Who was the best founding father of America? (poll)

[there4eyeM]

Paine was nearly executed in the "Terror", having gone to France to join the revolution He was something of an American 'Che', who wanted to internationalize the American Revolution. What worked (more or less) in North America couldn't work in Europe. France was surrounded by ancient, well-armed enemies. They did not have the luxury of innocently flailing around working out a new government. It became an extreme situation that resulted in extreme actions. Human nature is displayed throughout history as just what was exemplified in the worst of the French Revolution. Human nature is also capable of the sublime, surely. The American Revolution was not sublime, while it was relatively successful. In any event, today's world has few better examples of a republic than the American and French.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Paine was nearly executed in the "Terror", having gone to France to join the revolution He was something of an American 'Che', who wanted to internationalize the American Revolution. What worked (more or less) in North America couldn't work in Europe. France was surrounded by ancient, well-armed enemies. They did not have the luxury of innocently flailing around working out a new government. It became an extreme situation that resulted in extreme actions. Human nature is displayed throughout history as just what was exemplified in the worst of the French Revolution. Human nature is also capable of the sublime, surely. The American Revolution was not sublime, while it was relatively successful. In any event, today's world has few better examples of a republic than the American and French.

Well...while a lot of the rhetoric was the same, the French and American Revolutions were quite different in philosophic derivation.

Our Revolution was that of the nascent Middle Class--not the revolution of a permanent peasant underclass that existed in France. The French Revolution was the culmination of the Leveler philosophy--and the modern birthplace of communism.

 

[InstantOn]

Who did the most to influence the creation of America?

Madison created most of the Constitution that laid the framework for America

Madison was a big ol' nerd

And he was short. But he was the most important except for Washington who was so admired.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Well your missing a few names.
Thomas Paine, who is not categorized as one of the founding fathers but just might be the founder of the founding father so to speak.

 

[Harry Dresden]

OP is a newb dork commie. Here is what he is doing:

"30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." "


The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

Yeah I smelled a snake....

what gave it away?....having trump in there?...

 

[Augustine_]

OP is a newb dork commie. Here is what he is doing:

"30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." "


The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

 

[rightwinger]

When asked who her favorite Founding Father is, Palin said, “You know, well all of them, because they claim collectively together with so much…

 

[Picaro]

Few Founders agreed with each other on anything. the Constitution was founded on paranoia, greed, and political rivalries. It left a lot of issues unresolved, which is why it still causes a lot of weaseling, pointless semantic sophistry, and outright lying. 'Original intent' varies with who specifically you're talking about, not the Founders as a whole. We do know for instance they almost unanimously considered 'limited liability' for shareholders a very special advantage to be granted to a very few corporations, those that would contribute to the public good, utilities, transportation, canals, etc, and then only by state charters, for one, not something any idiot should be able to get by merely paying a fee, and states had the right to audit such a company on demand.

 

[whitehall]

Franklin said it best "we must hang together or surely we will hang separately".

 

[ViewFromAbove]

Paine wasn't a Founder, and the French Revolution was led by genocidal psychopaths; even the leader Robespierre got guillotined by his own fellow nut jobs. It was a disaster, not a 'Great Revolution'. Tom Paine would now be what he ended up as in real life, forgotten when his propaganda was no longer worth anything, died in obscure poverty. Better than his friends like James Otis, though, who got deported.

Thomas Paine was a Founding Father, the philosopher of the American War for Independence, and a true revolutionary. His essays and pamphlets, especially Common Sense, noted for its plain language, resonated with the common people of America and roused them to rally behind the movement for independence.
Thomas Paine, Founding Father, Biography, Common Sense

 

[ViewFromAbove]

George Washington because he set the standard for how a Constitutional government works.

When offered the Kingship of the country he declined. That makes him the best by far.

Was “offered” the Kingship? By ONE subordinate colonel who was concerned about getting his promised pension?
This Kingship story is considered a MYTH, I understand. Sounds good, though.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

All of them?

A bunch of social libtards who loved guns /slaves And woman barefoot pregnant in the kitchen

Good old Ben loved them all and could prove it. He must have been a real gunner. I don't think he ever married.

 

[Picaro]

Paine wasn't a Founder, and the French Revolution was led by genocidal psychopaths; even the leader Robespierre got guillotined by his own fellow nut jobs. It was a disaster, not a 'Great Revolution'. Tom Paine would now be what he ended up as in real life, forgotten when his propaganda was no longer worth anything, died in obscure poverty. Better than his friends like James Otis, though, who got deported.

Thomas Paine was a Founding Father, the philosopher of the American War for Independence, and a true revolutionary. His essays and pamphlets, especially Common Sense, noted for its plain language, resonated with the common people of America and roused them to rally behind the movement for independence.
Thomas Paine, Founding Father, Biography, Common Sense

Make the definition of a 'Founder' broad enough and you can claim King George was one, too. I prefer to limit the definition to mean those who actually did found the country, not some hired propagandist whose popularity resides in his atheism and the need for atheists for 'warm bodies' from that era to cite as foils for their Xian bashing rubbish; that is a failure, since all they can find is Paine, since the vast majority were Christians, even Jefferson. He wasn't a 'Founder', never elected to or served in an office of the revolutionary govt. He was somebody's secretary, and after the Revolution was over went back to obscurity and ignored.

 

[eagle1462010]

Madison hands down.

 

[ViewFromAbove]

Paine wasn't a Founder, and the French Revolution was led by genocidal psychopaths; even the leader Robespierre got guillotined by his own fellow nut jobs. It was a disaster, not a 'Great Revolution'. Tom Paine would now be what he ended up as in real life, forgotten when his propaganda was no longer worth anything, died in obscure poverty. Better than his friends like James Otis, though, who got deported.

Thomas Paine was a Founding Father, the philosopher of the American War for Independence, and a true revolutionary. His essays and pamphlets, especially Common Sense, noted for its plain language, resonated with the common people of America and roused them to rally behind the movement for independence.
Thomas Paine, Founding Father, Biography, Common Sense

Make the definition of a 'Founder' broad enough and you can claim King George was one, too. I prefer to limit the definition to mean those who actually did found the country, not some hired propagandist whose popularity resides in his atheism and the need for atheists for 'warm bodies' from that era to cite as foils for their Xian bashing rubbish; that is a failure, since all they can find is Paine, since the vast majority were Christians, even Jefferson. He wasn't a 'Founder', never elected to or served in an office of the revolutionary govt. He was somebody's secretary, and after the Revolution was over went back to obscurity and ignored.

“Without the pen of Paine, the sword of Washington would have been wielded in vain.”
- John Adams

Washington read to his troops inspirational words from Paine’s Common Sense pamphlet. He was planning the attack in which they crossed the Delaware River to fight the Battle of Trenton.

Without Thomas Paine’s influence, there may have been no founding of the United States!
So YES, Paine is a “founding father”.