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LOLOLAgain, what you actually asserted is that posters here believe we have fewer rights than every other country in the world. That’s not merely limited to border security; that statement includes all rights and all countries.I don’t know the laws of every single country on Earth and I suspect you don’t either. Regardless, the US also has the right to decide who can and cannot enter. Even if we didn’t, that would be just one right. That still doesn’t mean we have fewer rights than every other country on the planet. And again, no one here suggested that we do.Nope, you’re still a hyperventilating liar. No one is suggesting America has fewer rights thab every other nation in the world.
Do you deny that ever other nation has the right to decide who and what enters it's community, and becomes a part of it?
You’re an imbecile AND a liar.
When you refer to the laws of those other nations, you are stating that they DO have the right to control who enters their nation.
We have those kind of laws too. But the Left in this country has decided that it is morally "wrong" to try to enforce them.
Everyone who is pushing the idea that it is wrong to try to enforce those laws, is thus arguing that the US, for some reason, does not have the same rights as ever other nation.
No one said anything like that at all except for you.
You are an imbecile AND a liar.
I made an analysis of what the actions of the anti-wall people reveals about their thinking.
And I explained how I reached that conclusion. Repeatedly.
You have asserted that you disagree with my conclusion, but without any explanation as to how you reached that conclusion.
Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.
But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.
If you think it is wrong, this is where you point out what you think is wrong about it.
Just stating that it is wrong, because no one clearly and openly stated it, is, ironically,
the actions of an imbecile and a liar.
Fucking moron, millions of them have been living here from before we had walls up. We have walls. Add new ones, fine. Fix broken ones, fine. But we’re not replacing 500-700 miles of existing barriers.Your point was built on the foundation of made up bullshit. That’s what I’m talking about, ya raving lunatic.You don’t have to prove anything. Everyone here saw you make that bullshit up.Nope, you can’t prove that; which is why you employed, ”but if”. Which is why I pointed out everting after that is you, making shit up.
What do you think that I need to prove?
I made a point, your attack on it was that I had not proved something.
I asked you what do you think I have to prove, from my point, and your response is that
"you don't have to prove anything"
BUT, then you also claim that something I said was bullshit.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
Well, that was a waste of time. Got it. YOu were just spewing shit, that you can't back up.
The millions and millions of illegals we have living here, shows that the border is a fucking disaster and needs to be controlled.
Whatever has to be done to do that, FUCKING DO IT AND FAST.
I did not say Trump had anything to do with Mexico's decisions to house them or not. We do not have facilities to hold them until a decision is made concerning the asylum. Trump is making them stay in Mexico until their asylum is processed and no more catch and release date.Mexico doesn't have sufficient facilities for them. It has nothing to do with Trump.Trump prevails as Mexican officials stop caravan at Texas border and ship migrants to other cities
Last week, a caravan of 1,800 Central American migrants arrived in this isolated Mexican border city, where police ushered them into a makeshift government shelter at a shuttered factory surrounded by chain-link fence.
As conditions at the shelter deteriorated, riots erupted last Wednesday. Migrants broke through security barriers and struggled with guards. Some threw pipes, tables, chairs and parts of a tent at Mexican officers. Migrant advocates and reporters were barred from the facility, which was surrounded by dozens of federal police in riot gear.
It would cost the city $260,000 to operate the shelter for a month, including food, staff and utilities, he said. He’s been working 12-hour days.
Trump prevails as Mexican officials stop caravan at Texas border and ship migrants to other cities
Even it is a national emergency for Mexico. WTF is needed for the DumbCrats to see that there is a national emergency at the border. These people are not anyone I would want for a neighbor. YES, MAGA and don't let them in and deport those who are here committing crimes. I have been a diehard liberal but NEVER will I vote democratic again. I am not a racist or a bigot and I have family and friends from south of the border. I am just understanding what MAGA really means and it is often used to be racist but it is not racist to me.
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Oh? What citizen went to jail for sending classified material from their own private email server?You’re the one who can’t accept she didn’t commit a crime.
Considering the way the FBI found that she had committed a crime,and then gave her a pass,
yes, I cannot accept that. It is a massive injustice that she walks, when average citizens have done time for what she did.
Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
LOLOLAgain, what you actually asserted is that posters here believe we have fewer rights than every other country in the world. That’s not merely limited to border security; that statement includes all rights and all countries.I don’t know the laws of every single country on Earth and I suspect you don’t either. Regardless, the US also has the right to decide who can and cannot enter. Even if we didn’t, that would be just one right. That still doesn’t mean we have fewer rights than every other country on the planet. And again, no one here suggested that we do.Do you deny that ever other nation has the right to decide who and what enters it's community, and becomes a part of it?
You’re an imbecile AND a liar.
When you refer to the laws of those other nations, you are stating that they DO have the right to control who enters their nation.
We have those kind of laws too. But the Left in this country has decided that it is morally "wrong" to try to enforce them.
Everyone who is pushing the idea that it is wrong to try to enforce those laws, is thus arguing that the US, for some reason, does not have the same rights as ever other nation.
No one said anything like that at all except for you.
You are an imbecile AND a liar.
I made an analysis of what the actions of the anti-wall people reveals about their thinking.
And I explained how I reached that conclusion. Repeatedly.
You have asserted that you disagree with my conclusion, but without any explanation as to how you reached that conclusion.
Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.
But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.
If you think it is wrong, this is where you point out what you think is wrong about it.
Just stating that it is wrong, because no one clearly and openly stated it, is, ironically,
the actions of an imbecile and a liar.
These two statements...
”Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.”
... and ...
”But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.”
... demonstrate beautifully how you make shit up. Dumbfuck, no one has to prove you wrong when you can’t even prove yourself right.
Fucking moron, millions of them have been living here from before we had walls up. We have walls. Add new ones, fine. Fix broken ones, fine. But we’re not replacing 500-700 miles of existing barriers.Your point was built on the foundation of made up bullshit. That’s what I’m talking about, ya raving lunatic.You don’t have to prove anything. Everyone here saw you make that bullshit up.What do you think that I need to prove?
I made a point, your attack on it was that I had not proved something.
I asked you what do you think I have to prove, from my point, and your response is that
"you don't have to prove anything"
BUT, then you also claim that something I said was bullshit.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
Well, that was a waste of time. Got it. YOu were just spewing shit, that you can't back up.
The millions and millions of illegals we have living here, shows that the border is a fucking disaster and needs to be controlled.
Whatever has to be done to do that, FUCKING DO IT AND FAST.
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Oh? What citizen went to jail for sending classified material from their own private email server?Considering the way the FBI found that she had committed a crime,and then gave her a pass,
yes, I cannot accept that. It is a massive injustice that she walks, when average citizens have done time for what she did.
Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Oh? What citizen went to jail for sending classified material from their own private email server?Considering the way the FBI found that she had committed a crime,and then gave her a pass,
yes, I cannot accept that. It is a massive injustice that she walks, when average citizens have done time for what she did.
Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
You proved your impressions of others stem from your own prejudices and not from reality. Thanks for revealing that. It goes a long way in explaining some of the shit you post.LOLOLAgain, what you actually asserted is that posters here believe we have fewer rights than every other country in the world. That’s not merely limited to border security; that statement includes all rights and all countries.I don’t know the laws of every single country on Earth and I suspect you don’t either. Regardless, the US also has the right to decide who can and cannot enter. Even if we didn’t, that would be just one right. That still doesn’t mean we have fewer rights than every other country on the planet. And again, no one here suggested that we do.
You’re an imbecile AND a liar.
When you refer to the laws of those other nations, you are stating that they DO have the right to control who enters their nation.
We have those kind of laws too. But the Left in this country has decided that it is morally "wrong" to try to enforce them.
Everyone who is pushing the idea that it is wrong to try to enforce those laws, is thus arguing that the US, for some reason, does not have the same rights as ever other nation.
No one said anything like that at all except for you.
You are an imbecile AND a liar.
I made an analysis of what the actions of the anti-wall people reveals about their thinking.
And I explained how I reached that conclusion. Repeatedly.
You have asserted that you disagree with my conclusion, but without any explanation as to how you reached that conclusion.
Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.
But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.
If you think it is wrong, this is where you point out what you think is wrong about it.
Just stating that it is wrong, because no one clearly and openly stated it, is, ironically,
the actions of an imbecile and a liar.
These two statements...
”Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.”
... and ...
”But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.”
... demonstrate beautifully how you make shit up. Dumbfuck, no one has to prove you wrong when you can’t even prove yourself right.
So, the idea of looking at a person's actions and drawing conclusions about what they really think from that,
you consider that idea, by itself, to be proof of being wrong?
Dude. Your ideological rigidity has made you utterly blind and stupid.
There is no emergency on the border. Hence there is no need to declare a national emergency.
Although, one of the charges that were going to be brought against Nixon in his impeachment hearings was abuse of power. History repeating itself perhaps?
Idiotboi, he was convicted of “unauthorized retention of defense information. Hillary was not accused of anything like that. You’re a fucking retard. She had authorization to retain classified material. That’s why Saucier’s defense that Hillary did it too, failed him miserably. Because they’re not the same circumstances.LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Oh? What citizen went to jail for sending classified material from their own private email server?
Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
THe crime in question is being "grossly negligent" with classified information.
Both did that. The average guy got sent to jail. Hillary gets a pass.
Your denial of the double standard, just shows you to be a partisan hack.
Remember David Patraeus? He was found guilty, given. 2 years probation, and fined $100,000
Marine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.
Navy Chief Petty Officer James F. McGuiness was found in 1989 to have accumulated more than 300 classified documents at his home during his 16 years as an intelligence operations specialist. At his trial, he said he had used the documents as reference material when he worked at night. Although there was no evidence that any secrets had been lost or stolen, McGuiness was sentenced to two years in prison.
And this guy-
On appeal, the issue was whether that statute, which reads the same as it does today, requires that a third-party get a hold of the classified material in order for there to be criminal liability. The U.S. Navy-Marine Corps court of Military Review answered that question in the negative, but of interest is the fact that it called Roller’s inadvertent taking of the classified information “his own gross negligence.” Roller, 37 M.J. at 1096. There was no dispute that his mistake of scooping up the classified material with his personal belongings qualified as gross negligence.
As the Court of Military Appeals (the predecessor to the modern-day Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces) later explained in its decision affirming Roller’s conviction, “[t]he purpose of the federal espionage statute is to protect classified documents from any unauthorized procedures such as ‘removal from its proper place of custody’ . . .” United States v. Roller, 42 M.J. 264 (C.M.A. 1995). In other words, the crime—as the name suggests—occurs when classified information is “mishandled.”
For this reason, a subjective belief that the lost information will be of actual harm to the United States—and indeed any intent to cause actual harm—is irrelevant to the commission of this crime.
Just ask Sergeant Roller. His mishandling of classified information landed him in the brig for 2 years.
Military Appellate Courts address “gross negligence” in the handling of classified materials in the 1995 case of United States v. Roller | Law Office of Samuel C. Moore, PLLC
2 years
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Oh? What citizen went to jail for sending classified material from their own private email server?
Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
Idiotboi, he was convicted of “unauthorized retention of defense information. Hillary was not accused of anything like that. You’re a fucking retard. She had authorization to retain classified material. That’s why Saucier’s defense that Hillary did it too, failed him miserably. Because they’re not the same circumstances.LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
THe crime in question is being "grossly negligent" with classified information.
Both did that. The average guy got sent to jail. Hillary gets a pass.
Your denial of the double standard, just shows you to be a partisan hack.
Remember David Patraeus? He was found guilty, given. 2 years probation, and fined $100,000
Marine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.
Navy Chief Petty Officer James F. McGuiness was found in 1989 to have accumulated more than 300 classified documents at his home during his 16 years as an intelligence operations specialist. At his trial, he said he had used the documents as reference material when he worked at night. Although there was no evidence that any secrets had been lost or stolen, McGuiness was sentenced to two years in prison.
And this guy-
On appeal, the issue was whether that statute, which reads the same as it does today, requires that a third-party get a hold of the classified material in order for there to be criminal liability. The U.S. Navy-Marine Corps court of Military Review answered that question in the negative, but of interest is the fact that it called Roller’s inadvertent taking of the classified information “his own gross negligence.” Roller, 37 M.J. at 1096. There was no dispute that his mistake of scooping up the classified material with his personal belongings qualified as gross negligence.
As the Court of Military Appeals (the predecessor to the modern-day Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces) later explained in its decision affirming Roller’s conviction, “[t]he purpose of the federal espionage statute is to protect classified documents from any unauthorized procedures such as ‘removal from its proper place of custody’ . . .” United States v. Roller, 42 M.J. 264 (C.M.A. 1995). In other words, the crime—as the name suggests—occurs when classified information is “mishandled.”
For this reason, a subjective belief that the lost information will be of actual harm to the United States—and indeed any intent to cause actual harm—is irrelevant to the commission of this crime.
Just ask Sergeant Roller. His mishandling of classified information landed him in the brig for 2 years.
Military Appellate Courts address “gross negligence” in the handling of classified materials in the 1995 case of United States v. Roller | Law Office of Samuel C. Moore, PLLC
2 years
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
THe rules are different if you are a liberal.
You proved your impressions of others stem from your own prejudices and not from reality. Thanks for revealing that. It goes a long way in explaining some of the shit you post.LOLOLAgain, what you actually asserted is that posters here believe we have fewer rights than every other country in the world. That’s not merely limited to border security; that statement includes all rights and all countries.When you refer to the laws of those other nations, you are stating that they DO have the right to control who enters their nation.
We have those kind of laws too. But the Left in this country has decided that it is morally "wrong" to try to enforce them.
Everyone who is pushing the idea that it is wrong to try to enforce those laws, is thus arguing that the US, for some reason, does not have the same rights as ever other nation.
No one said anything like that at all except for you.
You are an imbecile AND a liar.
I made an analysis of what the actions of the anti-wall people reveals about their thinking.
And I explained how I reached that conclusion. Repeatedly.
You have asserted that you disagree with my conclusion, but without any explanation as to how you reached that conclusion.
Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.
But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.
If you think it is wrong, this is where you point out what you think is wrong about it.
Just stating that it is wrong, because no one clearly and openly stated it, is, ironically,
the actions of an imbecile and a liar.
These two statements...
”Yes, no one openly and clearly stated what their actions reveal about their beliefs.”
... and ...
”But that does not mean that my analysis is wrong.”
... demonstrate beautifully how you make shit up. Dumbfuck, no one has to prove you wrong when you can’t even prove yourself right.
So, the idea of looking at a person's actions and drawing conclusions about what they really think from that,
you consider that idea, by itself, to be proof of being wrong?
Dude. Your ideological rigidity has made you utterly blind and stupid.
Idiotboi, he was convicted of “unauthorized retention of defense information. Hillary was not accused of anything like that. You’re a fucking retard. She had authorization to retain classified material. That’s why Saucier’s defense that Hillary did it too, failed him miserably. Because they’re not the same circumstances.LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
THe crime in question is being "grossly negligent" with classified information.
Both did that. The average guy got sent to jail. Hillary gets a pass.
Your denial of the double standard, just shows you to be a partisan hack.
Remember David Patraeus? He was found guilty, given. 2 years probation, and fined $100,000
Marine Sgt. Rickie L. Roller went to jail for 10 months, forfeited $14,400 in pay, was reduced in rank and was dishonorably discharged after he tossed classified documents into a gym bag when he cleaned out his office at Marine Corps headquarters in Washington to prepare for relocation to a new post in 1989. Roller was prosecuted in a military court for gross negligence in handling classified information, and his conviction was upheld on appeal even though the documents never fell into the hands of a third party.
Air Force Staff Sgt. Arthur E. Gonzalez was charged with gross negligence in handling classified information after he inadvertently took two top-secret messages on a military trip to Alaska in 1979. He testified that he realized his error and put the documents in a drawer for safekeeping, then forgot about them when he returned to Elmendorf Air Force Base. He was sentenced by a military court to a bad-conduct discharge and five months in prison.
Navy Chief Petty Officer James F. McGuiness was found in 1989 to have accumulated more than 300 classified documents at his home during his 16 years as an intelligence operations specialist. At his trial, he said he had used the documents as reference material when he worked at night. Although there was no evidence that any secrets had been lost or stolen, McGuiness was sentenced to two years in prison.
And this guy-
On appeal, the issue was whether that statute, which reads the same as it does today, requires that a third-party get a hold of the classified material in order for there to be criminal liability. The U.S. Navy-Marine Corps court of Military Review answered that question in the negative, but of interest is the fact that it called Roller’s inadvertent taking of the classified information “his own gross negligence.” Roller, 37 M.J. at 1096. There was no dispute that his mistake of scooping up the classified material with his personal belongings qualified as gross negligence.
As the Court of Military Appeals (the predecessor to the modern-day Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces) later explained in its decision affirming Roller’s conviction, “[t]he purpose of the federal espionage statute is to protect classified documents from any unauthorized procedures such as ‘removal from its proper place of custody’ . . .” United States v. Roller, 42 M.J. 264 (C.M.A. 1995). In other words, the crime—as the name suggests—occurs when classified information is “mishandled.”
For this reason, a subjective belief that the lost information will be of actual harm to the United States—and indeed any intent to cause actual harm—is irrelevant to the commission of this crime.
Just ask Sergeant Roller. His mishandling of classified information landed him in the brig for 2 years.
Military Appellate Courts address “gross negligence” in the handling of classified materials in the 1995 case of United States v. Roller | Law Office of Samuel C. Moore, PLLC
2 years
LOLI see, so you lied when you said others have gone to jail for doing what Hillary did since Hillary wasn’t taking pictures on a sub.Ah, so you know about that average citizen who was jailed for the crime of being ""grossly negligent" with classified material?
Yeah, he took photos of his work place on a sub, because he was so proud of his service to his country.
And he did time for that, while HIllary who was just as ""grossly negligent", as stated in the FBI report before Peter Strzok changed it,
got a pass.
It is good to be elite, in a Liberal's America.
Like I always say, if conservatives didn’t lie, they’d have absolutely nothing to say.
Hillary was grossly negligent with classified information. That is what that poor sailor, who is not a member of the Liberal Elite, went to jail for.
Different rules for different folks. That is the way of America, thanks to liberals.
Dumbfuck, it's not different rules for different folks. You said others have been jailed for doing what she did. You lied and got caught. The guy you referenced didn't go to jail for sending classified material from a private server. Hillary didn't avoid prison for taking photos of a sub.
And for your edification ... a sub is not an email server.
THe rules are different if you are a liberal.
Fucking moron, millions of them have been living here from before we had walls up. We have walls. Add new ones, fine. Fix broken ones, fine. But we’re not replacing 500-700 miles of existing barriers.Your point was built on the foundation of made up bullshit. That’s what I’m talking about, ya raving lunatic.You don’t have to prove anything. Everyone here saw you make that bullshit up.What do you think that I need to prove?
I made a point, your attack on it was that I had not proved something.
I asked you what do you think I have to prove, from my point, and your response is that
"you don't have to prove anything"
BUT, then you also claim that something I said was bullshit.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?
Well, that was a waste of time. Got it. YOu were just spewing shit, that you can't back up.
The millions and millions of illegals we have living here, shows that the border is a fucking disaster and needs to be controlled.
Whatever has to be done to do that, FUCKING DO IT AND FAST.
What decision on asylum? Now that Trump has emergency powers is he abolishing asylum?I did not say Trump had anything to do with Mexico's decisions to house them or not. We do not have facilities to hold them until a decision is made concerning the asylum. Trump is making them stay in Mexico until their asylum is processed and no more catch and release date.Mexico doesn't have sufficient facilities for them. It has nothing to do with Trump.Trump prevails as Mexican officials stop caravan at Texas border and ship migrants to other cities
Last week, a caravan of 1,800 Central American migrants arrived in this isolated Mexican border city, where police ushered them into a makeshift government shelter at a shuttered factory surrounded by chain-link fence.
As conditions at the shelter deteriorated, riots erupted last Wednesday. Migrants broke through security barriers and struggled with guards. Some threw pipes, tables, chairs and parts of a tent at Mexican officers. Migrant advocates and reporters were barred from the facility, which was surrounded by dozens of federal police in riot gear.
It would cost the city $260,000 to operate the shelter for a month, including food, staff and utilities, he said. He’s been working 12-hour days.
Trump prevails as Mexican officials stop caravan at Texas border and ship migrants to other cities
Even it is a national emergency for Mexico. WTF is needed for the DumbCrats to see that there is a national emergency at the border. These people are not anyone I would want for a neighbor. YES, MAGA and don't let them in and deport those who are here committing crimes. I have been a diehard liberal but NEVER will I vote democratic again. I am not a racist or a bigot and I have family and friends from south of the border. I am just understanding what MAGA really means and it is often used to be racist but it is not racist to me.
