.

Ultimately, we have yet another case of the O'Bama Administration trampling on our Constitutional right to enter into legal contracts without interference from Government. Abolish the Minimum Wage, anyone?
 
One are this is going to devastate is sports coaches. It's very common among high school and college coaches to put in 60-80 hours a week and be paid a salary...usually lower than 48K. 99% of coaches aren't Nick Saban and don't work for Ohio State.

Now....the schools will have to give big pay raises to all the coaches (they won't) or pay them hourly which will result in huge OT payments (they won't). So.....we'll see how that works out.
 
One are this is going to devastate is sports coaches. It's very common among high school and college coaches to put in 60-80 hours a week and be paid a salary...usually lower than 48K. 99% of coaches aren't Nick Saban and don't work for Ohio State.

Now....the schools will have to give big pay raises to all the coaches (they won't) or pay them hourly which will result in huge OT payments (they won't). So.....we'll see how that works out.

Or pass a rule telling them to go home at the end of the day and remember its a sport that is supposed to teach character, sportsmanship, and (snicker) fair play. At least that is what I’m told by those who think sports in HS and College are important; i.e. its never about winning and losing.
 
Can somebody please tell me how this change is being effected! I've seen 10 different articles about the fact that this is happening, but none of these piece of shit news outlets can be bothered to write beyond a Weekly Reader level. What the fuck has happened to journalism? Oh, nevermind, I know what's happened. Same thing that's happened to the rest of the miserable world. Millenials' highest reasoning cognitive functions take place in their sympathetic nervous system.
 
ya, my grandson had a roller hockey game yesterday and it went into a 4 minute overtime. they scored in less than 2 minutes.
I felt cheated.
 
This is going to destroy the entire concept of flex time or accumulating extra time off. These employees won't like it when they get docked.
 
These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.
 
These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.

People go on salary for a bump in pay and know that there will be times when they will work over 40 hours just as there will be times when they might not work 40 hours

So what will happen is people will lose out on the ability to go on salary for a higher pay and will remain on hourly pay and then be told they can work no overtime at all.

So they will make less than they would have in a salaried position.

If a person wants to work for salary knowing what that the higher pay comes with the added responsibility isn't that their choice?
 
It's another example of fascism. Government control over the production and sale of goods and services. It would be bad enough if congress decided to pass a law but a decree from a lame duck president is insulting.
 
These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.

People go on salary for a bump in pay and know that there will be times when they will work over 40 hours just as there will be times when they might not work 40 hours

So what will happen is people will lose out on the ability to go on salary for a higher pay and will remain on hourly pay and then be told they can work no overtime at all.

So they will make less than they would have in a salaried position.

If a person wants to work for salary knowing what that the higher pay comes with the added responsibility isn't that their choice?
Oh, just shut up. We had no problem paying people for their true worth. We had a better product, better employees, and better profit. Sharing some of that with those people who are making our product while making us wealthy is both smart and moral.
 
One are this is going to devastate is sports coaches. It's very common among high school and college coaches to put in 60-80 hours a week and be paid a salary...usually lower than 48K. 99% of coaches aren't Nick Saban and don't work for Ohio State.

Now....the schools will have to give big pay raises to all the coaches (they won't) or pay them hourly which will result in huge OT payments (they won't). So.....we'll see how that works out.


Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, maybe they can take some of that revenue they make from ticket sales and merch to...oh IDK, pay a motherfucker?
 
One are this is going to devastate is sports coaches. It's very common among high school and college coaches to put in 60-80 hours a week and be paid a salary...usually lower than 48K. 99% of coaches aren't Nick Saban and don't work for Ohio State.

Now....the schools will have to give big pay raises to all the coaches (they won't) or pay them hourly which will result in huge OT payments (they won't). So.....we'll see how that works out.


Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, maybe they can take some of that revenue they make from ticket sales and merch to...oh IDK, pay a motherfucker?

Why the fuck are you so sexist and against woman in sports?


Don't you know that money goes towards title IX?

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These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.

People go on salary for a bump in pay and know that there will be times when they will work over 40 hours just as there will be times when they might not work 40 hours

So what will happen is people will lose out on the ability to go on salary for a higher pay and will remain on hourly pay and then be told they can work no overtime at all.

So they will make less than they would have in a salaried position.

If a person wants to work for salary knowing what that the higher pay comes with the added responsibility isn't that their choice?
Oh, just shut up. We had no problem paying people for their true worth. We had a better product, better employees, and better profit. Sharing some of that with those people who are making our product while making us wealthy is both smart and moral.

All of which has nothing to do with the topic
 
These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.

People go on salary for a bump in pay and know that there will be times when they will work over 40 hours just as there will be times when they might not work 40 hours

So what will happen is people will lose out on the ability to go on salary for a higher pay and will remain on hourly pay and then be told they can work no overtime at all.

So they will make less than they would have in a salaried position.

If a person wants to work for salary knowing what that the higher pay comes with the added responsibility isn't that their choice?
Oh, just shut up. We had no problem paying people for their true worth. We had a better product, better employees, and better profit. Sharing some of that with those people who are making our product while making us wealthy is both smart and moral.

All of which has nothing to do with the topic
The way we treated employees and their worth has everything to do with the topic. We did the right thing without having to be told to do the right thing. Do the right thing, SP.
 
These employees are going to love their extra pay.

In no way will it affect flex time.

People go on salary for a bump in pay and know that there will be times when they will work over 40 hours just as there will be times when they might not work 40 hours

So what will happen is people will lose out on the ability to go on salary for a higher pay and will remain on hourly pay and then be told they can work no overtime at all.

So they will make less than they would have in a salaried position.

If a person wants to work for salary knowing what that the higher pay comes with the added responsibility isn't that their choice?
Oh, just shut up. We had no problem paying people for their true worth. We had a better product, better employees, and better profit. Sharing some of that with those people who are making our product while making us wealthy is both smart and moral.

All of which has nothing to do with the topic
The way we treated employees and their worth has everything to do with the topic. We did the right thing without having to be told to do the right thing. Do the right thing, SP.

FYI there have always been salaried positions where people were expected to put in more than 40 hours a week at times.

You think that all these people will be paid overtime now and the fact is they wont because it would be cheaper to hire another part of full time person than to pay all the overtime. And that is what this law is designed to do: force companies to hire more part and/or full time people.

Now that salaried person will be demoted back to an hourly position and be denied overtime he won't be making any more money
 

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