United States Imperialism

[Mushroom]

That is the road to depravity as we have seen, and why would Gaddafi or Assad be my enemy?

You should have asked them that.

Gaddafi is the one that supported terrorism and was behind multiple attacks on US citizens.

Muammar Qaddafi and Libya's Legacy of Terrorism | FRONTLINE

Attacks that the former Libyan leader is thought to have supported either directly or indirectly spanned more than two decades, multiple nations, and killed or injured countless innocent lives.

www.pbs.org

 

[AZrailwhale]

That is the road to depravity as we have seen, and why would Gaddafi or Assad be my enemy?

Well Gaddafi was a major sponsor of international terrorism until Reagan frightened him off by bombing Libya. And it's realpolitik. Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils when they aren't any good choices to be had.

 

[Deadstick]

You should have asked them that.

Gaddafi is the one that supported terrorism and was behind multiple attacks on US citizens.

Muammar Qaddafi and Libya's Legacy of Terrorism | FRONTLINE

Attacks that the former Libyan leader is thought to have supported either directly or indirectly spanned more than two decades, multiple nations, and killed or injured countless innocent lives.

www.pbs.org

Was he? Gaddafi was a libyan nationalist, that;s why he was taken down, can't have them leaving the reservation can we?

 

[Deadstick]

It wasn't a myth. Some of the boys died. Bashar al-Assad was asked about it in an hour long interview with Barbara Walter's. He said it wasn't him...he said it was the government. He appeared to be on Valium.

Bashar is not in charge. Mehr al Assad is running the show.

Are you familiar with Syrian history of sectarian strife and assassination? Goes back to the 1950s.

You have a habit of ignoring the big Elephant in the Room, did you watch the vid i posted? Wesley Clark we are going to take out seven Countries in fife years.

 

[surada]

You have a habit of ignoring the big Elephant in the Room, did you watch the vid i posted? Wesley Clark we are going to take out seven Countries in fife years.

Wesley Clark is a crackpot. Is that where you get your information?

 

[Deadstick]

Wesley Clark is a crackpot. Is that where you get your information?

LOL!! i am showing what the man said, most of the US leadership are crackpots that doesn't take away from what he said, you people are in a state of total denial.

 

[surada]

LOL!! i am showing what the man said, most of the US leadership are crackpots that doesn't take away from what he said, you people are in a state of total denial.

If you're a fan of Wesley Clark that explains everything.

 

[Deadstick]

If you're a fan of Wesley Clark that explains everything.

Why would i be a fan of Clark? i am just pointing out he let the cat out of the bag on US Imperialism.

 

[surada]

Why would i be a fan of Clark? i am just pointing out he let the cat out of the bag on US Imperialism.

Wesley Clark is a phony. He doesn't know anything about the middle east.

 

[Mushroom]

Was he? Gaddafi was a libyan nationalist, that;s why he was taken down, can't have them leaving the reservation can we?

As typical, you ignore any facts you simply do not like and do not agree with your narrative.

And yes, he was. That has not been in doubt for decades.

 

[Deadstick]

As typical, you ignore any facts you simply do not like and do not agree with your narrative.

And yes, he was. That has not been in doubt for decades.

What facts have i ignored?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Guys, this Gaddafi thing is boring already. Can we at last agree “taking him down” turned into a disaster for the people of Libya?

 

[surada]

Guys, this Gaddafi thing is boring already. Can we at last agree “taking him down” turned into a disaster for the people of Libya?

Point is that we didn't take Gaddafi down. There was no stopping what happened.

 

[Mushroom]

What facts have i ignored?

That Gaddafi himself admitted he supported terrorism, and directed groups to attack the US and other countries.

Like Pan Am Flight 103, which killed 270 people over Scotland (259 in the air, 11 on the ground).

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Point is that we didn't take Gaddafi down. There was no stopping what happened.

I don’t doubt that Gaddafi’s days may have been numbered, but I think that is hardly certain, and his son may have continued or even proved better. I’m no expert on Libyan society. The question is … did our intervention truly help? The old Monarchy also couldn’t last, and if Gaddafi had not seized power back in 1969 there were others in the military who would have. I certainly would have preferred a continuation of the basic rights proclaimed in the Idris Constitution … to Gaddafi’s crazy “Green Book” socialism.

The real issue, I expect, was the same in 1969 as it was in 2011 (when Gaddafi was overthrown) as it is today. Who, which tribes or parties, which religious groups, which regions, which foreign powers with their competing companies, militia and even armies … will control Libyan oil wealth.

 

[surada]

I don’t doubt that Gaddafi’s days may have been numbered, but I think that is hardly certain, and his son may have continued or even proved better. I’m no expert on Libyan society. The question is … did our intervention truly help? The old Monarchy also couldn’t last, and if Gaddafi had not seized power back in 1969 there were others in the military who would have. I certainly would have preferred a continuation of the basic rights proclaimed in the Idris Constitution … to Gaddafi’s “Green Book” socialism.

The real issue, I expect, was then what it is today. Who, which tribes or parties, which religious groups, which regions, which foreign powers with their competing companies, militia and even armies … will control Libyan oil wealth.

Idris was old with 40 years experience in governance. Gaddafi was an underling in a bloodless coup.

He overcame and deposed his cohorts. The Green Book is rambling idiocy.

There's no reason for Libya not to control it's own oil... But, in 1969 nationalization was premature.

 

[Deadstick]

Point is that we didn't take Gaddafi down. There was no stopping what happened.

So who did the tooth fairy?

 

[surada]

So who did the tooth fairy?

The Libyans killed him. Have you ever lived in the middle east or north Africa?

 

[Deadstick]

That Gaddafi himself admitted he supported terrorism, and directed groups to attack the US and other countries.

Like Pan Am Flight 103, which killed 270 people over Scotland (259 in the air, 11 on the ground).

I doubt Libya had anything to do with Pan Am, there is no real evidence, but it was a political stance by the US at the time who had Libya in it's sights, it's more likely it involved Iran and the PFLPGC under George Habash retaliation for the US shooting down the Iranian airliner in the Gulf.

 

[Deadstick]

The Libyans killed him. Have you ever lived in the middle east or north Africa?

Libyans some Islamists Al Qaeda supported by the US and it's Nato vassals, i never lived in Nazi Germany but i know what went down there