Zone1 The Value of a Person

[Unkotare]

On another forum, someone started a thread about the "value" of a person. Predictably, the OP assumed it was a measure of wealth. Here is the real value of a person.

St. Bademus​

"St. Bademus (d. 376 A.D.) was a wealthy and noble citizen of Bethlapeta in Persia. Desiring to give himself completely to God, he gave away his wealth and founded a monastery where he led a life of prayer and austerity. His sanctity was known to all, and he trained his monks to progress in devotion, virtue, and love of God. One day he and seven of his monks were abducted during the Christian persecution by King Sapor of Persia. He was chained in a dungeon for four months and whipped daily for his faith. He suffered his tortures for Christ and triumphed over them with patience and joy. One day a Christian prince named Nersan was also put into the dungeon, and, seeing the torments he would endure, apostatized from the faith in order to be released. To prove his conversion, the king ordered Nersan to slay St. Bademus on the spot. Bademus, after declaring his willingness to die for Christ, also warned Nersan of the account he would have to give to God for his actions. Nersan, timid and fearful, then killed Bademus with several awkward and misplaced blows. The pagans who were present admired the abbot's holy and resigned death, while abhorring the king's cruelty. St. Bademus' feast day is April 10th."

 

[Dante]

Some people today are valued by their wealth - by those who look up to possessing wealth as a sign of _________________(fill in the blank). We see it in our culture -- rampant out-of-control consumerism, seeing value in some faux art of deal making where everything is valued as being good when in reality it's all transactional -- consumerism.

 

[BreezeWood]

"St. Bademus (d. 376 A.D.)

that's before the christian bible - may have been a true remnant of the 1st century liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - seems that way.

 

[Woodznutz]

On another forum, someone started a thread about the "value" of a person. Predictably, the OP assumed it was a measure of wealth. Here is the real value of a person.

St. Bademus​

"St. Bademus (d. 376 A.D.) was a wealthy and noble citizen of Bethlapeta in Persia. Desiring to give himself completely to God, he gave away his wealth and founded a monastery where he led a life of prayer and austerity. His sanctity was known to all, and he trained his monks to progress in devotion, virtue, and love of God. One day he and seven of his monks were abducted during the Christian persecution by King Sapor of Persia. He was chained in a dungeon for four months and whipped daily for his faith. He suffered his tortures for Christ and triumphed over them with patience and joy. One day a Christian prince named Nersan was also put into the dungeon, and, seeing the torments he would endure, apostatized from the faith in order to be released. To prove his conversion, the king ordered Nersan to slay St. Bademus on the spot. Bademus, after declaring his willingness to die for Christ, also warned Nersan of the account he would have to give to God for his actions. Nersan, timid and fearful, then killed Bademus with several awkward and misplaced blows. The pagans who were present admired the abbot's holy and resigned death, while abhorring the king's cruelty. St. Bademus' feast day is April 10th."

OTOH, "It's better to let one's candle shine than hide it beneath a bushel." Little public good comes from cloistered cultlike monastics.

 

[Votto]

Some people today are valued by their wealth - by those who look up to possessing wealth as a sign of _________________(fill in the blank). We see it in our culture -- rampant out-of-control consumerism, seeing value in some faux art of deal making where everything is valued as being good when in reality it's all transactional -- consumerism.

And we see it with Hollywood actors get up to testify to Congress, as if these Hollwood high school drop outs know anything about anything.

Yea, they have money and fame, so they must be smart, right?

Or you have an actor like George Clooney spear head the coup to remove Biden and put Kamala on the Presidential ticket.

Idiots.

 

[Dante]

that's before the christian bible - may have been a true remnant of the 1st century liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus - seems that way.

Nope. Context and nuance needed:

AI Google:
The earliest unified collection of the Christian Bible, including both the Old and New Testaments, is believed to be the Codex Sinaiticus, a Greek manuscript dating to the 4th century CE. This manuscript is considered the oldest complete copy of the Christian Bible. While the individual books of the New Testament were written in the 1st century CE, the compilation and recognition of the canon took time, with the Codex Sinaiticus representing the earliest known unified version.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

New Testament:
The earliest writings of the New Testament, like Paul's letters (around 50-60 CE), predate the Gospels. The Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) are generally believed to have been written between 65-95 CE.

Old Testament:
The Old Testament, which is the Hebrew Bible, has its origins in earlier periods. Some scholars date the earliest parts of the Old Testament to the 10th century BCE. The final redaction of the Torah (first five books of the Bible) is thought to have occurred during the Babylonian Exile (6th-5th century BCE).
Codex Sinaiticus:
This 4th-century CE manuscript contains both the Old Testament (a Greek translation called the Septuagint) and the New Testament in Greek. It is considered the earliest known complete manuscript of the Christian Bible

 

[Dante]

OTOH, "It's better to let one's candle shine than hide it beneath a bushel." Little public good comes from cloistered cultlike monastics.

Some of the greatest writing came out of monastic thought and people being anonymous in their writings (early Christian)

 

[Dante]

And we see it with Hollywood actors get up to testify to Congress, as if these Hollwood high school drop outs know anything about anything.

Yea, they have money and fame, so they must be smart, right?

Or you have an actor like George Clooney spear head the coup to remove Biden and put Kamala on the Presidential ticket.

Idiots.

Your pathetic angry one-sided partisan screed is noted

go away

 

[luiza]

On another forum, someone started a thread about the "value" of a person. Predictably, the OP assumed it was a measure of wealth. Here is the real value of a person.

St. Bademus​

"St. Bademus (d. 376 A.D.) was a wealthy and noble citizen of Bethlapeta in Persia. Desiring to give himself completely to God, he gave away his wealth and founded a monastery where he led a life of prayer and austerity. His sanctity was known to all, and he trained his monks to progress in devotion, virtue, and love of God. One day he and seven of his monks were abducted during the Christian persecution by King Sapor of Persia. He was chained in a dungeon for four months and whipped daily for his faith. He suffered his tortures for Christ and triumphed over them with patience and joy. One day a Christian prince named Nersan was also put into the dungeon, and, seeing the torments he would endure, apostatized from the faith in order to be released. To prove his conversion, the king ordered Nersan to slay St. Bademus on the spot. Bademus, after declaring his willingness to die for Christ, also warned Nersan of the account he would have to give to God for his actions. Nersan, timid and fearful, then killed Bademus with several awkward and misplaced blows. The pagans who were present admired the abbot's holy and resigned death, while abhorring the king's cruelty. St. Bademus' feast day is April 10th."

Just shows how strong Mind Control can be .

However, once you understand that Karma records and allows for everything , the fact that an individual soul might take a near eternity of time to learn a lesson is of near zero consequence to Universe and its self awareness , as it progresses for eternity .

 

[Unkotare]

Just shows how strong Mind Control can be .
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[Woodznutz]

Also depends on if value is objective or subjective.

 

[jwoodie]

Christianity's greatest contribution to civilization was recognizing the value of the individual soul.

 

[Unkotare]

St. Hunna​

St. Hunna (d. 679 A.D.) was born in Alsace, France. She was the virtuous daughter of a duke, and she married a similarly virtuous nobleman. Hunna and her husband did not indulge in unnecessary luxuries according to their high state in life, and instead detached themselves from their riches by opening their home to the poor and assisting them in their need. St. Deodatus, a bishop who resigned from his See, came to live with the holy couple for a time. St. Hunna and her husband greatly profited from his religious instruction and grew in sanctity as a result. When Hunna bore a son, she named him after St. Deodatus. This child, raised by such holy parents, later joined a monastery and also became a saint. After her husband's death Hunna continued to spend her life serving the poor, especially women. No task was too menial for her. She tended to the poor and the sick and regularly, including their laundry and mending, even to the point of exhaustion. For this she was nicknamed the "Holy Washerwoman." She also gave away her wealth and property to build churches and monasteries. So many miracles were attributed to her that Pope Leo X canonized her in 1520. St. Hunna is the patron saint of laundresses and her feast day is April 15.

 

[BreezeWood]

- may have been a true remnant of the 1st century liberation theology, self determination as taught by jesus -

Nope. Context and nuance needed:

where fort art they your context and nuance -

Desiring to give himself completely to God ... He suffered his tortures for Christ

after rereading ... the 4th century christian bible is unnecessarily interceded - that must be your context and nuance. no where what jesus taught.