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Shocks to the testicles do no harmwe used to water board our service members......the special operations groups did it to all of their people, pilots got it too, as did any service member whe went to SERE training...Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion......how we train our soldiers, sailors and airmen to survive capture in countries that don't give a flying fuck about the Geneva Convention.........and guess what...they all gave up the information they were told not to give up.....that is how effective water boarding is......even in training...knowing in some part of their brain that they are in a training environment ...our best warriors were defeated by water boarding.........and then we stopped doing it for all but Navy Seals.....why? Well...because of idiots who think it is too harsh...and because it works.....it works on everyone who experiences it, and the military didn't want our people to think they can't beat it...so they stopped it........
But...it works...every single time it is tried...and it leaves no lasting harm... and the only thing you need to do to recover from water boarding..is towel off to get dry.....
By the way...3 out of 4 former POWs who were actually tortured by Vietnamese socialists state that water boarding is not torture......2 of them were awarded our highest medal...the Congressional Medal of Honor.......
I trust their judgment...not the judgment of left wingers and politicians...
Articles: My Vote for Waterboarding
My waterboarding did not occur in some medically safe, hermetically purified room, designed for that purpose with a few doctors and medics standing nearby to render immediate assistance. That’s what I saw a few times on TV way back when Senator McCain called it "torture". I was taken, blindfolded via my poncho that the instructors put on backwards with the hood tied tightly closed, to someplace in the training area (which at that time was located in a big square, framed by four small state highways and county roads and not on base). There, I was forced to the ground and, face up, tied spread eagle to stakes.
Now, let me back up for a second and explain to you naysayers and civilians that when the Marine Corps creates a training environment, it is intentionally designed in such a way that you are not predisposed to think, “Hey, this is just training so anything that happens, I know is just fake.”
While I was spread-eagled, able to see nothing, the instructor came over to ask me questions to test my resistance to answering. I refused to answer a question about my unit just as I was told to do earlier that week during the classroom phase of training. Suddenly, he loosened my poncho hood, pulled it down so I could see, then quickly put some kind of towel or cloth over my face and the towel or cloth was held tight to the ground on either side of my head making it impossible to move my head side to side. I was shocked about the towel and at that time had no idea what was about to happen next. He poured water on the towel where my nose and mouth were located and I literally could not breathe, as if I were drowning and could do absolutely nothing about it.
Now, I don’t know much about how the human brain functions, but all thought left mine except abject, animal fear and knowing, absolutely knowing I was going to die right then, period. There was no, “Okay, this will end in a few seconds and I’ll be fine,” or “Come on Ken, you’re a Marine, take this,” or “This is just a training exercise and it’s not real so calm down.” None of that. And I would suspect that it’s the same for anyone else who’s been waterboarded. Sorry Marine Corps, but I failed to resist, because when the instructor finally stopped after what seemed like years, and asked me the question again, I told him the answer, the right answer because I never wanted to experience again what had just happened.
Yes, I felt the shame and remorse later, feeling that I turned into a little two-year-old girl in a pink tutu after I was waterboarded. But there was a lot more training to go, and in order to pass the course (and never retake SERE school again), I had to start over from the beginning of the field course and go all that night and the next day to get to the checkpoint by 1500 (3 p.m.) or fail the course. Me and my SERE school partner, who I assumed was also spread-eagled nearby when we both were captured, made it by the skin of our teeth but we both passed.
Okay, so what’s the bottom line? In my humble opinion, waterboarding is not torture. It is an effective technique, albeit an extremely terrifying and dehumanizing technique, that will make anyone sing the truth like a canary. Torture, to me is something permanent, like cutting off fingers or dislocating and relocating body joints over and over inducing extreme pain, giving one a disability for life. Torture is being forced to watch your son or daughter get beheaded or watch your daughter get beaten or stoned to death because she was raped by seven males; or watching your only son get burned alive on the nightly news after he was captured. That, to me, is torture and I am very against it, whether it works or not. I’m sure President Trump is against that as well. Plus, I have serious doubt that any enemy can train themselves enough to take a session of waterboarding in order to keep mum.
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Which is more effective?
Waterboarding or electric shocks to the testicles?
Some prefer pulling out fingernails
As those who have actually been waterboarded will tell you....waterboarding...they give up the information, suffer no harm, and are completely healthy and injury free after they stop..........
That is more effective as the Marine from the original Post points out....Navy Seals, Green Berets, Rangers and terrorists who have pledged to die a martyr...all give it up to water boarding....and none of them are harmed in any way....
They just throb for a while
Is that the nation you want to belong to?
Nope....and we don't have to...we just waterboard them......it is quick, does no harm and gets them to give up information...and again, we go on a topic and you left wing morons immediately go to sex organs...you guys really, really need to get help. Your sex drive in your brain is wired to some disturbing shit....and you need a psychiatrist to fix that for you....
Shocks to the testicles do no harmwe used to water board our service members......the special operations groups did it to all of their people, pilots got it too, as did any service member whe went to SERE training...Survival, Escape, Resistance and Evasion......how we train our soldiers, sailors and airmen to survive capture in countries that don't give a flying fuck about the Geneva Convention.........and guess what...they all gave up the information they were told not to give up.....that is how effective water boarding is......even in training...knowing in some part of their brain that they are in a training environment ...our best warriors were defeated by water boarding.........and then we stopped doing it for all but Navy Seals.....why? Well...because of idiots who think it is too harsh...and because it works.....it works on everyone who experiences it, and the military didn't want our people to think they can't beat it...so they stopped it........
But...it works...every single time it is tried...and it leaves no lasting harm... and the only thing you need to do to recover from water boarding..is towel off to get dry.....
By the way...3 out of 4 former POWs who were actually tortured by Vietnamese socialists state that water boarding is not torture......2 of them were awarded our highest medal...the Congressional Medal of Honor.......
I trust their judgment...not the judgment of left wingers and politicians...
Articles: My Vote for Waterboarding
My waterboarding did not occur in some medically safe, hermetically purified room, designed for that purpose with a few doctors and medics standing nearby to render immediate assistance. That’s what I saw a few times on TV way back when Senator McCain called it "torture". I was taken, blindfolded via my poncho that the instructors put on backwards with the hood tied tightly closed, to someplace in the training area (which at that time was located in a big square, framed by four small state highways and county roads and not on base). There, I was forced to the ground and, face up, tied spread eagle to stakes.
Now, let me back up for a second and explain to you naysayers and civilians that when the Marine Corps creates a training environment, it is intentionally designed in such a way that you are not predisposed to think, “Hey, this is just training so anything that happens, I know is just fake.”
While I was spread-eagled, able to see nothing, the instructor came over to ask me questions to test my resistance to answering. I refused to answer a question about my unit just as I was told to do earlier that week during the classroom phase of training. Suddenly, he loosened my poncho hood, pulled it down so I could see, then quickly put some kind of towel or cloth over my face and the towel or cloth was held tight to the ground on either side of my head making it impossible to move my head side to side. I was shocked about the towel and at that time had no idea what was about to happen next. He poured water on the towel where my nose and mouth were located and I literally could not breathe, as if I were drowning and could do absolutely nothing about it.
Now, I don’t know much about how the human brain functions, but all thought left mine except abject, animal fear and knowing, absolutely knowing I was going to die right then, period. There was no, “Okay, this will end in a few seconds and I’ll be fine,” or “Come on Ken, you’re a Marine, take this,” or “This is just a training exercise and it’s not real so calm down.” None of that. And I would suspect that it’s the same for anyone else who’s been waterboarded. Sorry Marine Corps, but I failed to resist, because when the instructor finally stopped after what seemed like years, and asked me the question again, I told him the answer, the right answer because I never wanted to experience again what had just happened.
Yes, I felt the shame and remorse later, feeling that I turned into a little two-year-old girl in a pink tutu after I was waterboarded. But there was a lot more training to go, and in order to pass the course (and never retake SERE school again), I had to start over from the beginning of the field course and go all that night and the next day to get to the checkpoint by 1500 (3 p.m.) or fail the course. Me and my SERE school partner, who I assumed was also spread-eagled nearby when we both were captured, made it by the skin of our teeth but we both passed.
Okay, so what’s the bottom line? In my humble opinion, waterboarding is not torture. It is an effective technique, albeit an extremely terrifying and dehumanizing technique, that will make anyone sing the truth like a canary. Torture, to me is something permanent, like cutting off fingers or dislocating and relocating body joints over and over inducing extreme pain, giving one a disability for life. Torture is being forced to watch your son or daughter get beheaded or watch your daughter get beaten or stoned to death because she was raped by seven males; or watching your only son get burned alive on the nightly news after he was captured. That, to me, is torture and I am very against it, whether it works or not. I’m sure President Trump is against that as well. Plus, I have serious doubt that any enemy can train themselves enough to take a session of waterboarding in order to keep mum.
Read more: Articles: My Vote for Waterboarding
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Which is more effective?
Waterboarding or electric shocks to the testicles?
Some prefer pulling out fingernails
As those who have actually been waterboarded will tell you....waterboarding...they give up the information, suffer no harm, and are completely healthy and injury free after they stop..........
That is more effective as the Marine from the original Post points out....Navy Seals, Green Berets, Rangers and terrorists who have pledged to die a martyr...all give it up to water boarding....and none of them are harmed in any way....
They just throb for a while
Is that the nation you want to belong to?
Nope....and we don't have to...we just waterboard them......it is quick, does no harm and gets them to give up information...and again, we go on a topic and you left wing morons immediately go to sex organs...you guys really, really need to get help. Your sex drive in your brain is wired to some disturbing shit....and you need a psychiatrist to fix that for you....
No, it s not effective and it is degrading both to the person getting tortured and the one performing it
Making America Great Again.......Torture does not make us great
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
And of course you ignore the point.....we do not waterboard the soldiers of other countries...they are protected by the convention...our military does not do it...the CIA does it.
Waterboarding is effective. It doesn't harm the people it is used on. The tell you the information you need. It saves lives.
Terrorists are not protected......and protecting them engangers innocent people. As one expert pointed out, giving terrorists the same protection as soldiers encourages soldiers to violate the laws of war.....since there will be no price to pay for not doing so...
Again.......we do not waterboard the soldiers, uniformed soldiers fighting for a nation state....and we do not waterboard American Citizens or criminals captured on U.S. soil.....we should waterboard illegal, enemy combatants captured in war zones....they are breaking the law and are criminals.....who do not have the protection of the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva convention...
Confessing crimes....is that what the RW wants torture for?Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
And of course you ignore the point.....we do not waterboard the soldiers of other countries...they are protected by the convention...our military does not do it...the CIA does it.
Waterboarding is effective. It doesn't harm the people it is used on. The tell you the information you need. It saves lives.
Terrorists are not protected......and protecting them engangers innocent people. As one expert pointed out, giving terrorists the same protection as soldiers encourages soldiers to violate the laws of war.....since there will be no price to pay for not doing so...
Again.......we do not waterboard the soldiers, uniformed soldiers fighting for a nation state....and we do not waterboard American Citizens or criminals captured on U.S. soil.....we should waterboard illegal, enemy combatants captured in war zones....they are breaking the law and are criminals.....who do not have the protection of the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva convention...
A soldiers status is up to his captor
By your argument, a pilot who bombs a civilian villiage can be declared a terrorist and water boarded until he confesses his crimes
That is why torture does not work. Even if you get the "results" you wish
Do you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
And of course you ignore the point.....we do not waterboard the soldiers of other countries...they are protected by the convention...our military does not do it...the CIA does it.
Waterboarding is effective. It doesn't harm the people it is used on. The tell you the information you need. It saves lives.
Terrorists are not protected......and protecting them engangers innocent people. As one expert pointed out, giving terrorists the same protection as soldiers encourages soldiers to violate the laws of war.....since there will be no price to pay for not doing so...
Again.......we do not waterboard the soldiers, uniformed soldiers fighting for a nation state....and we do not waterboard American Citizens or criminals captured on U.S. soil.....we should waterboard illegal, enemy combatants captured in war zones....they are breaking the law and are criminals.....who do not have the protection of the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva convention...
A soldiers status is up to his captor
By your argument, a pilot who bombs a civilian villiage can be declared a terrorist and water boarded until he confesses his crimes
That is why torture does not work. Even if you get the "results" you wish
He broke in 2 and a half minutes.It worked fine on Khalid Sheik Mohammad.
Torture is good for punishment.
Torture is good to get someone to read your propaganda.
Torture is not good for getting reliable information.
It's all about punishment to those who support it.
He broke in 2 and a half minutes.It worked fine on Khalid Sheik Mohammad.
You dont water board every single enemy you capture on the battlefield. You just do the ones youre certain of, like people who were caught making bombs in their apartment, etc.Torture may be effective if you are 100% certain the person you are torturing has the information you need. The problem is when they don't.
You dont water board every single enemy you capture on the battlefield. You just do the ones youre certain of, like people who were caught making bombs in their apartment, etc.Torture may be effective if you are 100% certain the person you are torturing has the information you need. The problem is when they don't.
Being put in a prison cell for years is very traumatic, yet you are perfectly fine with that punishment. Its a hell of a lot worse than being water boarded for a couple minutes. I already know you would choose to be water boarded, rather than spend years in prison, so your position isnt very well thought out.Yes, with torture, you can get anyone to say anything you want them to say. But I am not surprised that our 'Conservatives' are all for torture. I am sure they would have loved the Inquisition, it is their nature.
Of course they workDo you support other countries being allowed to Waterboard our soldiers?
No...moron......uniformed soldiers cannot be waterboarded. That is against the Geneva Convention. Terrorists can be waterboarded because they are not protected by the Convention...they are not fighting for a national military, they do not fight according to the rules of war, and they fight without uniforms among civilian populations......
And other countries routinely torture our captured soldiers...the socialist countries are well known for that.
It is torture or it isn't.
If we declare it to be an acceptable tool to obtain information than other nations can use our own acceptance as justification for waterboarding
How can we prosecute a war crime for something we do?
And of course you ignore the point.....we do not waterboard the soldiers of other countries...they are protected by the convention...our military does not do it...the CIA does it.
Waterboarding is effective. It doesn't harm the people it is used on. The tell you the information you need. It saves lives.
Terrorists are not protected......and protecting them engangers innocent people. As one expert pointed out, giving terrorists the same protection as soldiers encourages soldiers to violate the laws of war.....since there will be no price to pay for not doing so...
Again.......we do not waterboard the soldiers, uniformed soldiers fighting for a nation state....and we do not waterboard American Citizens or criminals captured on U.S. soil.....we should waterboard illegal, enemy combatants captured in war zones....they are breaking the law and are criminals.....who do not have the protection of the U.S. Constitution or the Geneva convention...
A soldiers status is up to his captor
By your argument, a pilot who bombs a civilian villiage can be declared a terrorist and water boarded until he confesses his crimes
That is why torture does not work. Even if you get the "results" you wish
Wrong......not even close......waterboarding and torture do work.....what is it about that that you guys can 't understand...if you waterboard someone, and they lie....and you check it out....you go back to him...there is no point in lying....what you say is checked out...moron....same thing with actual torture.......they check out what you say...
They don't waterboard you, get the information and let you go.....and then think...Gosh Darn it, he lied to us and we let him go.....
Are you really that stupid...or do you just pretend to be that stupid?
You dont water board every single enemy you capture on the battlefield. You just do the ones youre certain of, like people who were caught making bombs in their apartment, etc.Torture may be effective if you are 100% certain the person you are torturing has the information you need. The problem is when they don't.
The only ones waterboarded were 3 of the high ranking leaders.....
