Questions for Kamara supporters

[Thunderbird]

I thought you liked facts? Guess not.

Where’d you get that graph from?

Why did you run from my question? Do you deny that Trump initiated that policy?

 

[Redfish]

Half of what you've just said is blatant bullshit, the other is just bullshit.

Biden does not run specific cities and states, he heads the Federal government.

enforcement of our borders is the responsibility of the federal government. Welfare, SS, etc are federal programs funded by our tax dollars.. The only bullshit here is your constant ignorant defense of dem/lib policies that are destroying our nation.

 

[Redfish]

I thought you liked facts? Guess not.

If you overlay that chart with the numbers of illegal entries, you might understand the issue, but I doubt it.

 

[Redfish]

I've already explained, nobody supports open borders or transitioning to socialist economy. It's just strawmen fallacies by stupid ignoramuses like you.

Kamala supports those things, she has stated her support many times,

 

[Redfish]

When illegal immigrants got into US and were not deported under Trump, did that also mean he "failed to stop illegals at the border, failed to deport illegals" like all presidents before him?

When he killed the bipartisan Deport More bill did he encourage illegal immigration?

...or do all these arguments you are making apply only to politicians you don't happen to like?

It has to do with the total numbers of illegal border crossings and allowing the huge numbers of illegals to remain in our country, if you think those numbers were equal, or even close, when Trump was in office, then you are more ignorant that we thought. Face it, the dem policy on illegals has always been to let them in and turn them into dem voters, because they know they cannot win with only Americans voting.

 

[JoeB131]

Instead of anecdotes let’s look at the facts.

And shouldn’t we give credit to Trump for Title 42?

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/24/1094070784/title-42-policy-meaning

That just counts deporations, not all removals..

The main reason why deportations went down was that the Immigration courts were largely dismantled by Trump and human reptile Steven Miller.

 

[beagle9]

So you want credit to Trump while you shit on Biden for the same Title 42 enforcement?

How are you so oblivious to your bias and double standards?

Ignoring what Biden did when he walked into the office trying to pander and appease the leftist radical wing of the Democrat party has had a tragic effect on this nation and it's people. BIDEN has been alleged to be in the pocket of the CCP, and you know what them bastards did to us with that Covid...

The timing on Covid was highly suspicious, because the Democrat's had exhausted every means in their play book trying to take Trump down, then comes Covid. The CCP if were in the pockets or was padding the pockets of the Democrat machine, and Trump was causing the CCP some huge headaches in trade trying to make it fair for America, makes me think that anything was possible considering all that was in play at the time.

American's beware. A lot of crazy going on in this country these day's, so don't buy into the snake oil stocks so quickly. Use your head's, and never forget.

 

[AntonToo]

Kamala supports those things, she has stated her support many times,

Well then quote her bullshit peddler.

 

[AntonToo]

Ignoring what Biden did when he walked into the office trying to pander and appease the leftist radical wing of the Democrat party has had a tragic effect on this nation and it's people. BIDEN has been alleged to be in the pocket of the CCP, and you know what them bastards did to us with that Covid...

The timing on Covid was highly suspicious, because the Democrat's had exhausted every means in their play book trying to take Trump down, then comes Covid. The CCP if were in the pockets or was padding the pockets of the Democrat machine, and Trump was causing the CCP some huge headaches in trade trying to make it fair for America, makes me think that anything was possible considering all that was in play at the time.

American's beware. A lot of crazy going on in this country these day's, so don't buy into the snake oil stocks so quickly. Use your head's, and never forget.

? That’s a lot of words to not address anything of what you’ve quoted.

Like Trump admin, Biden admin enforced Title 42, removed millions under it and you are just too far gone to be able to acknowledge it.

 

[AntonToo]

If you overlay that chart with the numbers of illegal entries, you might understand the issue, but I doubt it.

You are effect arguing that it’s Biden’s fault people try to get in when unemployment is low, pay is high and violence in their countries is getting out of control.

Which is silly.

 

[Thunderbird]

That just counts deporations, not all removals..

The main reason why deportations went down was that the Immigration courts were largely dismantled by Trump and human reptile Steven Miller.

So you are blaming Trump and Miller for policies that occurred under Biden?

 

[JoeB131]

So you are blaming Trump and Miller for policies that occurred under Biden?

I'm pointing out that the aparatus for processing these cases quickly were dismantled by Trump and Miller. You can't rebuild that infrastructure once the experts have moved on to other fields.

So instead of expeditiously resolving asylum cases, you have cases that drag out for 4-7 years without resolution.

 

[Thunderbird]

I'm pointing out that the aparatus for processing these cases quickly were dismantled by Trump and Miller. You can't rebuild that infrastructure once the experts have moved on to other fields.

So instead of expeditiously resolving asylum cases, you have cases that drag out for 4-7 years without resolution.

Do you have any evidence for this?

 

[JoeB131]

Do you have any evidence for this?

A Timeline of the Trump Administration’s Efforts to End Asylum

Download this timeline in a PDF Download Attacks on Asylum and Litigation

immigrantjustice.org

Not that I need a link, my wife has lived this. She waited 7 years for an asylum hearing before I married her and we got a relative sponsorship instead. (And that took another year and 200 pages of documentation.)

 

[Thunderbird]

? That’s a lot of words to not address anything of what you’ve quoted.

Like Trump admin, Biden admin enforced Title 42, removed millions under it and you are just too far gone to be able to acknowledge it.

You’re not fooling anyone.

From CNN: Biden administration officials say they expected the number of migrants arriving at the US border would swell once they took office, given their drastically different approach to immigration compared to former President Donald Trump’s, but they did not anticipate a surge this big, which Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warns will likely reach a two-decade peak.

 

[JoeB131]

You’re not fooling anyone.

From CNN: Biden administration officials say they expected the number of migrants arriving at the US border would swell once they took office, given their drastically different approach to immigration compared to former President Donald Trump’s, but they did not anticipate a surge this big, which Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warns will likely reach a two-decade peak.

Yes, we got more of them because economic conditions in Venezuela and Central America have gotten so much worse.

Not sure how that's Biden's fault.

In fact, Biden has deported more people than Trump did. They're just coming in faster.

They've also learned how to game the Asylum System. Which helps because Trump let Human Reptile Steven Miller dismantle the process for sorting out these cases.

 

[Thunderbird]

A Timeline of the Trump Administration’s Efforts to End Asylum

Download this timeline in a PDF Download Attacks on Asylum and Litigation

immigrantjustice.org

Not that I need a link, my wife has lived this. She waited 7 years for an asylum hearing before I married her and we got a relative sponsorship instead. (And that took another year and 200 pages of documentation.)

So all you have is a dubious personal anecdote.

Your scenario involving court infrastructure only exists inside your head.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Not sure how that's Biden's fault.

It’s not – it’s Congress’ fault for failing to enact immigration reform.

 

[Thunderbird]

From NBC:

The president campaigned on easing immigration controls, including a moratorium on deportations, an end to former President Donald Trump’s “wait in Mexico” policy for asylum-seekers and halting construction of the border wall. That platform gave migrants good reason to believe it would be easier to get into the United States if he were elected.

Since taking office, Biden has also given them good reason to think they might be allowed to stay, as his immigration bill would offer legal status and a pathway to citizenship to much of the U.S. undocumented population.

Biden needs to admit that his eagerness to roll back Trump’s immigration policies without a meaningful plan to deal with the predictable migration increase has led to chaos at the border. While many voters wanted a kinder, gentler approach than Trump’s, Democrats cannot simply wish away the need for effective border security and immigration regulation short of declaring open borders — a deeply unpopular idea carrying numerous economic and security risks.

 

[JoeB131]

So all you have is a dubious personal anecdote.

Your scenario involving court infrastructure only exists inside your head.

I just gave you a list of things Miller and Trump did to dismantled the system, and added on a personal example.

Now, look, guy, if you want to pretend that the system isn't broken, that's fine. Just be ready to live with millions of immigrants with cases that can't be resolved.