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There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
www.coolidgefoundation.org
That doesnt really make your case any better. You seem to be on the same wavelength as Hitler.
Ok, thanks for that.That doesnt really make your case any better. You seem to be on the same wavelength as Hitler.
I am an Authoritarian, a Nationalist, an Isolationist, a Misogynist, and a Fiscal/Social Conservative. So I do have some similar ideals to Hitler. You’ll also notice some of those things are very different from his view.
Riiiiight....But he was involved in turning the economy around by cutting taxes and bureaucracy.....They were the "roaring '20s" for a reason.There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
There was also one in the 1890’s...
Still if you use those dates he was not President then either...
He became President after the death of Harding in 1923...
When a party relies so heavily on stopping people from voting they have a real problem. They need a better proposition.
Why this election calls into question whether America is a democracy
At the beginning of the Fight to Vote project, we asked this question. After a year of election battles, voting restrictions and partisan conflicts, we revisit the ideawww.theguardian.com
Riiiiight....But he was involved in turning the economy around by cutting taxes and bureaucracy.....They were the "roaring '20s" for a reason.There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
There was also one in the 1890’s...
Still if you use those dates he was not President then either...
He became President after the death of Harding in 1923...
The depression of 1920-'22 is what I referenced.....That Coolidge isn't considered a "great leader" says more about those doing the rankings than how he actually led the nation.Riiiiight....But he was involved in turning the economy around by cutting taxes and bureaucracy.....They were the "roaring '20s" for a reason.There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
There was also one in the 1890’s...
Still if you use those dates he was not President then either...
He became President after the death of Harding in 1923...
And yet as I have pointed out he really had nothing to do with the Great Depression and the period of time you mentioned Harding was President and Coolidge did run a small government era he is not viewed as a great leader of his day.
I will state is was the closest thing you will ever get as a Libertarian President and the only other very Conservative President was Andrew Jackson...
Your leftist Tyrannical side is showing clear today with that post.........Your entire post was LOOK THERE............my Tribe sucks so bad that I have to always attack someone else to keep you from looking at us.That can't start until Trump and Trumpism are effectively eradicated.
The depression of 1920-'22 is what I referenced.....That Coolidge isn't considered a "great leader" says more about those doing the rankings than how he actually led the nation.Riiiiight....But he was involved in turning the economy around by cutting taxes and bureaucracy.....They were the "roaring '20s" for a reason.There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
There was also one in the 1890’s...
Still if you use those dates he was not President then either...
He became President after the death of Harding in 1923...
And yet as I have pointed out he really had nothing to do with the Great Depression and the period of time you mentioned Harding was President and Coolidge did run a small government era he is not viewed as a great leader of his day.
I will state is was the closest thing you will ever get as a Libertarian President and the only other very Conservative President was Andrew Jackson...
That there was a depression in the 1890s is entirely beside the point....Coolidge kept and accelerated the Harding policies....There's no counter-argument to this historical fact.There was a depression from 1920-'22 in the wake of WWI that nobody ever talks about....Wonder why?Coolidge turned a depression around by cutting gubmint....Doesn't get anymore fiscally conservative than that.Coolidge.You first have to explain how and when Trump ever became Conservative because even those voting for him know he is not one ever...
Most GOP tend to lean Social Conservative and play fiscal conservative when out of power but there has never been a true blue Conservative President on the fiscal side of the coin and never will be or Ron Paul would have been elected...
You got it, Jack.
That is the issue with discussing the Conservative movement and reality of it being applied by the GOP...
Fact is Trump, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and so on were never fiscal Conservative but had shown social conservatism except for Trump...
Nixon, Ike and Roosevelt were progressive for their time and would never be considered Conservative by any means...
So it does make me wonder when the left open this discussion why do they make the mistake thinking America ever had a true blue Conservative President?
We have had moderate to progressive Presidents and a few Social Conservative Presidents but never a fiscal Conservative unless you want to count Andrew Jackson?
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The Depression happened on Hoover watch which gave us FDR... Coolidge had already left office in 1929 when the crash happened...
He is considered small Government but he had nothing to do with turning the Depression around and neither did FDR...
It was a war that pulled us out of it...
President Coolidge’s Economics Lesson
There was also one in the 1890’s...
Still if you use those dates he was not President then either...
He became President after the death of Harding in 1923...
The right way. Slowly, through the culture.Will that be done by the guillotine, hangman's noose, firing squad, or gas chamber?.....That can't start until Trump and Trumpism are effectively eradicated.
*****SMILE*****
I'm as liberal as they come!"Worthy members" lolLiberalism in this country is dead. You idiots that are claiming regressive statism as liberalism are raping the meaning of the term.
Georgia poll: Joe Biden ahead of Donald Trump, Democratic Senate candidates lead among registered voters
Former Vice President Joe Biden has a five-percentage-point lead over President Donald Trump, according to the latest Monmouth University poll.eu.usatoday.com
If the polls are correct the right is due for an uncomfortable time this week.
What is the future of conservatism ?
I am guessing that it could go in several directions.
Firstly it could continue with the culture wars stuff that brought Trump to power. Gays,statues, abortion, woke, blacks, "reds under the beds" and so on. But that has a limited appeal. A more polished politician than Trump might pull it off but as a strategy it will only appeal to a limited base.
Or they could rethink and position themselves as a more palatable option. Fiscal responsibility, building alliances, socially moderate, and most of all, inclusive.
If Biden and then Harris screw up they would be placed to return to power.
Is that a possibility or do the current personnel dictate that this is not an option ?
There has to be a strategy that is not based on demonising large and growing parts of the electorate.
Of course Trump could end up triumphant this time but the demographics are still against his brand of politics.
We've seen this movie before....
The takeaway is, I believe, that we're seeing the fracture of ideology from party or, perhaps, seeing the fracture more clearly.
Both the left and the right by the way.
Personally, I find the Democrats an extremely imperfect vehicle for liberalism for example.
So to answer your question, in 2012, the GOP had a famous post-mortem that said they needed to expand the party. Lindsay Graham said something along the lines of "We're not generating enough angry white men". And in the next election cycle, their candidate has actively tried to shrink the party to nothing but personal loyalists...conservative or not...republican or not (he calls Jared and Ivanka "democrats")
View attachment 408777
Where does conservatism go? It increases. It's going to grow. It's going to get more powerful.
Where does liberalism go? It increases. It's going to grow. It's going to get more powerful.
Where does moderation go? It is going to shrink and become a thing of the past.
I am a liberal. You and your ilk are not.
Do you understand now?
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”
George Washington
I would like the poster describe in their own words what a worthy member is?
Also I am more liberal than you but we ain’t progressive!
Was he though?
I mean the last true fiscal Conservative this country ever had as a President had to be Andrew Jackson...
All the rest never passed the smell test...
The right way. Slowly, through the culture.Will that be done by the guillotine, hangman's noose, firing squad, or gas chamber?.....That can't start until Trump and Trumpism are effectively eradicated.
*****SMILE*****
View attachment 409734
Any time you want to sit down have a beer, go to the biologically correct bathroom, keep your hands off my knee and my junk, quit bitching about how I was born with white privilege and how I'm inherently racist, stop looting and burning down local business because that's 'social justice', quit demanding monetary compensation for things that happened well over a hundred years ago,..... I'm sure there's a couple other things,..... (Oh yeah!) and just mellow the fuck out, perhaps I'll let you become assimilated into my culture.
*****CHUCKLE*****
The right way. Slowly, through the culture.Will that be done by the guillotine, hangman's noose, firing squad, or gas chamber?.....That can't start until Trump and Trumpism are effectively eradicated.
*****SMILE*****
View attachment 409734
Any time you want to sit down have a beer, go to the biologically correct bathroom, keep your hands off my knee and my junk, quit bitching about how I was born with white privilege and how I'm inherently racist, stop looting and burning down local business because that's 'social justice', quit demanding monetary compensation for things that happened well over a hundred years ago,..... I'm sure there's a couple other things,..... (Oh yeah!) and just mellow the fuck out, perhaps I'll let you become assimilated into my culture.
*****CHUCKLE*****
No thanks.
Except for the fact that we've had an electorally (and unpopular) elected president who has brought this nation to it's knees with this pandemek which he's bungled greatly. To add insult to injury, this cockroach trump made his good buddy De Joy head of the post office so he could sabotage the processing of mail during this electionWhen a party relies so heavily on stopping people from voting they have a real problem. They need a better proposition.
Why this election calls into question whether America is a democracy
At the beginning of the Fight to Vote project, we asked this question. After a year of election battles, voting restrictions and partisan conflicts, we revisit the idea
Many have the opportunity to vote and there is no voter suppression...
Many on the left want to argue that Voting should continue after November 3rd because they want to make sure they get the result they are shooting for...
You have many ways to vote and if a Citizen of this country did not take advantage of the many ways then it is their own failure and not some type of voter suppression...
I'm as liberal as they come!"Worthy members" lolLiberalism in this country is dead. You idiots that are claiming regressive statism as liberalism are raping the meaning of the term.Georgia poll: Joe Biden ahead of Donald Trump, Democratic Senate candidates lead among registered voters
Former Vice President Joe Biden has a five-percentage-point lead over President Donald Trump, according to the latest Monmouth University poll.eu.usatoday.com
If the polls are correct the right is due for an uncomfortable time this week.
What is the future of conservatism ?
I am guessing that it could go in several directions.
Firstly it could continue with the culture wars stuff that brought Trump to power. Gays,statues, abortion, woke, blacks, "reds under the beds" and so on. But that has a limited appeal. A more polished politician than Trump might pull it off but as a strategy it will only appeal to a limited base.
Or they could rethink and position themselves as a more palatable option. Fiscal responsibility, building alliances, socially moderate, and most of all, inclusive.
If Biden and then Harris screw up they would be placed to return to power.
Is that a possibility or do the current personnel dictate that this is not an option ?
There has to be a strategy that is not based on demonising large and growing parts of the electorate.
Of course Trump could end up triumphant this time but the demographics are still against his brand of politics.
We've seen this movie before....
The takeaway is, I believe, that we're seeing the fracture of ideology from party or, perhaps, seeing the fracture more clearly.
Both the left and the right by the way.
Personally, I find the Democrats an extremely imperfect vehicle for liberalism for example.
So to answer your question, in 2012, the GOP had a famous post-mortem that said they needed to expand the party. Lindsay Graham said something along the lines of "We're not generating enough angry white men". And in the next election cycle, their candidate has actively tried to shrink the party to nothing but personal loyalists...conservative or not...republican or not (he calls Jared and Ivanka "democrats")
View attachment 408777
Where does conservatism go? It increases. It's going to grow. It's going to get more powerful.
Where does liberalism go? It increases. It's going to grow. It's going to get more powerful.
Where does moderation go? It is going to shrink and become a thing of the past.
I am a liberal. You and your ilk are not.
Do you understand now?
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”
George Washington
I would like the poster describe in their own words what a worthy member is?
Also I am more liberal than you but we ain’t progressive!
Except for the fact that we've had an electorally (and unpopular) elected president who has brought this nation to it's knees with this pandemek which he's bungled greatly. To add insult to injury, this cockroach trump made his good buddy De Joy head of the post office so he could sabotage the processing of mail during this electionWhen a party relies so heavily on stopping people from voting they have a real problem. They need a better proposition.
Why this election calls into question whether America is a democracy
At the beginning of the Fight to Vote project, we asked this question. After a year of election battles, voting restrictions and partisan conflicts, we revisit the idea
Many have the opportunity to vote and there is no voter suppression...
Many on the left want to argue that Voting should continue after November 3rd because they want to make sure they get the result they are shooting for...
You have many ways to vote and if a Citizen of this country did not take advantage of the many ways then it is their own failure and not some type of voter suppression...
elected president who has brought this nation to it's knees with this pandemek which he's bungled greatly.
Except for the fact that we've had an electorally (and unpopular) elected president who has brought this nation to it's knees with this pandemek which he's bungled greatly. To add insult to injury, this cockroach trump made his good buddy De Joy head of the post office so he could sabotage the processing of mail during this election
