Wake up America -- if our nation can be said to still exist.

[Desperado]

Excellent article, Well worth the read

Thoughts The Next Morning


I have a general policy that when something*****es me off enough to want to throw things at my TV I go have a drink and refuse to write on it until having slept first.

Sometimes I wake up with a different perspective.

And sometimes not.

This is one of the "nots."

Last night, unless you live in a cave, you know that the second bombing suspect was captured alive. The first one died from a combination of bullets and being run over by his brother in a carjacked vehicle trying to escape.

Yeah, that really nice kid who we now have in custody ran over his brother.

But let's take a look at the facts, shall we?
Thoughts The Next Morning in [Market-Ticker]

 

[Truthmatters]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

 

[Wolfmoon]

It could have all been prevented by not allowing them in the country in the first place. The government knows that. They are using the terrorists to take away our Constitutional rights.

.

 

[Truthmatters]

he is some wealthy smuck who seemed unable to predict the crash but is really sure he is a profit

 

[Immanuel]

he is some wealthy smuck who seemed unable to predict the crash but is really sure he is a profit

Bet he knows how to spell prophet.

And at least he is a wealthy smuck as opposed to just being a smuck such as you.

Immie

 

[Truthmatters]

you didnt get the pun did you

 

[Desperado]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

 

[Oddball]

Great blog post.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

Disagree.

Authorities identified and neutralized the suspects in a remarkably short period of time. It was done in an efficient and timely manner, with co-operation among many difference law enforcement entities.

There was no 4th Amendment ‘violation’ as the investigation clearly falls under the exigent circumstances exception, where law enforcement "who have established probable cause that evidence is likely to be at a certain place and who do not have time to get a search warrant.” The exigent circumstances exception is justified where the situation ” include danger of physical harm to an officer or others…”*

Clearly, known terrorist suspects at large pose “danger of physical harm to an officer or others”; indeed, the suspects were alleged to have been involved in the killing of an MIT officer, establishing probable cause and a reasonable expectation that the suspects were prepared to visit physical harm on citizens and police officers alike.

And there was no ‘martial law,’ to claim such is ignorant idiocy. Martial law can exist only where there is actual war occurring in a given jurisdiction, and where the courts have ceased to function in that jurisdiction. See: Ex parte Milligan (1866).

The blog author is clearly a rightist partisan hack, concerned not about facts, the Constitution, and the law but that the spin and lies by conservatives are failing to manifest a false narrative that the Administration ‘failed’ to prevent a terrorist attack.

*Harr, J. S., & Hess, K. M. (2005). Constitutional law and the criminal justice system, Third ed.

 

[Truthmatters]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

hes a wealthy fuck who is part of the right wing brainwash.

i didnt even bother to read much of his crap.

I also dont read the scribblings on the walls at insane assylums

 

[Papageorgio]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

hes a wealthy fuck who is part of the right wing brainwash.

i didnt even bother to read much of his crap.

I also dont read the scribblings on the walls at insane assylums

Well at least you have confirmed what we all know, the you are in an insane asylum and you can read.

 

[Oddball]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

Disagree.

Authorities identified and neutralized the suspects in a remarkably short period of time. It was done in an efficient and timely manner, with co-operation among many difference law enforcement entities.

There was no 4th Amendment ‘violation’ as the investigation clearly falls under the exigent circumstances exception, where law enforcement "who have established probable cause that evidence is likely to be at a certain place and who do not have time to get a search warrant.” The exigent circumstances exception is justified where the situation ” include danger of physical harm to an officer or others…”*

Clearly, known terrorist suspects at large pose “danger of physical harm to an officer or others”; indeed, the suspects were alleged to have been involved in the killing of an MIT officer, establishing probable cause and a reasonable expectation that the suspects were prepared to visit physical harm on citizens and police officers alike.

And there was no ‘martial law,’ to claim such is ignorant idiocy. Martial law can exist only where there is actual war occurring in a given jurisdiction, and where the courts have ceased to function in that jurisdiction. See: Ex parte Milligan (1866).

The blog author is clearly a rightist partisan hack, concerned not about facts, the Constitution, and the law but that the spin and lies by conservatives are failing to manifest a false narrative that the Administration ‘failed’ to prevent a terrorist attack.

*Harr, J. S., & Hess, K. M. (2005). Constitutional law and the criminal justice system, Third ed.

We already know you value the Constitution, as written, in lower regard that toilet paper.

But just to bother with clearing up one aspect of you blind socialistic hackery, the blog poster failed to employ the term "de faccto" prior to "martial law".....Which is what the total lockdown of a significant portion of Boston amounted to.

 

[Truthmatters]

enjoy your propaganda clowns


no one buys it but you brain dead cons

 

[Flopper]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

Law enforcement faced with what they believe is a major emergency, will violate every amendment in the Bill of Rights. We have been violating civil and human rights throughout our history. Looking back at what occurred in Boston, we are quick to condemn the authorities, but hindsight is perfect. Had the police stopped another bombing and saved hundreds of lives, there would be no mention of rights violations.

 

[Flopper]

It could have all been prevented by not allowing them in the country in the first place. The government knows that. They are using the terrorists to take away our Constitutional rights.

.

 

[Desperado]

Law enforcement faced with what they believe is a major emergency, will violate every amendment in the Bill of Rights. We have been violating civil and human rights throughout our history.

I didn't know that the Bill of Rights could be ignored by the police when the police think that it is convenient. In fact I though the Bill of Rights was there to keep the authorities in line.

Looking back at what occurred in Boston, we are quick to condemn the authorities, but hindsight is perfect. Had the police stopped another bombing and saved hundreds of lives, there would be no mention of rights violations.

No absolutely wrong.... The end does not justify the means in this case or in any other case.

 

[Oddball]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

Law enforcement faced with what they believe is a major emergency, will violate every amendment in the Bill of Rights. We have been violating civil and human rights throughout our history. Looking back at what occurred in Boston, we are quick to condemn the authorities, but hindsight is perfect. Had the police stopped another bombing and saved hundreds of lives, there would be no mention of rights violations.

Pffft...These are the same bunglers who let the alleged perp get away....And the people of Boston are supposed to pay for that incompetence with the suspension of their civil and property rights?

And, to expand on the point, isn't this exactly the sort of event that the USAPATRIOT Act, the Department of Fatherland Security, anal probes at airports, e-mail snooping, roving wiretaps and all the other trappings of the national police state were supposedly designed to prevent?

Pull you head out of your ass, tovarich.

 

[candycorn]

Karl Denninger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Karl Denninger is an American technology businessman, finance blogger, and political activist, sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement.

Want to stop killing the messenger and want to debate the merit or lack of merit of what he said. Let's start with:
Such as the fact that despite every news anchor and many of the people in Boston pumping their fists and screaming "USA!" along with lauding law enforcement, the fact is that law enforcement could not find its ass with both hands.

It doesn't stop there. Oh no, by effectively occupying a part of the Boston metro area they made an utter mockery of the 4th Amendment. There was no "hot pursuit" and thus no argument available to them allowing searches of private property without consent or a warrant. Not only did they search without a warrant there were multiple reports through the day of seizure of firearms, among other things.

The Constitutional Rights of an entire town, some 30,000 residents, were wantonly and outrageously violated yesterday, yet not one media outlet is focusing there.

Nor are they focusing on the fact that after a full day of undeclared and illegal martial law, complete with "papers please", unconstitutional searches and seizures and military hardware and weapons all over the streets (heh Barack, what was that crap about "weapons of war"?) the cops FAILED to find the jackass.

Instead, within a half-hour of the "can't find our ass with both hands" cops giving up on locking down the town an ordinary citizen finds the bad guy in his boat.

In 30 minutes "We the people" do what thousands of cops spending millions of dollars and violating the rights of every citizen in the town could not and the people did it without all that fancy military hardware too.

Do you agree or Disagree?

Law enforcement faced with what they believe is a major emergency, will violate every amendment in the Bill of Rights. We have been violating civil and human rights throughout our history. Looking back at what occurred in Boston, we are quick to condemn the authorities, but hindsight is perfect. Had the police stopped another bombing and saved hundreds of lives, there would be no mention of rights violations.

Right you are.

Of course had the cops do what they normally do, there wouldn't be any mention of it at all past the initial news report.

Case in point, the cops seized the following outside of Phoenix...

That's 6 tons of pot, along with 2.4 million in cash, a few dozen weapons, some other drugs, cars and airplanes...

The cops who busted the cell may have gotten the weekend off as a reward. As most have exhibited here, taking potshots at anyone is easy, fun, and penalty free. Perhaps we should have a kinder eye toward those who have the difficult responsibility of doing the job at the time and not having the benefit of hindsight or how it will "play" in the press or on message boards.

 

[Oddball]

Oh great, three people killed and hundreds injured...But the Phoenix cops, on the other side of the fucking country, were able to haul in some harmless pot.

And your point was?

 

[candycorn]

Oh great, three people killed and hundreds injured...But the Phoenix cops, on the other side of the fucking country, were able to haul in some harmless pot.

And your point was?

Its easy to look back and point out what went wrong and we should be conscious of the difficulty of the job.