Carl in Michigan
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America is unstoppable if we have the will. Nobody else compares.
This is why "diversity" is poison
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This is why "diversity" is poison
Marion Morrison
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Saigon?? and you tell me about facts?? hahahahahhahahahahahah'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...www.usmessageboard.com
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
we had them on their knees--that's why we lost
hahahhahahahaha
Bullshit. Proper war tactics could have won that. All that "get shot at for free" bullshit is bullshit!........just one of the main points in my thread on it is South Vietnam had 3 heads of state changes in less than 2 years!!! one with a MURDER!...do you understand what that means? it was going to be very, very difficult just to keep SV stable.....we were backing MURDERERS/etcSAIGON??? and I'M over my headSaigon?? and you tell me about facts?? hahahahahhahahahahahah'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
we had them on their knees--that's why we lost
hahahhahahahaha
I like you.
.but you're in waaaay over your head. This is common knowledge and you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's completely obvious
My bad, Hanoi.
Regardless, why did it stop?
......bombing was not going to win the war...what's your next plan?
Someone shoots at you from X spot 600 yards away? Have artillery shell the whole area.
Sooner or later it will stop.
I doubt any NVA or Viet Cong ever took 600 yard shots. Americans can do that with a rifle, though.
SassyIrishLass
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hahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
[/QUOTFranFr
hahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
Probably why they always lose.
Spineless since around 1775
harmonica
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great evidence/logic/etchahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
[/QUOTFranFrhahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
Probably why they always lose.
Spineless since around 1775
hahahahahhaha
ok, how come Russia lost in Afghanistan ? and England lost there also?
...we were not going to win in Nam.....we were not going to lose MORE lives where we didn't belong in the first place
harmonica
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...they were ready to capitulate?? please prove thatso we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
.....so we nuke China..then what? [of course, you are wrong there anyway ] .....we are going to kill millions for what?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what you just said????!!!!!!!!!
SOMEONE--anyone please explain to HFLY how he just made a MAJOR fk up.....can anyone??????????
SassyIrishLass
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great evidence/logic/etchahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
[/QUOTFranFrhahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
Probably why they always lose.
Spineless since around 1775
hahahahahhaha
ok, how come Russia lost in Afghanistan ? and England lost there also?
...we were not going to win in Nam.....we were not going to lose MORE lives where we didn't belong in the first place
There it is...yer a fcking pacifist
Go away
harmonica
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the civilians make the decisions--NOT the military!!!!!!!! you want to nuke China??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR what????????so we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
fk--then have WW3 and MORE deaths and destruction!!!!!!
Likkmee
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We always lose...Due to "meatheads" following orders.so if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
harmonica
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I was in the USMC for 8 yearsgreat evidence/logic/etchahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
[/QUOTFranFrhahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
Probably why they always lose.
Spineless since around 1775
hahahahahhaha
ok, how come Russia lost in Afghanistan ? and England lost there also?
...we were not going to win in Nam.....we were not going to lose MORE lives where we didn't belong in the first place
There it is...yer a fcking pacifist
Go away
..I've been reading WW2 and war/history longer than you've been alive
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..also in my thread on it with much EVIDENCE/links/etc, the French general said about their war: we see the light at the end of the tunnel--they lostso we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
..guess who also said the same thing??? an American about the Vietnam War.......understand? we also ''lost'''--not really lost because it was unwinnable
SassyIrishLass
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We always lose...Due to "meatheads" following orders.so if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
Get polticians out of waging war and let the real warriors wage it...we won't lose
Likkmee
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Real warriors are revolutionaries.They no longer existWe always lose...Due to "meatheads" following orders.so if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
Get polticians out of waging war and let the real warriors wage it...we won't lose
...they were ready to capitulate?? please prove thatso we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
.....so we nuke China..then what? [of course, you are wrong there anyway ] .....we are going to kill millions for what?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what you just said????!!!!!!!!!
SOMEONE--anyone please explain to HFLY how he just made a MAJOR fk up.....can anyone??????????
China crossed the NK border and attacked the US Army. We should have declared war right then but by that time it was all politics. We don't need to kill millions. Just the capital city and strategic targets. And now, Moscow, Tehran and Beijing. OK?
Marion Morrison
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Reading? I've been dealing with people that were there as long as I've been alive.I was in the USMC for 8 yearsgreat evidence/logic/etchahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
[/QUOTFranFrhahhahahahhahhahahahSAIGON???!!!'''''Total U.S. bomb tonnage dropped during: World War II = 2,057,244 tons Vietnam War = 7,078,032 tons (3-1/2 times WWII tonnage)''''It's common knowledge....unless you know nothing about the Vietnam war. Thankfully my father explained why my uncle died needlessly in a war politicians had no intention of winning.Saigon?sorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
Politics, we had Saigon at it's knees with air supremacy'....and stopped.
Why? Politics
you people post no links or evidence.....
...hey--we bombed the shit out of Germany and Japan.....so much in Japan that we ''ran out of cities''' and incendiaries ..and they didn't surrender--and we had the right to go to war with them
...AFTER the ABombs, the Japanese vote to surrender or not was a TIE
...air power 99.99% does not win wars....
what's common knowledge is the US AND France could not win in Vietnam
...other example:
Russia in Afghanistan --they did not give a SHIT about politics/legalities/etc!!!!!
The fact is US air superiority and relentless bombing campaigns on Saigon had them on their knees....and we stopped. That's just factual.
Get honed up on facts and history then we'll talk
Yeah Saigon you dumbed down loon.
You have zero idea what the fuck you're blabbering about and look foolish
why did France lose?
Probably why they always lose.
Spineless since around 1775
hahahahahhaha
ok, how come Russia lost in Afghanistan ? and England lost there also?
...we were not going to win in Nam.....we were not going to lose MORE lives where we didn't belong in the first place
There it is...yer a fcking pacifist
Go away
..I've been reading WW2 and war/history longer than you've been alive
The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
A man that was in WW2 raised me, boy. My best friend, too.
Hoo boy! You don't know anything about the case of Old Milwaukee pull tabs down in the bottom of the fridge and real Winstons, boy.
My best friend's dad liberated Dachau and drove a VolksVagen. He was a German American, with 3 dried Nazi officer ears on a dogtag chain.
That's reality, boy.
He had a Luger and 2 Mausers, too.
Only officers had Lugers.
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harmonica
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hahahahahhahahahhahhahaWe always lose...Due to "meatheads" following orders.so if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
Get polticians out of waging war and let the real warriors wage it...we won't lose
that would be smart!! [ hahahah ]
....you reveal your lack of knowledge----Japan let their military take over and look what happened!!!!
Japan - Militarism, Imperialism, WWII
Japan - Militarism, Imperialism, WWII: The notion that expansion through military conquest would solve Japan’s economic problems gained currency during the Great Depression of the 1930s. It was argued that the rapid growth of Japan’s population—which stood at close to 65 million in...
www.britannica.com
LoneLaugher
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Funny. Six months ago there was hardly a peep out of anyone here about China.
No, there were lots of peeps. Ignorant twats, like you, ignored them.
Nope. Your leader was having beautiful chocolate cake with Xi at his resort. They’re good buds.
You don’t know what you want with regard to China. You will, as you always do, wait until something happens and praise Trump for it. It’s all you got.
And you screamed he was a xenophobe because he stopped travel between China and the USA. You are hoist on your own petard you little liar you.
Nope. Sure didn’t. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Oh, yeah, the whole progressive loon world, of which you are a charter member, was going apeshit over his closing down travel. Lie all you want, junior, but we aren't blind, nor are we stupid. We can remember these things.
You won’t find me saying word one about that “travel ban” besides pointing out the fact that he didn’t ban shit and the fact that he stoked hatred for AMERICAN people of Asian descent while banning shit.
Go ahead. Look.
In Trumpworld, the “ban” was ethnic in nature. It was 100% political theater for that moron. Real, reasonable travel bans were warranted....and didn’t happen.
He failed to get that job done. You don’t care.
harmonica
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1. they were still in NK and they gave the UN a chance to get away from China's border AFTER their first attack...they were ready to capitulate?? please prove thatso we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
.....so we nuke China..then what? [of course, you are wrong there anyway ] .....we are going to kill millions for what?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what you just said????!!!!!!!!!
SOMEONE--anyone please explain to HFLY how he just made a MAJOR fk up.....can anyone??????????
China crossed the NK border and attacked the US Army. We should have declared war right then but by that time it was all politics. We don't need to kill millions. Just the capital city and strategic targets. And now, Moscow, Tehran and Beijing. OK?
2. the US/UN were endangering the Chosin area--vital to China with the dam there
3. AND if we had not gone near the border--no 50,000 US lives dead
again---nuke Beijing/Peking --kill millions----for what???!!!???
SassyIrishLass
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Real warriors are revolutionaries.They no longer existWe always lose...Due to "meatheads" following orders.so if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
Get polticians out of waging war and let the real warriors wage it...we won't lose
Yeah they do...I know a few
harmonica
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..the US troops near China's border is akin to Russian troops near the Mexican-Us border in 1962...they were ready to capitulate?? please prove thatso we should've went to war with China in 1950??? it was the US that sent troops to fight against Chinese in their civil war......China stated many times if the US crossed the parallel, it would get involvedsorry--no wayso if China is so evil like hitler and stalin, why can't we publicly announce it?President Trump and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden must both tone down their rhetoric. We cannot publicly announce that our goal is the destruction of the communist regime. Let our actions speak louder than our words.
..Reagan did, yes?
..no one will win a military conflict between China and the US.....we had naval, air, etc supremacy and we did not beat them in Korea...if fact they kicked our a$$es....
....who's to say the new regime will be ''better''--''better'' for the US?
We could have beat them, just like Vietnam, good young men and women died due to politics.
,we HAD air and naval supremacy and they still kicked our a$$es
and here is the proof for Vietnam:
Vietnam War was unwinnable
..we are talking REALITY--not nuking anyone....not invading the north like the Russians and US did to Germany --that wasn't going to happen--even if they did invade the North, they couldn't stay there forever..... ..first--the French lost--and after we gave them MILLIONS$ and with all their...
It started during the Korean war when MacArthur wanted to go after China. Then in Vietnam, for 16 years, the US military fought with both arms behind its back. I spent parts of 4 years there and I saw what happened and why. The whole North Vietnamese Army couldn't have whipped even on American Division. Especially the 1st. Cavalry.
here--China vs Germany--and you think the US had the manpower/logistics/etc to beat China????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
View attachment 340048
MacArthur wanted to nuke China and Truman fired him. If he had nuked China we wouldn't be in this situation and Russia wouldn't have been a threat. As for N.Vietnam, they were ready to capitulate in Paris until Nixon sent Kissinger. Worst mistake we made vs. Vietnam.
.....so we nuke China..then what? [of course, you are wrong there anyway ] .....we are going to kill millions for what?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you understand what you just said????!!!!!!!!!
SOMEONE--anyone please explain to HFLY how he just made a MAJOR fk up.....can anyone??????????
China crossed the NK border and attacked the US Army. We should have declared war right then but by that time it was all politics. We don't need to kill millions. Just the capital city and strategic targets. And now, Moscow, Tehran and Beijing. OK?
harmonica
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it was ethnic?? please explain and prove thatFunny. Six months ago there was hardly a peep out of anyone here about China.
No, there were lots of peeps. Ignorant twats, like you, ignored them.
Nope. Your leader was having beautiful chocolate cake with Xi at his resort. They’re good buds.
You don’t know what you want with regard to China. You will, as you always do, wait until something happens and praise Trump for it. It’s all you got.
And you screamed he was a xenophobe because he stopped travel between China and the USA. You are hoist on your own petard you little liar you.
Nope. Sure didn’t. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Oh, yeah, the whole progressive loon world, of which you are a charter member, was going apeshit over his closing down travel. Lie all you want, junior, but we aren't blind, nor are we stupid. We can remember these things.
You won’t find me saying word one about that “travel ban” besides pointing out the fact that he didn’t ban shit and the fact that he stoked hatred for AMERICAN people of Asian descent while banning shit.
Go ahead. Look.
In Trumpworld, the “ban” was ethnic in nature. It was 100% political theater for that moron. Real, reasonable travel bans were warranted....and didn’t happen.
He failed to get that job done. You don’t care.
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