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you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
other than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
you can see it if you tear out the walls,, and I have torn out the walls for the first time on dozens of houses built before 1920 including the one I grew up in and the one I currently live in but it didnt have inside plumbing until 1973,,as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
Any why would you?
The easily accessible plumbing was likely switched out over 50 years ago.
Remember that lead pipe became very valuable and easily salvaged for a profit.
But the plumbing that is inaccessible is still there, is still lead, and you just can't see it.
You would have to dig a trench between the street and house to find it.
not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
collective is the very definition of centralization,,, it says all are controlled together with one power and is the polar opposite of individual liberty,,
you can see it if you tear out the walls,, and I have torn out the walls for the first time on dozens of houses built before 1920 including the one I grew up in and the one I currently live in but it didnt have inside plumbing until 1973,,as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
Any why would you?
The easily accessible plumbing was likely switched out over 50 years ago.
Remember that lead pipe became very valuable and easily salvaged for a profit.
But the plumbing that is inaccessible is still there, is still lead, and you just can't see it.
You would have to dig a trench between the street and house to find it.
I'm not a conservative and have done much research on progressives and their origins that go back to the fabian socialist,,,not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
collective is the very definition of centralization,,, it says all are controlled together with one power and is the polar opposite of individual liberty,,
Wrong.
You just have no idea what a progressive or socialist is.
Look up "Sewer Socialists", progressives like Phillip and Robert La Follette, in the state of WI, for the last century.
Then look up socialist mayors of Milwaukee, WI.
It is always amusing when conservatives try to tell socialists what socialism really is?
- Emil Seidel, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1910-1912
- Daniel Webster Hoan, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1916-1940
- Frank Zeidler, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1948-1960
not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
collective is the very definition of centralization,,, it says all are controlled together with one power and is the polar opposite of individual liberty,,
Someone has to do it because they always lie about it.not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
collective is the very definition of centralization,,, it says all are controlled together with one power and is the polar opposite of individual liberty,,
Wrong.
You just have no idea what a progressive or socialist is.
Look up "Sewer Socialists", progressives like Phillip and Robert La Follette, in the state of WI, for the last century.
Then look up socialist mayors of Milwaukee, WI.
It is always amusing when conservatives try to tell socialists what socialism really is?
- Emil Seidel, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1910-1912
- Daniel Webster Hoan, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1916-1940
- Frank Zeidler, Mayor of Milwaukee, 1948-1960
under the house???you can see it if you tear out the walls,, and I have torn out the walls for the first time on dozens of houses built before 1920 including the one I grew up in and the one I currently live in but it didnt have inside plumbing until 1973,,as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
Any why would you?
The easily accessible plumbing was likely switched out over 50 years ago.
Remember that lead pipe became very valuable and easily salvaged for a profit.
But the plumbing that is inaccessible is still there, is still lead, and you just can't see it.
You would have to dig a trench between the street and house to find it.
Lead plumbing is big, heavy, hard to use, and very expensive.
It was all removed when ever accessible.
But you can't see what is under the house, and if before 1920, then under the house is lead most likely.
thats not how progs and communist see it,,not progressives or socialist,, they are for a single powerful governmentother than mass transit thats not a left wing liberal,, more like right wing libertarian,It could be a ruse to enable Biden to throw a lot of money at a non-existing problem, and then
Depends.
Some investments have a greater pay off than cost, so are worth it.
Example are Hoover dam, the St. Lawrence Seaway, TVA, etc.
I would love rural broadband myself.
When government does pump priming borrowing and spending, it can enrich consumers and boost the whole economy, making the initial borrowing small in comparison, due to inflation.
So it depends on if well researched and executed.
If you're attempting to address any of my comments, you should know that I left this discussion because it's a portrayal of the same sort of ignorance that is being displayed by Americans on the Covid vaccine.
As a catch-all reply though, I consider your comments to be nuanced enough to serve for further discussion. The reason being, the US is too far behind already for thinking of piecemeal fixes. My opinion is that it's going to take huge spending and the inherent risks attached.
Americans are angry and the attack against government is at least a symbolic effort to bring down bad government. There is risk of it growing into something that is more than just a symbolic joke.
Biden must succeed this time in breaking the country away from the 'American way', which is inequality and the hold the very wealthy has on the ordinary people.
Don't forget, the Jan.6th. riot was against government, not just one side of governemnt.
If Biden doesn't succeed then Trump is going to be back offering his solution to the problems in America. That will be a fascist bid for power.
And then no solution to the problem, because that would be contrary to a fascist agenda.
Have Americans matured enough yet to just leave the Trump experience in the dust, as a horrible experience? I think there are several indications now that would be true!
First I should provide the context that I am extreme left wing, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.
But I did not mind the congress occupation because I do think our government is way corrupt, even though I do not think the election was rigged more than the usual poor choice of candidates.
What I don't like about our government are illegal legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, federal gun laws, federal health laws, 3 Strikes, asset forfeiture, illegal wars, etc.
But I do like the idea of investing in mass transit, transportation in general, and stimulus.
and the best stimulus happens the same way,, local,, the feds always take a big cut and use it as a political slush fund
as for mas transit,, like everything the government gets involved in it cost more and the waste is usually off the charts,,
best to let that happen on a local level where the needs came be evaluated first hand and waste left to a minimum,,
Leftwing, progressive, liberal, socialists are always for local over federal.
Federal it too far away, costs too much to contact or try to influence, and are always corrupt by corporate interests.
We need large government to counter large corruption, but it always provides its own corruption as well.
Leftwing, progressive, liberals are about individual liberties and rights.
Do words like cooperative, communal, or collective imply centralization?
Not at all.
collective is the very definition of centralization,,, it says all are controlled together with one power and is the polar opposite of individual liberty,,
Wrong.
The word collective means the joint collaboration of local people.
If something is dictated from a far, it is not at all in any way collective.
Don't think so. the pipes would freeze in the winter if they came in though the side. There's reason the foundation has to be so-many feet deep in cold climates.under the house???you can see it if you tear out the walls,, and I have torn out the walls for the first time on dozens of houses built before 1920 including the one I grew up in and the one I currently live in but it didnt have inside plumbing until 1973,,as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
Any why would you?
The easily accessible plumbing was likely switched out over 50 years ago.
Remember that lead pipe became very valuable and easily salvaged for a profit.
But the plumbing that is inaccessible is still there, is still lead, and you just can't see it.
You would have to dig a trench between the street and house to find it.
Lead plumbing is big, heavy, hard to use, and very expensive.
It was all removed when ever accessible.
But you can't see what is under the house, and if before 1920, then under the house is lead most likely.
I thought we were talking about whats in the house,, I've never seen plumbing under one,, it comes into the side and goes up,
but as I said, I have done dozens of first time remodels on houses pre 1920 and a few pre 1900 and never seen lead pipes,,
The fittings can burst because they are copper or brass which means metalvery unlikely,, the pipe is to close and the fittings are a lot thicker,,the pipe won't bust but the fittings will/cancopper breaks almost as easy as pvc,, if youre worried about freezing you use pex
My custom home builder said he thought he would be copper forever, but switched to Pex for that very reason if it freezes Pex expands it doesn't split. When it thaws it shrinks back again. That cold spell in Texas burst about 5 million copper pipes open.
WRONG!!!In really old houses water mains are cast iron with lead solder.
In really new houses water pipes are copper with lead solder. I think lead in water is mostly an excuse for Dem PORK. If Dems want to accomplish something for the environment they should fix their broke ass sewage systems in their cities and stop spilling hundreds of millions of gallons of raw untreated sewage into public rivers and oceans.
new houses get mostly pex and very few get copper and those that do are required to use leadfree solder,,,
Houses built up to 1998 still contained lead in the copper pipe solder.
Really? Who knew?
Why are you always so eager to prove your ignorance on virtually any topic?
The 1950s
Use of lead pipes mostly stopped in the 1950s. Most cities replace lead pipes they find when they are replacing water mains. Homeowners are typically responsible for replacing lead pipes from the shut-off to their home.
1986
How Old Is the Plumbing in Your Home? Solder connects pipes in household plumbing. In 1986, the U.S. mandated a lead-free solder for plumbing, so the age of your house and knowledge of when the plumbing was installed can help you. If your house was built before 1986, your plumbing may have lead solder.
You are sadly ignorant, it wasn't mandated in the clean water act until 1998 and your reading comprehension is 1st grade level.
Don't think so. the pipes would freeze in the winter if they came in though the side. There's reason the foundation has to be so-many feet deep in cold climates.under the house???you can see it if you tear out the walls,, and I have torn out the walls for the first time on dozens of houses built before 1920 including the one I grew up in and the one I currently live in but it didnt have inside plumbing until 1973,,as a person thats worked on houses for 50 yrs and been in thousands of them mostly older ones I have never once seen a lead water pipe in a house,,,you didnt give an accurate rant,,Yes Americans, lead has been used for pressure water piping.
And yes, it can withstand pressure required in a water supply system.
Pb. as in plumbing!
This is another one that can stand alongside the American bullshit of the Covid vaccines killing people.
America can't possibly compete with China if this sort of demonstration of ignorance is not stopped!
they are iron and lead combos,,, not just lead,,
No, the cast iron pipe with lead just in the joints are only used for waste water.
Cast iron is neve used for supply lines.
But pure lead was the main choice for cold water supply lines before 1920 or so,
How many homes, built before 1920, are still in use daily as residential property?
Probably about a third of all housing is still using these old lead pipes, and it not only is too expensive to replace them, but there is no reason to, since old lead pipes do not normally add lead to the water. It is only hot water in the home or exceptionally acidic water that causes there to be any elevated lead.
Any why would you?
The easily accessible plumbing was likely switched out over 50 years ago.
Remember that lead pipe became very valuable and easily salvaged for a profit.
But the plumbing that is inaccessible is still there, is still lead, and you just can't see it.
You would have to dig a trench between the street and house to find it.
Lead plumbing is big, heavy, hard to use, and very expensive.
It was all removed when ever accessible.
But you can't see what is under the house, and if before 1920, then under the house is lead most likely.
I thought we were talking about whats in the house,, I've never seen plumbing under one,, it comes into the side and goes up,
but as I said, I have done dozens of first time remodels on houses pre 1920 and a few pre 1900 and never seen lead pipes,,
nope not trueFalse. They are the service lines leading to the homes from the water mains. Facts are facts.They are on waste lines.
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Lead was used in the solder mixture to solder copper pipes together. You'd have to use a lot of solder at that joint to make the water toxic. Most of the copper pipes in my area have been replaced with PVC because copper pipes don't last forever.
I think some of the old cast iron sewer pipes were lined with lead to make them last longer because lead doesn't rust like cast iron, not sure on that though, but then that isn't drinking water.
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I don't think solder ever comes in contact with the water on a copper pipe joint if it is done right. So that is a non-issue as well.
The bottom line is that no iron or steel pipe will last forever. Every home owner will at some point be forced to deal with plumbing issues. The public should not be forced to pay for it. Newer construction has dealt with this with the introduction of PVC and Pex pipe for potable water and ABS for sewage. People who buy older homes are either stupid or naive to think that plumbing lasts forever.Older homes are full of cast iron but that's on the homeowners to deal with not our tax dollarsCast iron is almost exclusively used for mains (in the street)and drains and is neither lead nor the issue here.It is time to replace much of the cast iron piping....so america needs to step up to the plate
in this case they say the new water source they started using had a high chlorine content and cause the breakdown of the liner and allowed lead into the water,,Simple. Replace every pipe that was installed before a certain date. When lead was no longer used in the production of pipes or in the solder connections.Safe drinking water for everyone in America is an important goal, and Joe Biden’s American Jobs Plan makes a $111 billion investment toward that. While the majority of the funding goes to modernizing water treatment and delivery systems and remediating potentially harmful chemicals like PFAS, what’s gotten the most attention is a $45 billion initiative to “replace 100 percent of the nation’s lead pipes and service lines.”
If we could manage to do this, it would make a huge difference. Lead exposure has been credibly linked to stunted child development, kidney disease, auditory problems, brain damage, behavioral challenges, and more provocatively, crime. We eliminated leaded gasoline and paint in the 1970s and yet it still lingers as a persistent problem. And part of that comes through water tainted as it flows through lead pipes.
But if you want to replace all the lead water pipes in America, the first thing you have to do is find all the lead water pipes in America.
First 100: To Remove Lead Water Pipes, First You Must Find Them
And then you have to remove the whole pipe, including the part on private property.prospect.org
This sounds like it has the makings of a chaotic nightmare. I don't have a problem with it as long as homeowners are not having to come up with money to replace them.
Impractical.
Pipes are put in before streets, buildings, etc. are constructed.
Nor are there still records.
You would have to totally retrench over 10' down every single street and private property.
Nor any need in most cases.
Lead pipe does not normally cause any lead to get into the water.
It is only bad when water is hot, acidic, or stagnant.
Chlorine is highly toxic, much more so than lead, and should never really be used.
Floride is bad enough, but that is in very tiny amounts.
But it was NOT the piping that was at all any part of the problem.
When they got water from Detroit, it also had SOME chlorine.
It was the increase of choline and other things that caused the problem.
And clearly when you see dark water, that is sediment from old pipes or systems that had not been used on a long time.
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Flint isn’t the only city susceptible to these problems. The pipes in its old distribution system had seen the same water for decades. Switching water supplies in 2014 changed the chemistry of the water flowing through those pipes. When a switch like this happens, the water system is going to move toward a new equilibrium, says Daniel Giammar, an environmental engineer at Washington University in St. Louis. “It could be catastrophic as it was in Flint, or it could be a small change.”
Before 2014, Flint was getting its water from the Detroit Water & Sewerage Department, which would draw water from Lake Huron and then treat it before sending it to Flint. Looking to lower the city’s water costs, Flint officials decided in 2013 to instead take water from the Karegnondi Water Authority, which was building its own pipeline from the lake. Shortly after that, Detroit told Flint it would terminate their original long-term water agreement within a year and offered to negotiate a new, short-term agreement. Flint declined the offer. As an interim solution, while waiting for the new pipeline to be finished, Flint began taking water from the Flint River and treating it at the city’s own plant.
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A new equilibrium would be reached in a short time, so then water should have returned to being safe in Flint, without any lead pipe removal.
