Us versus them. Why are americans turning on each other?

[Nicholas_1982]

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Raise revenue....alrdy bringing in record revenue...healthcare has been solved......end of discussion according to libs......

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Healthcare hasn't been solved

Revenue as a percentage of GDP

 

[Moonglow]

Raise revenue....alrdy bringing in record revenue...healthcare has been solved......end of discussion according to libs......

You don't speak for me....

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Raise revenue....alrdy bringing in record revenue...healthcare has been solved......end of discussion according to libs......

There it is, our 1st us versus them comment

 

[Manonthestreet]

Raise revenue....alrdy bringing in record revenue...healthcare has been solved......end of discussion according to libs......

There it is, our 1st us versus them comment

I see you dont discuss your own discussion items.....you are collecting record revenue.....and just spent yrs discussing healthcare to no end......whats left to say except we chose poorly

 

[Nicholas_1982]

who is you? I am not the IRS or president Obama. I don't collect revenue. I collect a paycheck.

I just said healthcare isn't solved. Let's talk solutions

 

[Manonthestreet]

who is you? I am not the IRS or president Obama. I don't collect revenue. I collect a paycheck.

I just said healthcare isn't solved. Let's talk solutions

Waste of time.....alrdy done to death...live with the choice until it implodes

 

[Moonglow]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

 

[Moonglow]

who is you? I am not the IRS or president Obama. I don't collect revenue. I collect a paycheck.

I just said healthcare isn't solved. Let's talk solutions

Ah, so you're a wage slave..

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Raise revenue....alrdy bringing in record revenue...healthcare has been solved......end of discussion according to libs......

There it is, our 1st us versus them comment

I see you dont discuss your own discussion items.....you are collecting record revenue.....and just spent yrs discussing healthcare to no end......whats left to say except we chose poorly

who is you? I am not the IRS or president Obama. I don't collect revenue. I collect a paycheck.

I just said healthcare isn't solved. Let's talk solutions

Waste of time.....alrdy done to death...live with the choice until it implodes

I think you are assuming me to be a liberal and that's what you are trying to hit me as. Obamacare wasn't my choice and I think we can definately debate solutions if that's the discussion you care to have.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Us versus them. Why are americans turning on each other ?


The answer is simple,: the liberals in this country are trying to turn the USA into a piss ass degenerate Venezuela where any perversion goes.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Us versus them. Why are americans turning on each other ?


The answer is simple,: the liberals in this country are trying to turn the USA into a piss ass degenerate Venezuela where any perversion goes.

I can definately list liberal and conservative policies that have been both productive and destructive. can you be more specific?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Am assuming nothing other than they arent going to allow any changes to their "masterpiece"......therefore any discussion is pointless until it fails.

 

[flacaltenn]

Read any forum post in politics and its liberals bashing conservatives or vice versa. Conservatives and liberals always in lock step behind their candidate. Ask the majority of Trump supporters or Hillary supporters why they are voting for the candidate and the #1 answer is because their candidate isn't the other candidate. The majority of conversations here don't center around policy or any tangible issue. It's all slander and character attacks.

What we fail to realize is that 75% (maybe more) of the population has so much in common but yet we get divided over who uses what bathroom.

I read an article the other day about "Obama's war or police." So I looked at some statistics and come to find out the past few years the number of police killed in the line of duty has been declining. I also learned that more children under the age of 17 are killed every year by gunshot wounds than police.

In North Carolina the state legislature decided to pass a bathroom law (something magical must have happened this year that required this law to come into existence) then Obama overruled the law and the whole country went crazy.

What the fuck are we fighting about? Somehow MSNBC cares about Melania Trump and her modeling career. Somehow the size of a man's hands matters for being president. What the fuck are we fighting about.

Can we talk about debt and deficits, can we talk about jobs and growth. Can we talk about affordable healthcare and corporations writing our laws? Can we talk about spending cuts and raising revenue? Can we talk about public education and corporate fraud? These are debates we need to have, not more Benghazi hearings or hand measuring contests.

This is largely because Government is outside it's bounds. Partisans meddle in issues they desire to meddle in -- not as a set of priorities. The country has largely been on auto-pilot since 2000. Congress doesn't write laws anymore. They write huge FORMS with blanks to be filled in by unaccountable minions of bureaucrats. These excersizes (like Dodd-Frank and ObamaCare ) are subject to "on the fly" decrees by the exec branch or some agency. And they go ON and ON and ON and never call it done. Creating uncertainty for biz, and for you.

The media is the other problem. Same damn talking heads WEEK after WEEK.. Because journalist today are LAZY and stupid and their product "scripted".. Never help RESOLVE any issues by going to the hard stuff. Finding the RIGHT experts and doing some math. They think you're too stupid if any primary is an "open primary" or "winner take all" or where the missing percentages in their election night coverage went. I watch INCREDUKLOUSLY for some time the night of the W.VA. because the vote totals were missing about 15%.. You're too stupid to care why OR the folks pounding this horse can't add.

We are divided because many of us can't tolerate a "don't care" attitude about Benghazi or gross mishandling of classified documents by a Prez wannabee. Those folks see a general decline in the ETHICAL standards of government. A bathroom law that protects a class of people WITHOUT a method of identifying WHO belongs to that class is great example of lazy work ethic from government, And we are divided because other folks are feeding that division with class, race, income, sex, and other DIVISIVE shit they can conjure up.


The whole Federal process is severely broken, Congress is irrelevant, the media is useless and the 2 parties are stoking a meaningless McCoy - Hatfield feud.. Other than that ---------


........................................... everything's peachy....

 

[Timmy]

First world problems ! We should be happy that we are arguing about who's in the bathroom, that means we don't have real problems.

Back in the day people would wake up and worry about nuclear war .

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Am assuming nothing other than they arent going to allow any changes to their "masterpiece"......therefore any discussion is pointless until it fails.

Whose masterpiece? are you talking about the healthcare legislation that insurance lobbyists pushed the government into passing?

 

[Moonglow]

Oh and I forgot my FAVORITE issue. Liberals get pissed when a bakery won't make a gay cake and conservatives get pissed when a bakery won't make a racist cake.

You people do realize eating a cake doesn't affect your right to be gay or racist?

It's not the baking of the cake which has people at odds, it's the whey they are decorated..

I am aware, the point is that liberals and conservatives are on the same side of this debate. When the Indiana bakery refused to bake cakes for gay couples getting married the liberal media threw a fit. When a walmart baker refused to bake a cake with the confederate flag on it conservatives threw a fit. What both sides fail to see is that they are in esence making the same arguement. A bakery owned by a private citizen should be allowed to make or not make whatever cake they want. If conservatives insist that wal mart make racist cakes then indiana bakery has to make gay cakes, and vice versa

Sure, but it must be done with intentional tact,to avoid laws...