Two cultures: Hunters and Gatherers vs Free Stuff

[The T]

Wrong. That isn't the government's job. Where does the Constitution mention "keep the pathways to success open?"

General welfare clause

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.

According to James Madison, the clause authorized Congress to spend money, but only to carry out the powers and duties specifically enumerated in the subsequent clauses of Article I, Section 8, and elsewhere in the Constitution, not to meet the seemingly infinite needs of the general welfare. Alexander Hamilton maintained that the clause granted Congress the power to spend without limitation for the general welfare of the nation. The winner of this debate was not declared for 150 years.

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[Sallow]

Wrong. That isn't the government's job. Where does the Constitution mention "keep the pathways to success open?"

General welfare clause

Prove your premise. The general welfare clause doesn't mean what you portend it does.

He did. Son.

 

[Sallow]

Freedom to live our lives as we see fit without encroaching on the liberty of others and not using the power of imperial Government to right perceived wrongs when you fail at exercising your liberty.

The North won the civil war and set the slaves free. Sucks to be you..don't it.

As usual? You miss the point. You think just because the Confederates lost gives government right to run roughshod over liberty of the individual? Really?

Sorry son. You lose.

My point is..the confederates..or the conservatives..wanted to have the right to take away people's liberty..and enslave them.

They..and you..lost.

Son.

 

[The T]

General welfare clause

Prove your premise. The general welfare clause doesn't mean what you portend it does.

He did. Son.

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

 

[bripat9643]

They don't "get it" because it isn't true. We've always had a middle class. It has bee growing steadily ever since the beginning of the industrial revolution. That is what created the middle class, not some worthless politician. All sending everyone to college did is cheapen the value of a college degree. Now instead of a high school diploma to get most jobs you needed a college diploma.

That's incorrect.

There was never a middle class in this country until 1950.

Horseshit. Who was buying all those Model T's Henry Ford made?

the reason people need college degrees isn't because they have been cheapened. It's because the world became more complex.

Wrong. It's because a degree simply isn't worth as much as it used to be. Most people don't even use their degrees. I recall when I got my first job that one of our best programmers had a degree in anthropology. When I worked construction, my foreman had a degree in psychology.

 

[Sallow]

Prove your premise. The general welfare clause doesn't mean what you portend it does.

He did. Son.

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

Um..yes he did.

 

[bripat9643]

He did. Son.

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

Um..yes he did.

No he didn't.

 

[The T]

He did. Son.

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

Um..yes he did.

Wrong answer.

 

[Sallow]

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

Um..yes he did.

No he didn't.

Says the man who would have the US be a monarchy.

 

[Sallow]

Uhmm...NO, he didn't.

Um..yes he did.

Wrong answer.

Right answer.

 

[bripat9643]

Um..yes he did.

No he didn't.

Says the man who would have the US be a monarchy.

Actually I would prefer that the USA had no government at all. However, a monarchy would be preferable to allowing the likes of you to vote.

No king could run the country as disastrously as the Democrats have been running it.

 

[The T]

Um..yes he did.

Wrong answer.

Right answer.

With no narrative...other than a proclimation?

Get real. You and he FAIL.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong. That isn't the government's job. Where does the Constitution mention "keep the pathways to success open?"

General welfare clause

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

 

[bripat9643]

General welfare clause

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

Wrong. All it means is that the powers specifically granted in the Constitution are to be exercised for the general welfare rather than the particular welfare.

90% of what Congress does isn't authorized by the Constitution.

 

[The T]

Nice read of what we face here...

The O ratcheting up what FDR started...

 

[The T]

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

Wrong. All it means is that the powers specifically granted in the Constitution are to be exercised for the general welfare rather than the particular welfare.

90% of what Congress does isn't authorized by the Constitution.

True. And since the Constitutionality of it hasn't been challanged, but is accepted as the norm...we see now the effect...people think this is the normal function of government...courtesy of the education system controlled by government.

Gotta have good workers just smart enough to be workers...and good government subjects...BY design.

 

[rightwinger]

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

Wrong. All it means is that the powers specifically granted in the Constitution are to be exercised for the general welfare rather than the particular welfare.

90% of what Congress does isn't authorized by the Constitution.

Libertarians look at the Constitution as some type of cookbook detailing the recipes and ingredients that future generations are allowed to use

The Constitution provides a broad framework of how our government should be structured. It provides a kitchen from which future generations can decide what they want to cook

 

[The T]

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

Wrong. All it means is that the powers specifically granted in the Constitution are to be exercised for the general welfare rather than the particular welfare.

90% of what Congress does isn't authorized by the Constitution.

Libertarians look at the Constitution as some type of cookbook detailing the recipes and ingredients that future generations are allowed to use

The Constitution provides a broad framework of how our government should be structured. It provides a kitchen from which future generations can decide what they want to cook

There's nothing broad about it. What the government has done is usurp it and the Amendment process.

Idiot.

 

[candycorn]

ROFL! Liberals think that justifies whatever Nazi Pelosi would like to do, including putting conservatives in concentration camps.

General welfare clause means Congress does what is best for the General Welfare of we the people of the United States. If the Congress sees certain policies restricting the ability of Americans to have a path to success they are Constitutionally allowed to change them

Wrong. All it means is that the powers specifically granted in the Constitution are to be exercised for the general welfare rather than the particular welfare.

90% of what Congress does isn't authorized by the Constitution.

Wow...you should do something about that....lol

Didn't they teach you anything in school?

 

[rdean]

The majority of Americans receiving government subsidies are Republicans.

True story.