When America Veered Left

[PoliticalChic]

1. Perhaps the easiest way to get thoughtful individuals to agree to dangerous, odoriferous policies is to have them focus on one tiny aspect rather than the whole picture.

This post is in 'Economics,' but it applies equally to History and Politics.

The progressive reforms of the early 20th century were important in curbing runaway capitalism....but should have been sun-set based on their successes, the burgeoning middle class.

Instead, the elites used played out issues to accrue more and more power....it is why they love a crisis!

2. Every progressive change to society should be viewed against the past, and the future.
Their changes should be seen as attacks on the Constitution, the only document by which Americans have agreed to be governed.

a. Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury






3. Compare that sentiment to those of the group that took control of the nation mid 20th century.

It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said:
'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63


4. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. FDR's adviser General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins, Sec'y of Labor, the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

5. .... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator." Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty







6. Under the above administration the United States was no longer headed in the direction that our Founders envisioned.

a. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit.




So....due to the crisis of the Depression, extended by the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, and the world war, Americans accepted a loss of liberty.

And the loss hasn't ended, merely gathered steam.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6." ... the NRA soon disillusioned labor, the farmers, consumers, business men, and everyone else except for the 6,000 members of the Washington staff and those who worked for the local code authorities. Consumers complained it was a scheme to jack up prices and keep them up."
Manly, Op.Cit.



7. People were beginning to recognize the fascist nature of the code when they saw:

"... the jailing of a New Jersey tailor named Jack Magid, whose crime was pressing a suit for thirty-five cents when the code fixed the price at forty cents."
The Supreme Court, n May 27, 1935, declared the NRA unconstitutional.
(The court ruled that Congress had delegated the law-making authority to the President and the NRA.)

 

[DGS49]

Roosevelt understood that if the Supreme Court's power to "interpret" laws and Constitution was absolute (and it is wrongly deemed so), then all he had to do was populate the Supreme Court with similar-minded progressives and the Constitution could be re-written to say anything desired.

Thus, we have a whole body of "Constitutional" law that is 180 degrees out of synch with the words and intentions of the Constitution.

One could write a book.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. One generally thinks of the Soviet Union when the topic of command and control economics comes up.
And not in a good way. Want to see why?

Private capital investment 1923-1932 had been, per yearly average, 3.7 billion. For the six years, 1933-1938, it was $669 million per year.... less than the single year 1930, when it was 4.4 billion. This was the result of the program to centralize credit in the hands of
government via regulations, subsidies, loans, and by such controlled, at least in part, some 23,000 corporations." Manly, Op.Cit.



a. Karl Marx had the idea before Franklin Roosevelt.

" Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Roosevelt understood that if the Supreme Court's power to "interpret" laws and Constitution was absolute (and it is wrongly deemed so), then all he had to do was populate the Supreme Court with similar-minded progressives and the Constitution could be re-written to say anything desired.

Thus, we have a whole body of "Constitutional" law that is 180 degrees out of synch with the words and intentions of the Constitution.

One could write a book.

1. Actually, he didn't even have to actually re-populate the court.

They behaved as cowards, and simply bowed to his wishes.

Check out the vaunted Charles Evans Hughes' behavior"


2. To see the abject cowardice of the Justices, note that in invalidating the Guffey-Vinson Coal Act on May 18, 1936, less than a year before Roosevelt attempted to pack the court, Justice Charles Evans Hughes said that federal laws restricting local labor relations provisions were unconstitutional, that "the relations of employer and employee is a local relation" and "the evils are all local evils over which the federal government has no legislative control."

He went on to say "Otherwise in view of the multitude of indirect effects Congress in its discretion could assume control of virtually all of the activities of the people to the subversion of the fundamental principles of the Constitution." And..."... it is not for the court to amend the Constitution by judicial decision."


Atta boy, Hughes!!!

The US Constitution is inviolable!!!


Sort of......



3. Proof of Roosevelt's total control of another branch of government came just eleven months later: Chief Justice Hughes, spoke for the majority in finding the Wagner Labor Relations Act constitutional.
Yes, he said...Congress could regulate labor relations in manufacturing plants.


So much for life-time appointment making the Justices untouchable.

 

[norwegen]

America veered to the Left? But, but . . . liberals FOUNDED this country!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Always easy to out PC. Check her comment "Private capital investment 1923-1932 had been, per yearly average, 3.7 billion. For the six years, 1933-1938, it was $669 million per year...." against the graph below.

Gross Domestic Product and Gross Private Investment: 1929?1950 | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Always easy to out PC. Check her comment "Private capital investment 1923-1932 had been, per yearly average, 3.7 billion. For the six years, 1933-1938, it was $669 million per year...." against the graph below.

Gross Domestic Product and Gross Private Investment: 1929?1950 | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)

"Investment recovered more slowly. Even in 1941, when stimulus from the defense mobilization had become substantial, real GPI had not quite regained its 1929 level. For what the data are worth, they show that private investment plunged to very low levels during the years the United States was a declared belligerent."


Thank you....your graph shows exactly what I stated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not only did the economic controls on the economy follow the wishes of Karl Marx himself....but the wink-and-a-nod from the Roosevelt administration made certain that communists had free rein.



9. " The Communists immediately took over the NLRB, which became a government
enforcement arm of the communist organization campaign in the heavy industries."
Manly, Op. Cit.

 

[jillian]

America started off as radical…the tories were the "right".

if you lived then, you'd have been a tory talking about the unwashed masses who had the nerve to destroy property belonging to the east india company.

just an observation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

America started off as radical…the tories were the "right".

if you lived then, you'd have been a tory talking about the unwashed masses who had the nerve to destroy property belonging to the east india company.

just an observation.

"America started off as radical…"



Let's remind exactly what form that 'radicalism' took:

1. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” http://fff.org/freedom/fd0203c.asp

2. Unlike classical liberalism, which saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly, modern liberalism is very different, having the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve.’

Thus progressive reformers saw the home as the front line in the war to transform men into compliant social organs. Government schooling, indoctrination.



3. Sadly, the modern Liberal has radicalized society in the very opposite direction:
More than two decades ago, German sociologist Ralf Dahrendorf wrote that the hallmark of a modern liberal democratic society is the extent to which individually achieved status replaces the ascribed group status of traditional pre-modern times. Today, however, for "cultural democrats," what matters are not individual citizens, but distinct peoples, ethnic groups, and cultural blocs.
Hudson Institute > Will Liberal Democracy Survive?

 

[Derideo_Te]

1. Perhaps the easiest way to get thoughtful individuals to agree to dangerous, odoriferous policies is to have them focus on one tiny aspect rather than the whole picture.

This post is in 'Economics,' but it applies equally to History and Politics.

The progressive reforms of the early 20th century were important in curbing runaway capitalism....but should have been sun-set based on their successes, the burgeoning middle class.

Instead, the elites used played out issues to accrue more and more power....it is why they love a crisis!

2. Every progressive change to society should be viewed against the past, and the future.
Their changes should be seen as attacks on the Constitution, the only document by which Americans have agreed to be governed.

a. Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury






3. Compare that sentiment to those of the group that took control of the nation mid 20th century.

It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said:
'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63


4. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. FDR's adviser General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins, Sec'y of Labor, the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

5. .... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator." Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty







6. Under the above administration the United States was no longer headed in the direction that our Founders envisioned.

a. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit.




So....due to the crisis of the Depression, extended by the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, and the world war, Americans accepted a loss of liberty.

And the loss hasn't ended, merely gathered steam.

Please provide the full text and link to the actual document where Jefferson is alleged to have made that quote about the "General Welfare" clause.

 

[norwegen]

America started off as radical…the tories were the "right".

if you lived then, you'd have been a tory talking about the unwashed masses who had the nerve to destroy property belonging to the east india company.

just an observation.

Many Tories emigrated to England because they supported the Crown. The Americans otherwise shifted from the right with the Articles of Confederation to the center with the Constitution. They were Whigs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Perhaps the easiest way to get thoughtful individuals to agree to dangerous, odoriferous policies is to have them focus on one tiny aspect rather than the whole picture.

This post is in 'Economics,' but it applies equally to History and Politics.

The progressive reforms of the early 20th century were important in curbing runaway capitalism....but should have been sun-set based on their successes, the burgeoning middle class.

Instead, the elites used played out issues to accrue more and more power....it is why they love a crisis!

2. Every progressive change to society should be viewed against the past, and the future.
Their changes should be seen as attacks on the Constitution, the only document by which Americans have agreed to be governed.

a. Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury






3. Compare that sentiment to those of the group that took control of the nation mid 20th century.

It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said:
'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63


4. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. FDR's adviser General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins, Sec'y of Labor, the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

5. .... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator." Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty







6. Under the above administration the United States was no longer headed in the direction that our Founders envisioned.

a. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit.




So....due to the crisis of the Depression, extended by the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, and the world war, Americans accepted a loss of liberty.

And the loss hasn't ended, merely gathered steam.

Please provide the full text and link to the actual document where Jefferson is alleged to have made that quote about the "General Welfare" clause.

Why?

 

[Derideo_Te]

1. Perhaps the easiest way to get thoughtful individuals to agree to dangerous, odoriferous policies is to have them focus on one tiny aspect rather than the whole picture.

This post is in 'Economics,' but it applies equally to History and Politics.

The progressive reforms of the early 20th century were important in curbing runaway capitalism....but should have been sun-set based on their successes, the burgeoning middle class.

Instead, the elites used played out issues to accrue more and more power....it is why they love a crisis!

2. Every progressive change to society should be viewed against the past, and the future.
Their changes should be seen as attacks on the Constitution, the only document by which Americans have agreed to be governed.

a. Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:
To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." US Department of the Treasury






3. Compare that sentiment to those of the group that took control of the nation mid 20th century.

It is a fact that none of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said:
'Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution." Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.63


4. Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. FDR's adviser General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins, Sec'y of Labor, the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."
The NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system.

a. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..." New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.

5. .... Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator." Fascism: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty







6. Under the above administration the United States was no longer headed in the direction that our Founders envisioned.

a. " Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to•the Soviet Union."
Manly, Op.Cit.




So....due to the crisis of the Depression, extended by the policies of Franklin Roosevelt, and the world war, Americans accepted a loss of liberty.

And the loss hasn't ended, merely gathered steam.

Please provide the full text and link to the actual document where Jefferson is alleged to have made that quote about the "General Welfare" clause.

Why?

Because that quotation requires verification as being authentic. If you cannot prove that it is an authentic quotation your entire OP is based upon a falsehood.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Please provide the full text and link to the actual document where Jefferson is alleged to have made that quote about the "General Welfare" clause.

Why?

Because that quotation requires verification as being authentic. If you cannot prove that it is an authentic quotation your entire OP is based upon a falsehood.

1. Everything I provide is authentic and correct.

2. I have absolutely no difficulty nor disagreement with providing authentication.

3. I have only one, simple, requirement....and that is, that you provide proof of any ability to learn.

I say that based on having seen your posts, and noted, to be kind, they have evidenced no such ability.

In fact, you have, with metronomic regularity, refused to accept anything that you didn't believe to begin with-

Therefore I have concluded that the end product of my providing what you have asked, or not providing, will furnish exactly the same outcome.


a. I would be copacetic with providing said authentication to any whose intellect I have respect. When I think of all the people I respect the most, you're right there, serving them drinks.
Please have anyone else....anyone....ask for the authentication and it will be provided.


I'd like to continue this riposte, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Why?

Because that quotation requires verification as being authentic. If you cannot prove that it is an authentic quotation your entire OP is based upon a falsehood.

1. Everything I provide is authentic and correct.

2. I have absolutely no difficulty nor disagreement with providing authentication.

3. I have only one, simple, requirement....and that is, that you provide proof of any ability to learn.

I say that based on having seen your posts, and noted, to be kind, they have evidenced no such ability.

In fact, you have, with metronomic regularity, refused to accept anything that you didn't believe to begin with-

Therefore I have concluded that the end product of my providing what you have asked, or not providing, will furnish exactly the same outcome.


a. I would be copacetic with providing said authentication to any whose intellect I have respect. When I think of all the people I respect the most, you're right there, serving them drinks.
Please have anyone else....anyone....ask for the authentication and it will be provided.


I'd like to continue this riposte, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

Thank you for tacitly conceding that your OP is based upon deliberate falsehoods and disinformation. That you cannot defend your OP and instead have to resort to petty insults proves that you know this too but lack the honesty and integrity to admit as much. Have a nice day!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Because that quotation requires verification as being authentic. If you cannot prove that it is an authentic quotation your entire OP is based upon a falsehood.

1. Everything I provide is authentic and correct.

2. I have absolutely no difficulty nor disagreement with providing authentication.

3. I have only one, simple, requirement....and that is, that you provide proof of any ability to learn.

I say that based on having seen your posts, and noted, to be kind, they have evidenced no such ability.

In fact, you have, with metronomic regularity, refused to accept anything that you didn't believe to begin with-

Therefore I have concluded that the end product of my providing what you have asked, or not providing, will furnish exactly the same outcome.


a. I would be copacetic with providing said authentication to any whose intellect I have respect. When I think of all the people I respect the most, you're right there, serving them drinks.
Please have anyone else....anyone....ask for the authentication and it will be provided.


I'd like to continue this riposte, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

Thank you for tacitly conceding that your OP is based upon deliberate falsehoods and disinformation. That you cannot defend your OP and instead have to resort to petty insults proves that you know this too but lack the honesty and integrity to admit as much. Have a nice day!

Thank you for admitting all of the following:

1. You never read past that quote.

2. That there is no other person who will speak to you, so you could ask for them to request the authentication.

3. Making it clear that you're as dumb as asphalt.


BTW....there's nothing petty about my insults.
I'm very careful of how I express my opinions of you because I want to put as much vituperation in them as possible.


Dope.

 

[Derideo_Te]

1. Everything I provide is authentic and correct.

2. I have absolutely no difficulty nor disagreement with providing authentication.

3. I have only one, simple, requirement....and that is, that you provide proof of any ability to learn.

I say that based on having seen your posts, and noted, to be kind, they have evidenced no such ability.

In fact, you have, with metronomic regularity, refused to accept anything that you didn't believe to begin with-

Therefore I have concluded that the end product of my providing what you have asked, or not providing, will furnish exactly the same outcome.


a. I would be copacetic with providing said authentication to any whose intellect I have respect. When I think of all the people I respect the most, you're right there, serving them drinks.
Please have anyone else....anyone....ask for the authentication and it will be provided.


I'd like to continue this riposte, but I’m very busy…I have several more quarters to flip.

Thank you for tacitly conceding that your OP is based upon deliberate falsehoods and disinformation. That you cannot defend your OP and instead have to resort to petty insults proves that you know this too but lack the honesty and integrity to admit as much. Have a nice day!

Thank you for admitting all of the following:

1. You never read past that quote.

2. That there is no other person who will speak to you, so you could ask for them to request the authentication.

3. Making it clear that you're as dumb as asphalt.


BTW....there's nothing petty about my insults.
I'm very careful of how I express my opinions of you because I want to put as much vituperation in them as possible.


Dope.

You work so hard for so little in the way of results, PoliticalSpice!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thank you for tacitly conceding that your OP is based upon deliberate falsehoods and disinformation. That you cannot defend your OP and instead have to resort to petty insults proves that you know this too but lack the honesty and integrity to admit as much. Have a nice day!

Thank you for admitting all of the following:

1. You never read past that quote.

2. That there is no other person who will speak to you, so you could ask for them to request the authentication.

3. Making it clear that you're as dumb as asphalt.


BTW....there's nothing petty about my insults.
I'm very careful of how I express my opinions of you because I want to put as much vituperation in them as possible.


Dope.

You work so hard for so little in the way of results, PoliticalSpice!

Still couldn't find anyone to ask?

If you need a shoulder to cry on....pull over to the side of the road.