We are not going to let them take our businesses any longer. It's not going to happen.

[toomuchtime_]

Of course not because like all business people, he wants to make money, but by placing tariffs on goods made outside the US it becomes possible for US companies to make the same profits by manufacturing goods here as the would by making them in Mexico, for example.

Which would cause a sharp increase in the price of goods . Add to that retaliation by other. Countries .

Since righties freak over shit like higher min wage, I'm surprised they are cool with this plan?

Some goods might cost slightly more but it is unlikely these less developed countries could do much damage to our exports to them. What kind of American are you if you are willing to put other Americans out of work in order to get a slight discount on your next car?

What happened to trickle down?? Save somebody some money on their car so they can go create more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

No, that's not how it works ---- you've just demonstrated the fundamental ignorance of the issues at hand.

What happened to deregulation on businesses so they can be free to operate without the stranglehold, create more profits, which in turn creates more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

Placing tariffs on some imports does not regulate businesses, it changes the environment in which they operate.

 

[Pete7469]

What happened to trickle down?? Save somebody some money on their car so they can go create more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

No, that's Trickle Up Poverty.

Trickle Down is when someone makes a decent profit and has the decency to share it with the people who helped accomplish it.

That works when the labor market can demand it. It can't demand anything when labor is dirt cheap due to an over abundance of people.

 

[Spare_change]

Of course not because like all business people, he wants to make money, but by placing tariffs on goods made outside the US it becomes possible for US companies to make the same profits by manufacturing goods here as the would by making them in Mexico, for example.

Which would cause a sharp increase in the price of goods . Add to that retaliation by other. Countries .

Since righties freak over shit like higher min wage, I'm surprised they are cool with this plan?

Some goods might cost slightly more but it is unlikely these less developed countries could do much damage to our exports to them. What kind of American are you if you are willing to put other Americans out of work in order to get a slight discount on your next car?

What happened to trickle down?? Save somebody some money on their car so they can go create more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

No, that's not how it works ---- you've just demonstrated the fundamental ignorance of the issues at hand.

What happened to deregulation on businesses so they can be free to operate without the stranglehold, create more profits, which in turn creates more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

Cutting costs creates jobs. Redirection of corporate capital means more jobs.

Saving somebody money on their car does NOT create jobs. The buyer has a finite amount of money, and can only spend as much as he has. In the larger scheme of things, he can only buy as much "labor" as his funds.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

 

[Pete7469]

You mean a typical republican american!

I'm not totally against Trunp on this . But I need details on how this will work .

I tried picturing Timmytard pouring over "the details" and drawing a conclusion based on a rational appraisal of the facts, rather than parroting an opinion he got from some bed wetting internet source.

 

[owebo]

Of course not because like all business people, he wants to make money, but by placing tariffs on goods made outside the US it becomes possible for US companies to make the same profits by manufacturing goods here as the would by making them in Mexico, for example.

Which would cause a sharp increase in the price of goods . Add to that retaliation by other. Countries .

Since righties freak over shit like higher min wage, I'm surprised they are cool with this plan?

Some goods might cost slightly more but it is unlikely these less developed countries could do much damage to our exports to them. What kind of American are you if you are willing to put other Americans out of work in order to get a slight discount on your next car?

What happened to trickle down?? Save somebody some money on their car so they can go create more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

No, that's not how it works ---- you've just demonstrated the fundamental ignorance of the issues at hand.

What happened to deregulation on businesses so they can be free to operate without the stranglehold, create more profits, which in turn creates more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

You fascist democrats happened....

 

[toomuchtime_]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

 

[Pete7469]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Problem there is that Trump profited from buying political whores, he isn't going to undermine that system.

He's still better than Hitlery, but so would a member of an uncontacted amazonian tribe.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

 

[owebo]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

I remember Ross Perot telling us to listen to the sucking sound as democrats shipped our jobs to Mexico because of nafta.....

 

[Indeependent]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

Wrong again...
The President has ENORMOUS power when it comes to Foreign Trade.

 

[owebo]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

I can't wait until Trump gets your Obamas pen, and phone....

 

[Pete7469]

What happened to deregulation on businesses so they can be free to operate without the stranglehold, create more profits, which in turn creates more jobs... Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

Giant Corporations bought the political whores that regulated the fuck out of the economy and made competition with them nearly impossible. You don't believe the corporations resisted the regulations all the time do you? In many cases they promoted the regulation to stifle competition, and having political whores in their pockets shield them from prosecution.

Fuck... they get bailed out rather than prosecuted.

Take away the power from the feds to regulate to the extent they have and turn it to the states where it belongs.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

They don't have to sign it. The US can impose tariffs on imports from Mexico without their agreement. You know, there was life and trade before NAFTA.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

Wrong again...
The President has ENORMOUS power when it comes to Foreign Trade.

Okay............I'll bite...........exactly HOW (please provide at least 3 examples of this enormous power) would Trump be able to force Mexico to sign a trade agreement that is good for us, but less good for them?

 

[owebo]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

Wrong again...
The President has ENORMOUS power when it comes to Foreign Trade.

Okay............I'll bite...........exactly HOW (please provide at least 3 examples of this enormous power) would Trump be able to force Mexico to sign a trade agreement that is good for us, but less good for them?

Send it to them?

 

[ABikerSailor]

So, Owebo, you think that just sending a trade agreement that improves NAFTA for us, but reduces Mexico's participation will be signed just because Trump sends it to them?

You've gotta be f**king kidding me.

 

[Indeependent]

Quick question..................do any of you REALLY believe that Trump is going to be able to somehow wave a magical pen that will bring back jobs?

Sorry...............not gonna happen. All he can do as president is lobby Congress to make a better trade agreement for us, but if Congress doesn't pass it, he can't sign it into law.

Besides.............if you REALLY want to bring back jobs to the US, you're gonna have to convince Congress that they have to quit listening to corporate lobbyists who only have the interests of big business at heart, and start listening to the people and actually looking at what is going on in their district and state.

Of course, he will be able to persuade Congress, and this is why:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters think the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada and Mexico needs to be renegotiated. Just 27% disagree, but nearly as many (23%) are not sure. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Voters Aren’t Happy with NAFTA, Other Free Trade Deals - Rasmussen Reports™

Among those who will support him are the trade unions which have always been opposed to NAFTA. Even Hillary now says NAFTA was a mistake.

Don't forget the other part of the equation, because Mexico has to accept it as well. If they don't like it, they won't sign it.

And there is nothing Trump can do to force them.

Wrong again...
The President has ENORMOUS power when it comes to Foreign Trade.

Okay............I'll bite...........exactly HOW (please provide at least 3 examples of this enormous power) would Trump be able to force Mexico to sign a trade agreement that is good for us, but less good for them?

It's quite simple...
Place a 20% Tariff on those goods and within 3 months we will have state of the art factories built by those willing to invest and fill in the vacuum.
You are one of those who finds it very simple for 1 million Americans to lose their jobs within the span of a year, but to regain those jobs you cry "foul".
I live and work on Long Island and I have seen SOTA Malls built well within 3 months.

 

[Indeependent]

So, Owebo, you think that just sending a trade agreement that improves NAFTA for us, but reduces Mexico's participation will be signed just because Trump sends it to them?

You've gotta be f**king kidding me.

Mexico stands to lose up to 50 billion a year in business.
Or you're basically stating that the US is not up to any task that doesn't include cheap labor.

 

[owebo]

So, Owebo, you think that just sending a trade agreement that improves NAFTA for us, but reduces Mexico's participation will be signed just because Trump sends it to them?

You've gotta be f**king kidding me.

So, you never negotiated anything.....you're clueless, we get it.....