To be fair….The Russia Collusion lie is no different than Trumps election lie

[Peach45]

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Surprisingly yes. I despise Hillary as much as Trump. He lied to challenge an election. So did she.

The fact that the establishment is going SO HARD all in to arrest Trump for it but not her, shows why we need an outsider like Bernie. Its why Im not all that surprised the MAGA crowd voted for a moron like Trump: he was at least an “outsider” in their eyes. A disgusting one but still.

Do Democrats not see that this will cause us to either lose in 2024, and/or empower the GOP to then prosecute everyone they claim “lied” after that election? They have always wanted to. They just didnt wanna “go first” down this banana republic behavior. Now…..we are. Because our “side” cant fucking move on and focus on what’s needed TODAY

 

[Dragonlady]

She and her campaign ordered the info to be given to the FBI, knowing it wasnt real.

She did NOTHING of the kind. You’re promoting every Clinton lie in the FOX News arsenal.

The court case wherein Dunham made these allegations was just tossed by a jury within minutes.

Tell me why YOU keep repeating Republican lies about Hillary Clinton all while claiming to be a liberal? Where is your fact checking on these allegations?

Clinton is not a criminal - that’s been proven over and over, but Republicans keep saying it. Why are YOU saying it??

 

[miketx]

Its no secret Im liberal. I wanted Bernie. I despise Trump…..and, I despised Hillary. Two wolves in the same pack who happened to compete against each other if you ask me.

So, for the sake of being fair and honest, I have to say, if they’re gonna prosecute Trump for election lies, then they should do the same to Hillary. She and her circle of allies lied to us about Russia. So did the FBI (law enforcement, so to be expected). All to unseat an elected president. If one lie to change an election is illegal, so is the other.

Ive said we need to move on from Trump because if we dont we WILL lose to either him or Desantis. Poor people and young people on the ground are hurting economically and THIS wont fix any of that.

Trump lied to try to overturn an election??? Yeah??? So did Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, and half the elected officials who sat in on the classified meetings where tbey heard there was actually no collusion.

Sorry but we all have to be honest and fair. Know who didnt lie? Bernie Sanders. And pre-Fox News version Tulsi Gabbard. She warned us about Hillary in the primaries.

This is just another commie lie, it's no secret all you do is lie. How deranged you must be to not be able to stop talking about trump.

 

[Dragonlady]

Surprisingly yes. I despise Hillary as much as Trump. He lied to challenge an election. So did she.

The fact that the establishment is going SO HARD all in to arrest Trump for it but not her, shows why we need an outsider like Bernie. Its why Im not all that surprised the MAGA crowd voted for a moron like Trump: he was at least an “outsider” in their eyes. A disgusting one but still.

Do Democrats not see that this will cause us to either lose in 2024, and/or empower the GOP to then prosecute everyone they claim “lied” after that election? They have always wanted to. They just didnt wanna “go first” down this banana republic behavior. Now…..we are. Because our “side” cant fucking move on and focus on what’s needed TODAY

Well this explains your stupidity.

 

[Resnic]

Its no secret Im liberal. I wanted Bernie. I despise Trump…..and, I despised Hillary. Two wolves in the same pack who happened to compete against each other if you ask me.

So, for the sake of being fair and honest, I have to say, if they’re gonna prosecute Trump for election lies, then they should do the same to Hillary. She and her circle of allies lied to us about Russia. So did the FBI (law enforcement, so to be expected). All to unseat an elected president. If one lie to change an election is illegal, so is the other.

Ive said we need to move on from Trump because if we dont we WILL lose to either him or Desantis. Poor people and young people on the ground are hurting economically and THIS wont fix any of that.

Trump lied to try to overturn an election??? Yeah??? So did Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, and half the elected officials who sat in on the classified meetings where tbey heard there was actually no collusion.

Sorry but we all have to be honest and fair. Know who didnt lie? Bernie Sanders. And pre-Fox News version Tulsi Gabbard. She warned us about Hillary in the primaries.

Well, you almost sounded impartial and fair for a moment till you started in with the "trump this" and "trump that" usual bullshit where even if you posted about cute puppy pictures you'd still find a way to make sure everyone knows how much you hate trump and Republicans.

You still make it about your side and your politics to the point of saying we will lose to trump, as if you're speaking for the country.

Time to slap you on the ignore list as well because you do nothing but show your one sided and closed minded. Although this one time you at least dipped your toe in the waters of being open minded and not bent on pure hate for the other side.

 

[postman]

She and her campaign ordered the info to be given to the FBI, knowing it wasnt real.

Is that like how Trump ordered his campaign to make election fraud claims knowing it wasn't real?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Its no secret Im liberal. I wanted Bernie. I despise Trump…..and, I despised Hillary. Two wolves in the same pack who happened to compete against each other if you ask me.

So, for the sake of being fair and honest, I have to say, if they’re gonna prosecute Trump for election lies, then they should do the same to Hillary. She and her circle of allies lied to us about Russia. So did the FBI (law enforcement, so to be expected). All to unseat an elected president. If one lie to change an election is illegal, so is the other.

Ive said we need to move on from Trump because if we dont we WILL lose to either him or Desantis. Poor people and young people on the ground are hurting economically and THIS wont fix any of that.

Trump lied to try to overturn an election??? Yeah??? So did Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, and half the elected officials who sat in on the classified meetings where tbey heard there was actually no collusion.

Sorry but we all have to be honest and fair. Know who didnt lie? Bernie Sanders. And pre-Fox News version Tulsi Gabbard. She warned us about Hillary in the primaries.

Well, did Trump lie or did he honestly believe it, and then the Democrats have to find out which specific laws were broken. Some election results have been contested in the past, but as Trump took his rhetoric further, did it break any law? But America knows the Democrats, they will cry on forever and a day to find anything in the law books. I've never witnessed such malice towards a president. Maybe laws should be drawn up to calm political parties down, everyone keeps mouth frothing over impeachments with every president.

I can see this American trait happening more in the UK, the opposition forever trying to remove the PM. And the other thing I've noticed is, those that tend to be gutsy and get results, Thatcher and Trump, are often the ones hated the most.

 

[JGalt]

Hillary and the DNC paid that lazy beatnik fucker big sums to play their games...lolol

And they lost....lolol

True. He did prostitute his socialist principles in 2016, and made out like a bandit. It was also a dick move that he didn't drop out of the race in Wisconsin, when he knew he was losing. He purposely stayed on there longer than he should have, to draw more Democrats to show up at the polls.

 

[postman]

Which is why I said what I said. If they say Trump should be arrested bc he challenged an election based on a lie…..fine. But Hillary and half the FBI and CIA should be as well.

The difference is, they already went after who they could connected with Hillary, without laying a finger on her, until it was too late. Why do you think Durham going after Sussmann failed? He had to get the indictment in under the statute of limitations, so he threw a hail mary.

 

[The Original Tree]

Its no secret Im liberal. I wanted Bernie. I despise Trump…..and, I despised Hillary. Two wolves in the same pack who happened to compete against each other if you ask me.

So, for the sake of being fair and honest, I have to say, if they’re gonna prosecute Trump for election lies, then they should do the same to Hillary. She and her circle of allies lied to us about Russia. So did the FBI (law enforcement, so to be expected). All to unseat an elected president. If one lie to change an election is illegal, so is the other.

Ive said we need to move on from Trump because if we dont we WILL lose to either him or Desantis. Poor people and young people on the ground are hurting economically and THIS wont fix any of that.

Trump lied to try to overturn an election??? Yeah??? So did Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, and half the elected officials who sat in on the classified meetings where tbey heard there was actually no collusion.

Sorry but we all have to be honest and fair. Know who didnt lie? Bernie Sanders. And pre-Fox News version Tulsi Gabbard. She warned us about Hillary in the primaries.

Seth Rich died because of what The Pakistani Hackers gave to him to give to Assange. They were all Bernie Bros and once they found out The DNC was rigging their primaries in Clinton's Favor, they turned on The DNC. How anyone can ignore that is insane.

These people like Podesta, Clinton, Biden, Obama etc. etc. hate America and hate we peasants, and they even hate the very people that support them.

It was all in black and white in Podesta emails. The same kind of crap was found on Hillary's server. This bitch and Biden & Obama were getting rich off of selling out America, and this has been an ongoing theme since The Bushes and Clintons.

They think of you as cattle, as machinery, and you need to shut up and do as you are told. And if anyone becomes aware of what they are doing, why they are just conspiracy theorists.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The "Russia, Russia" campaign was far worse for America, it's not even close and that full blown attack was carried by MSM for TWO FULL YEARS, PLUS AN INVESTIGATION.

Some might even suggest that it created distrust and worry by Putin, "what more will America do in their efforts to smear Russia"?

Where is the Hearing on this? I keep repeating that this lack of interest absolutely submarines so many activities against Trump, legitimate or not. We all know the GOP won't hold a Hearing on the Russian hoax, so if I were a voter I would just say "these guys are hardly indiscernible from one another".

Do your job and walk on ethics and transparency, not the Canadian Way of optics.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

We’ll agree to disagree on most of that. However I agree both elections were contested on false information. If they prosecute Trump for that, I fear no election will ever be able to be contested again without prosecution following.

I despise Trump and the GOP. But I love our democracy and I just dont think its smart or fair to prosecute one loser for challenging the loss based on a lie….when we didnt do the same to Hillary, the FBI, the CIA or elected officials who sold the Russia nonsense

I would agree except for the fact his contesting the election was based on facts & common sense.
The diaper guy could never get 81 million legit votes. He's incredibly unpopular & was before the elections as well.
He had no support except hardcore progbots & has always been a known POS that even the Dem elites found extremely creepy. His rallies drew less than school board meetings.
DT had convoys long in every state he went to. He won more counties than he did in 2016 while Joe lost almost 400 more counties than Barry. We saw the mules at drop boxes & vote switching on MSM screens. The late night ballot dumps after counting was stopped & observers sent home.
It was so bad they didn't even try to hide it for a while until they had enough to flip the race & then just had MSM gaslight the sheeple.

The simple fact is the diaper dude lost the legit vote & lost badly, even with the everyday vote fraud the Dems use on a regular basis. They had to resort to desperate measures & support from RINOs but it was obvious & egregious to those who paid attention.

It doesn't matter if you recognize the fraud, it was there for all to see if they aren't being willfully ignorant or just lack the brain capacity to understand the scope of the cheating & the implausibility of the reported results

 

[Dragonlady]

Well, did Trump lie or did he honestly believe it, and then the Democrats have to find out which specific laws were broken. Some past results have been contested in the past, but as Trump took his rhetoric further, did it break any law? But America knows the Democrats, they will cry on forever and a day to find anything in the law books. I've never witnessed such malice towards a president. Maybe laws should be drawn up to calm political parties down, everyone keeps mouth frothing over impeachments with every president.

I can see this American trait happening more in the UK, the opposition forever trying to remove the PM. And the other thing I've noticed is, those that tend to be gutsy and get results, Thatcher and Trump, are often the ones hated the most.

There is no malice towards Donald Trump by the media. There is a recognition that the man is a criminal and his criminal behaviour has been constantly exposed by the publically owned MSM media and covered up by the billionaire owned right wing media, whose owners have benefited from his tax cuts.

If Trump was the head of the government in the United Kingdom, he would’ve lost a nonconfidence motion in the first year he was in office despite his majority in both houses.

It’s truly unfortunate for the nation that Democrats weren’t successful in removing him from office the first time they impeached him. 1 million lives would’ve been saved if he had not mismanaged the Covid response so badly.

Republicans had a point in saying that the people should decide whether or not he should be removed from office but when the people overwhelmingly told him to go, he started an insurrection to cling to power.

The media has been particularly harsh on Donald Trump because Donald Trump has trampled the constitution and conducted the most lawless and corrupt presidency in the history of the nation. The media has a job to inform the American people to this effect. I’m sorry if you see this is “hating on Trump”, but it appears you don’t have any grasp of facts.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Hillary Clinton says Joe Biden should not concede on election night 'under any circumstances'

Hillary Clinton urged Joe BIden to not concede defeat on the night of the Nov. 3 election — no matter the circumstances.

www.foxnews.com

Hillary and the democrats were all ready to not concede if Trump won the election

Democrats love democracy about as much as a whoremonger like Bill Clinton loves women.

BTW, Bernie Sanders and company are but a cancer on society. Despotism naturally gravitates to government taking over everything which is what socialism is and what he supports

I could care less how "nice" he may seem or well intended.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Rather than Hillary et. al. contest the result, they did it differently by fabricating the Russian collusion story and wasted taxpayer's money on useless impeachments. Just a shame the usual crowd mentality kicks off and riot. All I can say is, the Democrats are just more crafty at doing what Trump has done, it's just that Trump says as it is and the Democrats are covert.

 

[candycorn]

Its no secret Im liberal. I wanted Bernie. I despise Trump…..and, I despised Hillary. Two wolves in the same pack who happened to compete against each other if you ask me.

So, for the sake of being fair and honest, I have to say, if they’re gonna prosecute Trump for election lies, then they should do the same to Hillary. She and her circle of allies lied to us about Russia. So did the FBI (law enforcement, so to be expected). All to unseat an elected president. If one lie to change an election is illegal, so is the other.

Ive said we need to move on from Trump because if we dont we WILL lose to either him or Desantis. Poor people and young people on the ground are hurting economically and THIS wont fix any of that.

Trump lied to try to overturn an election??? Yeah??? So did Hillary Clinton, the FBI, the CIA, and half the elected officials who sat in on the classified meetings where tbey heard there was actually no collusion.

Sorry but we all have to be honest and fair. Know who didnt lie? Bernie Sanders. And pre-Fox News version Tulsi Gabbard. She warned us about Hillary in the primaries.

Nonsense.

I don't recall Hillary telling election officials to find her enough votes to overturn an election.
I don't recall anyone storming the Capitol while Joe Biden presided over the counting of electoral votes.
I don't recall multiple slates of electors being sent to the Congress.

The only one who said there was "no collusion" TTBOMK was Spanky (William Barr). The Mueller report as well as the US Senate detailed multiple meetings between Trump campaign officials and Russian intel officials where information was shared. I'm not sure what your definition or threshold for collusion is but they were certainly working together. Especially when you consider the facts that Russian intel have been proven to have been the entities that hacked the DNC as well as Podesta--Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

Also, you seem to forget that many of the Trump 2016 campaign officials have either pled guilty to or were convicted of felonies.

 

[berg80]

She did NOTHING of the kind. You’re promoting every Clinton lie in the FOX News arsenal.

The court case wherein Dunham made these allegations was just tossed by a jury within minutes.

Tell me why YOU keep repeating Republican lies about Hillary Clinton all while claiming to be a liberal? Where is your fact checking on these allegations?

Clinton is not a criminal - that’s been proven over and over, but Republicans keep saying it. Why are YOU saying it??

Thanks. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Dragonlady]

I would agree except for the fact his contesting the election was based on facts & common sense.
The diaper guy could never get 81 million legit votes. He's incredibly unpopular & was before the elections as well.
He had no support except hardcore progbots & has always been a known POS that even the Dem elites found extremely creepy. His rallies drew less than school board meetings.
DT had convoys long in every state he went to. He won more counties than he did in 2016 while Joe lost almost 400 more counties than Barry. We saw the mules at drop boxes & vote switching on MSM screens. The late night ballot dumps after counting was stopped & observers sent home.
It was so bad they didn't even try to hide it for a while until they had enough to flip the race & then just had MSM gaslight the sheeple.

The simple fact is the diaper dude lost the legit vote & lost badly, even with the everyday vote fraud the Dems use on a regular basis. They had to resort to desperate measures & support from RINOs but it was obvious & egregious to those who paid attention.

It doesn't matter if you recognize the fraud, it was there for all to see if they aren't being willfully ignorant or just lack the brain capacity to understand the scope of the cheating & the implausibility of the reported results

Your entire post is based on your feelings of animus towards Joe Biden and not on anything rational reasonable that people would vote on. Trump failed at everything he touched and he destroyed the nation in the process. The American people wouldn’t elect him dogcatcher at this point.

Trump is being exposed for the liar, the grifter, and the con man that he truly is and he will be lucky to stay out of jail after all of this is over.

I can’t believe you people were stupid enough to elect this jerk in the first place. All you had to do was look at his business record for the last 40 years to realize that he was a phoney.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yet, the Russian collusion lie was brought to us by the very same people who are currently giving us the Jan 6 committee witch hunt. You know what they say -- "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"**



**with the possible exception of George W. Bush.

 

[postman]

She did NOTHING of the kind. You’re promoting every Clinton lie in the FOX News arsenal.

The court case wherein Dunham made these allegations was just tossed by a jury within minutes.

John Durham lost because he treated the FBI as a dupe — rather than a Clinton collaborator

What was the role of the FBI? In the Russiagate probe, in which Special Counsel John Durham has been tasked with getting to the bottom of the Trump-Russia “collusion” farce, that is the key questio…

nypost.com

Durham has banked his investigation on the premise that the FBI was a victim — an innocent dupe manipulated by the wily Clinton campaign. On Tuesday, this misplaced faith led to the acquittal of Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann.

The false-statement case against Sussmann is one of three indictments Durham has brought in more than three years of conducting his probe. In each one, the defendant is accused of duping the FBI,

Besides Sussmann, Durham has charged Igor Danchenko, the principal source for the notoriously bogus Steele dossier, with lying to the bureau about his own sources of information. Remarkably, Danchenko had previously been suspected by the FBI of being a Russian agent

Durham’s other prosecution was of Kevin Clinesmith, an FBI lawyer. Clinesmith falsified information … Clinesmith was charged not with defrauding the FISA court on behalf of the FBI, but of lying to the FBI; and he was permitted to plead guilty despite implausibly maintaining that neither he nor the bureau intended to deceive anyone.

 

[postman]

The diaper guy could never get 81 million legit votes. He's incredibly unpopular & was before the elections as well.

You know that Trump totally screwed up the response to COVID. Even warp speed was too little too late, after he promised COVID would go away by itself by Easter 2020.

Going into the 2020 elections, it was our "winter of discontent"