What If?

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Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
NO...it was bankrupt...still is. Same with AMC. ten years ago they might have been decent to invest in...but not in the past two years.
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
NO...it was bankrupt...still is. Same with AMC. ten years ago they might have been decent to invest in...but not in the past two years.

So it was okay for hedge funds to short bad companies?
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
NO...it was bankrupt...still is. Same with AMC. ten years ago they might have been decent to invest in...but not in the past two years.

So it was okay for hedge funds to short bad companies?
Not the point or the question.
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
NO...it was bankrupt...still is. Same with AMC. ten years ago they might have been decent to invest in...but not in the past two years.

So it was okay for hedge funds to short bad companies?
Not the point or the question.

We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

What's your point?

Hedge funds shouldn't be allowed to short a good company?

Hedge funds shouldn't be allowed to short a bad company?
 
We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

Was GME a good company to invest in?
NO...it was bankrupt...still is. Same with AMC. ten years ago they might have been decent to invest in...but not in the past two years.

So it was okay for hedge funds to short bad companies?
Not the point or the question.

We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

What's your point?

Hedge funds shouldn't be allowed to short a good company?

Hedge funds shouldn't be allowed to short a bad company?
Should the average citizen be allowed to seek vengeance against anyone they see fit? even if it is just financial?
Even if it is a foreign country?

I could care less about a hedge fund doing the business they wanted to do...quit being a moron and extremely obtuse.
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
Just because we don't like their activities doesn't mean that it's illegal. Selling marijuana isn't illegal anymore but that doesn't mean that I like the practice.
It's not relevant.

What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?
 
What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?

Attacks them how? Selling one of their stocks short?
Shorting their currency?
Buying their currency?
 
What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?

Attacks them how? Selling one of their stocks short?
Shorting their currency?
Buying their currency?
Do you not understand anything about the global economy?

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar. But that isn't really relevant. The relevant part is that the money that makes every economy in the world runs through the stock exchanges in America. Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

How do you NOT know?

Not even Afghanistan, China, or Russia are outside of the American markets.
 
What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?

Attacks them how? Selling one of their stocks short?
Shorting their currency?
Buying their currency?
Do you not understand anything about the global economy?

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar. But that isn't really relevant. The relevant part is that the money that makes every economy in the world runs through the stock exchanges in America. Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

How do you NOT know?

Not even Afghanistan, China, or Russia are outside of the American markets.

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar.

Backed? Backed how? Be specific.

Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

Most? Sounds unlikely. Link?

How do you NOT know?

There are a lot of crazy people making a lot of crazy claims, why am I supposed to know yours?

Were my questions too complex for you?
 
What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?

Attacks them how? Selling one of their stocks short?
Shorting their currency?
Buying their currency?
Do you not understand anything about the global economy?

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar. But that isn't really relevant. The relevant part is that the money that makes every economy in the world runs through the stock exchanges in America. Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

How do you NOT know?

Not even Afghanistan, China, or Russia are outside of the American markets.

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar.

Backed? Backed how? Be specific.

Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

Most? Sounds unlikely. Link?

How do you NOT know?

There are a lot of crazy people making a lot of crazy claims, why am I supposed to know yours?

Were my questions too complex for you?
No...but obviously my questions are above your ability to understand.

This is the stock market forum...there is an expectation that participants have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics. Which you apparently don't have.
 
What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?

Attacks them how? Selling one of their stocks short?
Shorting their currency?
Buying their currency?
Do you not understand anything about the global economy?

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar. But that isn't really relevant. The relevant part is that the money that makes every economy in the world runs through the stock exchanges in America. Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

How do you NOT know?

Not even Afghanistan, China, or Russia are outside of the American markets.

Over 80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar.

Backed? Backed how? Be specific.

Most goods and manufacturing for the whole world goes through US Markets.

Most? Sounds unlikely. Link?

How do you NOT know?

There are a lot of crazy people making a lot of crazy claims, why am I supposed to know yours?

Were my questions too complex for you?
No...but obviously my questions are above your ability to understand.

This is the stock market forum...there is an expectation that participants have at least a rudimentary understanding of economics. Which you apparently don't have.

No...but obviously my questions are above your ability to understand.

Oh no, Wall Street Bets is gonna attack Afghanistan. DURR

Now.....80% of the world's currencies are backed by the US dollar? LOL!
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
Just because we don't like their activities doesn't mean that it's illegal. Selling marijuana isn't illegal anymore but that doesn't mean that I like the practice.
It's not relevant.

What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?
Soros actually did that in Greece by financing the activism creating the Greek riots that crashed the markets.
I was lucky enough to be doing weird hours/messed up sleep pattern and watching early premarket and foreign markets, knew the riots would affect our fragile markets and was one of those people redoing all my 20% drop bids to 40-50-60% low ball bids, so when we had one of the worst market crashes some of my low ball bids hit and shot up from those scared off drops thus gained from the lows 40% from purchase price, made up for my 20% losses on many stocks held and gave me one of my best trading days ever, without shorting the market.
Pure luck mixed with intuition and knowledge of human behavior (lost confidence) by the riots.
Soros made enough that day to finance our riots with for decades and the swamp critters let him.
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
Just because we don't like their activities doesn't mean that it's illegal. Selling marijuana isn't illegal anymore but that doesn't mean that I like the practice.
It's not relevant.

What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?
Soros actually did that in Greece by financing the activism creating the Greek riots that crashed the markets.
I was lucky enough to be doing weird hours/messed up sleep pattern and watching early premarket and foreign markets, knew the riots would affect our fragile markets and was one of those people redoing all my 20% drop bids to 40-50-60% low ball bids, so when we had one of the worst market crashes some of my low ball bids hit and shot up from those scared off drops thus gained from the lows 40% from purchase price, made up for my 20% losses on many stocks held and gave me one of my best trading days ever, without shorting the market.
Pure luck mixed with intuition and knowledge of human behavior (lost confidence) by the riots.
Soros made enough that day to finance our riots with for decades and the swamp critters let him.
Greece was already in trouble and weak from welfare programs they didn't have a large enough tax base to support as well as heavy heavy borrowing from the EU central bank that they had no means to pay either. (Still don't)
Their bankruptcy has really hurt the EU.

Now if something like that happened to a country with a large military complex...now we are talking about trouble with a capital "T".
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
Just because we don't like their activities doesn't mean that it's illegal. Selling marijuana isn't illegal anymore but that doesn't mean that I like the practice.
It's not relevant.

What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?
Soros actually did that in Greece by financing the activism creating the Greek riots that crashed the markets.
I was lucky enough to be doing weird hours/messed up sleep pattern and watching early premarket and foreign markets, knew the riots would affect our fragile markets and was one of those people redoing all my 20% drop bids to 40-50-60% low ball bids, so when we had one of the worst market crashes some of my low ball bids hit and shot up from those scared off drops thus gained from the lows 40% from purchase price, made up for my 20% losses on many stocks held and gave me one of my best trading days ever, without shorting the market.
Pure luck mixed with intuition and knowledge of human behavior (lost confidence) by the riots.
Soros made enough that day to finance our riots with for decades and the swamp critters let him.
Greece was already in trouble and weak from welfare programs they didn't have a large enough tax base to support as well as heavy heavy borrowing from the EU central bank that they had no means to pay either. (Still don't)
Their bankruptcy has really hurt the EU.

Now if something like that happened to a country with a large military complex...now we are talking about trouble with a capital "T".
That's why in the beginning of their formation of the EU I said it would hurt markets without that ability to weave in and out of seperated economies and trends, they lose those checks and balances as well.
And I foresaw a day when nations got tired and wanting to leave the Union because of having to pull the slack of failed economy poor spending nations, not paying their fair share etc.
Costing good economies like Germany and Britain to tow the weight and drag down their prosperity.
 
Everyone is caught up in Wall Street Bets reddit page and what they are doing...

Collectively they are attacking and winning wars against hedge funds. The latest casualty is a hedge fund in the UK. Completely bankrupt and folding.

Now this sort of thing is not illegal...far from it. But these guys have now collectively shuttered several hedge funds. Caused several companies to be capitalized way beyond any sort of reasonable logic. GameStop, Clovis, AMC, and Torchlight.

Now...the reason they did this is because of the growing number of hedge funds that have unreasonably shorted several companies that were profitable to lose all their capitalization. Others had lost sizable amounts of money they had invested because the stock caught the eye of the hedge funds and became a target of the hedge funds. We all have been there where we have picked through hundreds of stocks and metrics on hundreds of companies to find a good company to invest in when all of a sudden a hedge fund discovered it as well as a prime target of opportunity to short.

And instead of capital gains you begin to lose money because of the shorting and lack of volume.

Here comes the question...

Governments fight wars...but what happens when it's citizens do it without approval?

Let me paint a scenario...the Colonial pipeline is a privately owned company...but there are plenty of public ones. What if a publicly traded company was the focus of a cyber attack? One that was a darling of this Wall Street Bets reddit page.

Now these days these guys have made some money from their various collective investments...they have a lot more money than they started with. Their $50 accounts are now flush with $5,000 or better...some with 7 digits.

There's no telling what they could accomplish in a warfare situation like that...where there's likely some hackers following along with them themselves...(they want a new game system)
Hedge funds don't just short stocks, they also manipulate with false rumors, fake manipulated bid/ asks (pulled away even when price is met),
online AP hit pieces, timed revaluated lowered price targets, down grades, and loads of class action law suits strategically placed daily to continue pressing prices down till they hit their cover mark and goal.
Just because we don't like their activities doesn't mean that it's illegal. Selling marijuana isn't illegal anymore but that doesn't mean that I like the practice.
It's not relevant.

What happens if Wall Street Bets decides they don't like a country anymore and financially attacks them? Highly likely and possible.

What do we do then?
Soros actually did that in Greece by financing the activism creating the Greek riots that crashed the markets.
I was lucky enough to be doing weird hours/messed up sleep pattern and watching early premarket and foreign markets, knew the riots would affect our fragile markets and was one of those people redoing all my 20% drop bids to 40-50-60% low ball bids, so when we had one of the worst market crashes some of my low ball bids hit and shot up from those scared off drops thus gained from the lows 40% from purchase price, made up for my 20% losses on many stocks held and gave me one of my best trading days ever, without shorting the market.
Pure luck mixed with intuition and knowledge of human behavior (lost confidence) by the riots.
Soros made enough that day to finance our riots with for decades and the swamp critters let him.
Greece was already in trouble and weak from welfare programs they didn't have a large enough tax base to support as well as heavy heavy borrowing from the EU central bank that they had no means to pay either. (Still don't)
Their bankruptcy has really hurt the EU.

Now if something like that happened to a country with a large military complex...now we are talking about trouble with a capital "T".
That's why in the beginning of their formation of the EU I said it would hurt markets without that ability to weave in and out of seperated economies and trends, they lose those checks and balances as well.
And I foresaw a day when nations got tired and wanting to leave the Union because of having to pull the slack of failed economy poor spending nations, not paying their fair share etc.
Costing good economies like Germany and Britain to tow the weight and drag down their prosperity.
Absolutely... currently the weight of the EU is being propped up by Germany and Austria ever since Brexit...the GBP holds its own just fine. But their issue mainly was the unrestricted and unrestrained immigration all wishing for welfare programs that GB knew they couldn't afford. I've always admired the UK for understanding how to actually balance a budget. So many other nations don't.

And the EU better figure out how to solve their economics issues or there is going to be more issues.
 

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