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Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
If someone can show me the part of the US Constitution that grants power to congress to legislate a public option for healthcare, fine. But it ain't in there.
I haven't expressed any belief on them. In fact, I specifically seperate them out from the Republicans. They are, however, a predominantly rightwing group and that is based on the stances they take, not "talking points".
Well duh....I'm trying to MAKE a point aren't I? So naturally I will choose evidence to prove my point. That's the whole point of a debate, yes?
For the record, my methedology (such as it was) consisted of a google search with the just the words "public option" and "poll" and the picked the first handful of polls that showed any sort of legitimacy (ie not a My Quiz facebook poll). Pew, I might add - is a pretty respected non-partisan polling source and I specifically searched for Pew data when precisely for that reason. If you are disatisfied with the polls I chose- feel free to add more data that counters them. Thus far the only polling source has been presented that contradicts the multiple sources I submitted is Rassmussen.
I don't place much credence in a GoP poll - I simply found it interesting that a recent poll of theirs came out opposite of their chosen stance. Don't you find that interesting? I don't place much credence in Demoratic Party polls either.
Because it has not been proven that the majority of the people feel it is important.Good point. However, it doesn't answer the question as to why the people proclaiming themselves to be the voice of the people are not advocating for something the majority of the people feel is important - a public option.
Maybe they don't really speak for the people but rather for their own special interest groups
This seems like a nice spot to step in and say that the Republicans and Tea Parties are completely powerless in this health care debate. The Democrats have basically said that they'll pass this without republican support.
So, who exactly were the ones to take the public option out?
And here is your answer.Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
If someone can show me the part of the US Constitution that grants power to congress to legislate a public option for healthcare, fine. But it ain't in there.
That's always been the lamest of lame arguments. The US Code (law) is comprised of 50 titles (topics), each containing anywhere from one to several hundred volumes per title, amounting to thousands of pages. Is everything in those volumes specifically found in the Constitution?
Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
Please tell me how a minority without the option of the fillibuster was able to prevent a bill with a public option.
Please tell me how they were able to prevent any legislation?
Well since the government already provides "coverage for those who can't afford it" (via Medicaid) that just leaves the 35% of lackwits that are oblivious to the governments track record.Here's one poll for you regarding the "public option"
Toplines - Health Care - July 14-15, 2009 - Rasmussen Reports
See Question #2
And if it was so damn popular why was it the first thing jettisoned by the Senate and the President? Most Americans realize that the last thing we need is another competition destroying, bottomless government money pit like Medicare has become.
Yet, look at these polls:
This was a GoP poll (June 2009)
From the article in that link
Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan
SurveyUSA's poll, which was commissioned by the progressive group MoveOn.org, a proponent of the public plan, gives credence to those critiques. While arguments about what type of language best describe the public option persist --"choice" is considered a trigger word that everyone naturally supports -- it seems clear that the framing of the provision goes a long way toward determining its popularity.
Bing....
Doesn't even show what question(s) were asked to generate these numbers (the one I linked DOES).
Bang ....
Same as your first link, you linked it twice
Bop....
This one doesn't even say what poll it's sighting let alone the details of the questions asked to derive the data.
Bam ...
Really? Go back and take another look there's NO AMBIGUITY as to the question that was asked since it's right there in the link I gave you.
Who says it has to be set up like Medicare?
What makes you trust the government enough to think that it won't end up in the same boat because it certainly can't be the governments TRACK RECORD, in case it's escaped your notice it's government that has caused the majority of the problems that it's supposedly trying to address in the current health care system which is rather convenient for the political elites and the special interests don't you think?
The people are shouting loud and clear what they want, they don't want the government is currently trying to force down there throats, whether you choose to listen to them or not is up to you but the politicians in Washington had better listen.Either way though - we're talking about what people want and who is or is not listening to them.
Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
No there isn't - I challenge you to prove your assertion. Most people do not want a "public option". There is a small lunatic fringe of far left wackjobs that want a government take over of heatlhcare via the "public option" or single payer program. The overwhelming majority of people prefer a sane and measured approach. Starting with tort reform, portability of benefits, competition across state lines, and insurance reform. We can do this, and we don't need to spend trillions of dollars and create a new entitlement program.
If this debacle called "healthcare reform" were truly the will of the people, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. A guy just ran clearly AGAINST it and won Ted Kennedy's old seat who was clearly FOR it when he was alive.. in a fairly liberal state at that.
Didn't know if you got that memo yet.
Ooo...Almost got a little honesty there....Well since the government already provides "coverage for those who can't afford it" (via Medicaid) that just leaves the 35% of lackwits that are oblivious to the governments track record.Yet, look at these polls:
This was a GoP poll (June 2009)
From the article in that link
Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan
SurveyUSA's poll, which was commissioned by the progressive group MoveOn.org, a proponent of the public plan, gives credence to those critiques. While arguments about what type of language best describe the public option persist --"choice" is considered a trigger word that everyone naturally supports -- it seems clear that the framing of the provision goes a long way toward determining its popularity.
Bing....
Doesn't even show what question(s) were asked to generate these numbers (the one I linked DOES).
Bang ....
Same as your first link, you linked it twice
Bop....
This one doesn't even say what poll it's sighting let alone the details of the questions asked to derive the data.
Bam ...
Really? Go back and take another look there's NO AMBIGUITY as to the question that was asked since it's right there in the link I gave you.
What makes you trust the government enough to think that it won't end up in the same boat because it certainly can't be the governments TRACK RECORD, in case it's escaped your notice it's government that has caused the majority of the problems that it's supposedly trying to address in the current health care system which is rather convenient for the political elites and the special interests don't you think?
The people are shouting loud and clear what they want, they don't want the government is currently trying to force down there throats, whether you choose to listen to them or not is up to you but the politicians in Washington had better listen.Either way though - we're talking about what people want and who is or is not listening to them.
Bottom line on the people's voices on health care is this. If you look at all the polling here (scroll down to the bottom and click on "earlier reports"), you can clearly see that at the outset the American people overwhelming wanted some kind of health care reform resurrected, but once the right wing noise machine began its momentum, it met with the usual death.
Health Policy
Ooo...Almost got a little honesty there....Well since the government already provides "coverage for those who can't afford it" (via Medicaid) that just leaves the 35% of lackwits that are oblivious to the governments track record.
From the article in that link
Earlier in the week, after pollsters for NBC dropped the word "choice" from their question on a public option, they found that only 43 percent of the public were in favor of "creating a public health care plan
SurveyUSA's poll, which was commissioned by the progressive group MoveOn.org, a proponent of the public plan, gives credence to those critiques. While arguments about what type of language best describe the public option persist --"choice" is considered a trigger word that everyone naturally supports -- it seems clear that the framing of the provision goes a long way toward determining its popularity.
Bing....
Doesn't even show what question(s) were asked to generate these numbers (the one I linked DOES).
Bang ....
Same as your first link, you linked it twice
Bop....
This one doesn't even say what poll it's sighting let alone the details of the questions asked to derive the data.
Bam ...
Really? Go back and take another look there's NO AMBIGUITY as to the question that was asked since it's right there in the link I gave you.
What makes you trust the government enough to think that it won't end up in the same boat because it certainly can't be the governments TRACK RECORD, in case it's escaped your notice it's government that has caused the majority of the problems that it's supposedly trying to address in the current health care system which is rather convenient for the political elites and the special interests don't you think?
The people are shouting loud and clear what they want, they don't want the government is currently trying to force down there throats, whether you choose to listen to them or not is up to you but the politicians in Washington had better listen.
Bottom line on the people's voices on health care is this. If you look at all the polling here (scroll down to the bottom and click on "earlier reports"), you can clearly see that at the outset the American people overwhelming wanted some kind of health care reform resurrected, but once the right wing noise machine began its momentum, it met with the usual death.
Health Policy
The American people want health care, yes. They have bought into the load of crap that has been sold to them regarding a need to reform it.
Okay...that is the way it goes in America.
So, the American people want health care. What the Democrats have right now is anything BUT health care reform.
The GOP and most everyone on these forums are saying, scrap the POS that they have now and start talking about real reform. Reform that includes the ideas of the GOP (Yes, they had plenty of them) and reform that does NOT take over 1/6 of the U.S. Economy.
To say that the GOP is flat out against health reform is a lie.
Aye. What was it that the left called it when we first went into Afghanistan? Mission creep?Ooo...Almost got a little honesty there....Bottom line on the people's voices on health care is this. If you look at all the polling here (scroll down to the bottom and click on "earlier reports"), you can clearly see that at the outset the American people overwhelming wanted some kind of health care reform resurrected, but once the right wing noise machine began its momentum, it met with the usual death.
Health Policy
The American people want health care, yes. They have bought into the load of crap that has been sold to them regarding a need to reform it.
Okay...that is the way it goes in America.
So, the American people want health care. What the Democrats have right now is anything BUT health care reform.
The GOP and most everyone on these forums are saying, scrap the POS that they have now and start talking about real reform. Reform that includes the ideas of the GOP (Yes, they had plenty of them) and reform that does NOT take over 1/6 of the U.S. Economy.
To say that the GOP is flat out against health reform is a lie.
Well, the issue started out as health care reform, then it evolved into health care insurance reform. So I think there are two separate issues here.
Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
Lately, the rhetoric has been about "listening to the people" and how a majority of "the people" are being ignored. The self-appointed spokesmen for "the people" appear to be the Tea Party Movement and, as part of a new chapter in rightwing talking points - the GoP.
In poll after poll, a consistently high majority is in favor of some form of public option in health care. Yet , the Republicans (through legislative digging in of heels) and the Tea Partiers (through desruptive and misleading rhetoric) have consistently denied "the people" any chance of this option being realized.
Why is the will of "the people" being ignored? Is it only the will of a special interest minority you listen to?
No there isn't - I challenge you to prove your assertion. Most people do not want a "public option". There is a small lunatic fringe of far left wackjobs that want a government take over of heatlhcare via the "public option" or single payer program. The overwhelming majority of people prefer a sane and measured approach. Starting with tort reform, portability of benefits, competition across state lines, and insurance reform. We can do this, and we don't need to spend trillions of dollars and create a new entitlement program.
Numerous polls have been posted in this thread that prove you wrong. Every poll taken, with the exception of one Rassmussen poll from last June, shows that. So unless you can prove your assertion, you fail.
Ooo...Almost got a little honesty there....Bottom line on the people's voices on health care is this. If you look at all the polling here (scroll down to the bottom and click on "earlier reports"), you can clearly see that at the outset the American people overwhelming wanted some kind of health care reform resurrected, but once the right wing noise machine began its momentum, it met with the usual death.
Health Policy
The American people want health care, yes. They have bought into the load of crap that has been sold to them regarding a need to reform it.
Okay...that is the way it goes in America.
So, the American people want health care. What the Democrats have right now is anything BUT health care reform.
The GOP and most everyone on these forums are saying, scrap the POS that they have now and start talking about real reform. Reform that includes the ideas of the GOP (Yes, they had plenty of them) and reform that does NOT take over 1/6 of the U.S. Economy.
To say that the GOP is flat out against health reform is a lie.
Well, the issue started out as health care reform, then it evolved into health care insurance reform. So I think there are two separate issues here.
