Why do people hate Liberals?

[emilynghiem]

Their economic theory's are destructive.

Why do people hate Liberals?

It's an American thing...but they hates us back so it's all good

Dear Frankeneinstein
Given the Conservatives and Constitutionalists who believe the point of the Constitution
is to limit govt and prevent abuse of govt to establish, impose or "dictate" religious morals
against the beliefs, consent and free choice/liberty of individuals;
is it any wonder that Liberals are rejected and denounced who either don't believe in Constitutional laws or limits,
don't believe they are imposing beliefs or abusing Govt, but believe it is their right to vote in whatever policy they
believe should be established, regardless of the beliefs of others they don't recognize as inviolate.

It doesn't even require Liberals to CHANGE the beliefs to correspond to others.
But even to RECOGNIZE their beliefs and the beliefs of others are EQUALLY protected under law
from infringement by govt; even THAT would allow the imposition and offensive abuses to stop.

But the Liberals who can't even recognize political beliefs for what they are,
don't respect equal free choice to have, exercise and defend these from govt infringement,
and don't recognize that any others have VALID beliefs or rights to them,
THAT'S what causes opponents to take such a hard stance against them as violating laws and principles,
and causes them to "give up" trying to explain or work with Liberals dead set on abusing govt to establish their own beliefs.

This is TOTALLY against the spirit of Constitutional laws,
and not only do Liberals fail to respect these limits and recognize they are violating Constitutional principles,
but when Conservatives and Republicans are forced to try to CORRECT overreaches,
then they become implicated in the same problems that shouldn't have been created through govt in the first place!

So then Liberals can't tell the difference between what is Constitutional or not
when both sides end up having to breach Constitutional limits to FIX the breaches
that never should have occurred in the first place.

Of course this is blamed on Liberals, and if Liberals can't see how
all this mess violates Constitutional limits and duties of govt,
that's why the politics goes in circles in a vicious cycle
where the blame escalates.

 

[Tinhatter]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

So angry, and so ignorant - it must suck to be you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

So angry, and so ignorant - it must suck to be you.

/—-/ Angry? Libs are the ones who seethe with rage and can't accept the results of an election.

 

[petro]

I don't get it. And I don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives.

I've talked to brilliant facists, idiotic conservatives, intelligent communists and brain-dead centrists. I don't see a pattern there at all.


The constant attacks on liberals seems to me (as an outsider) just a sign of incredible arrogance and conceit - and I would consider attacks on conservatives the same way.

If there is a REAL reason, with facts, for hating liberals - let's hear about it.

You say you talked to idiotic conservatives but you dont mention idiotic liberals?

You dont see contempt directed towards conservatives?

I see contempt directed against conservatives by you!

You about the biggest example of what you claim does not exist.

No contempt by liberals. Here, in these ed threads, it is the liberal that hates first and foremost. Simply reading the titles of threads make that clear.

As does your hypocrisy expressed in your OP

The OP hasn't posted in almost 5 years.
Probably committed suicide after Trumps election.

 

[emilynghiem]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

 

[Tinhatter]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

This pretty much answers your question

Why has the Democratic Party become so arrogantly detached from ordinary Americans? Though they claim to speak for the poor and dispossessed, Democrats have increasingly become the party of an upper-middle-class professional elite, top-heavy with journalists, academics and lawyers.

Camille Paglia

 

[MaryL]

The one thing about this board that most baffles me is the incredible depth of hatred and contempt for liberals.

The amount of comments from people suggesting all liberals are stupid, anti-patriotic, dumb...you name it. One even suggested liberals don't know what paragraphs are.

I don't get it. And I don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives.

Firstly, the term "liberal" could be used to describe about half of the planet. Like "leftist", it's a fairly cliched catch-all adjective that have little real meaning. It's just too general to be much use.

Secondly, I've met extremely intelligent people from right across the political spectrum - and as many idiots. I've talked to brilliant facists, idiotic conservatives, intelligent communists and brain-dead centrists. I don't see a pattern there at all.

And lastly, why hate liberals when many of the most successful and celebrated administrations have been liberal ones? Were the governments if Clinton, Wilson, FDR, JFK and Truman really so much worse than conservative governments of similar eras?

The constant attacks on liberals seems to me (as an outsider) just a sign of incredible arrogance and conceit - and I would consider attacks on conservatives the same way.

If there is a REAL reason, with facts, for hating liberals - let's hear about it.

I am a ex Dem liberal. I don't hate Liberals anymore than I hate my left arm . What this boils down to is fearing abusive people that steal your ideology and pose themselves as something they aren't and somehow magically get a free pass . I don't side with these childish nihilistic contrarians and I don't care what they call themselves.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I don't get it. And I don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives

Dont be an idiot!

 

[Cellblock2429]

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

 

[Wry Catcher]

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

/—-/ So how often to you watch Fox and listen to Rush and Sean? BTW they have CNN on at the gym and I can’t help but hear their buttsore BS.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

/—-/ So how often to you watch Fox and listen to Rush and Sean? BTW they have CNN on at the gym and I can’t help but hear their buttsore BS.

When I was a deputy I transported prisoners to and from the coast to smaller counties on the East of the Sierras. The only radio station in the caged car I could receive was Rush Limbaugh, and listening to him and his ditto heads was nothing more than hate, fear and greed. All deadly sins broadcasts across the country.

Hannity, like Limbaugh is a college dropout, both are demagogues and charlatans. That seems to be the genre that you like to listen to, read or watch, and consider real journalism as fake news. That is what puts reality out of touch for you and others like you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

/—-/ So how often to you watch Fox and listen to Rush and Sean? BTW they have CNN on at the gym and I can’t help but hear their buttsore BS.

When I was a deputy I transported prisoners to and from the coast to smaller counties on the East of the Sierras. The only radio station in the caged car I could receive was Rush Limbaugh, and listening to him and his ditto heads was nothing more than hate, fear and greed. All deadly sins broadcasts across the country.

Hannity, like Limbaugh is a college dropout, both are demagogues and charlatans. That seems to be the genre that you like to listen to, read or watch, and consider real journalism as fake news. That is what puts reality out of touch for you and others like you.

/—-/ Yes, hatred for socialist and commies who want to destroy our country. Rush and Sean have more education than your typical liberal arts graduate in women’s studies.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

/——-/ I found this on Fox. When is CNN running it? Man says he was beaten in NYC for wearing MAGA hat

 

[Tinhatter]

If you "don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives" then you have not been trying very hard to find it, nor looking very hard to see it. As it is all over Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Raddle, etc., I must conclude those rose-coloured glasses and blinders are limiting to your eyesight.

I see, you are one of these:

View attachment 269714

It is NOT conservatism which Democrats, liberals, progressives, independents and Republicans who have been tossed under the bus as RINO's are rejecting, per se; it is Trump and McConnell and those members of Congress in the Republican Party who refuse to compromise, and have the attitude you have expressed.

Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

View attachment 269902

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

So angry, and so ignorant - it must suck to be you.

So gullible, indoctrinated, and willfully blind....it will suck way more to be you on your deathbed, when that brief moment of clarity dawns....best pray to Mao (or whatever god you worship) for deep senility or Alzheimer’s!

 

[Tinhatter]

Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

/—-/ Open my mind to Fake News and lopsided propaganda? Why would I do that? I get all my left wing news from you libtards on USMB. I can’t stomach any more.

No doubt, ignorance is bliss and you can't risk any idea or opinion which confronts what your handlers have told you to believe. I get it, curiosity is too dangerous, and might cause you to think outside the box in which you've been told to reside.

More of your beloved commie propaganda tactics to popularize the 'groupthink' above....and here spelled out below:

Six Principles Of Propaganda Lenin Used To Consolidate Power | Investor's Business Daily

Brainwashing in Communist Czechoslovakia – And After | Hidden Persuaders

Nine Lessons of Russian Propaganda | Small Wars Journal

On the Role of Agitation and Propaganda


For any curious about how commie critters think, the following should give a good outline:

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/Hot Spots/Documents/Russia/Clews-Soviet.pdf

This Is How Propaganda Works: A Look Inside A Soviet Childhood

 

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Pot calling the kettle black. Libtards invented the Ostrich Clan, where hypocrisy and tunnelvision reign surpreme:

Compromise with the Lefturds is much like the 'fifty-fifty relationship' touted by feminazis....looks good til one reads the fine print...to discover it's all 95% their way! The compromise on the border wall was MIA from beginning to end. I'm not such a fan of Trump anymore, but to quote the Democrat theme song he is "the lesser of two evils". It's either Trump or the commie-socialist Libtards....an easy choice!

A ditto head ^^^^ aka a member of the Ostrich Party.

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Such a good comeback, and totally in-line with old school Commie Party propaganda tactic of accusing the opponent of what you know your side guilty of, to delay detection, and setup an easy 'out'. Republicans don't prescribe brainwashing with the verve of a hack doctor touting aspirin. Commies-socialists love your 'reeducation camps', and indoctrination of children as early as possible:



Your side has turned the public school system and colleges into factories mass-producing 'ditto heads', aka SJWs, NPCs, 'radicals', and assorted brainwashed retards. Yeah, keep on accusing your opponents of the dastardly tactics you and yours employ. Even such a well known disinformation technique will fool some dullards like the fanboys of AOC, but you could fart and convince the gullible it was Chanel #5! Those with an average or above IQ can see through such leftist ploys, so you're mostly just fooling yourself.

Dear Tinhatter Wry Catcher
Any parties, including Libertarians Constitutionists and Green Party members,
are going through the same politics where bigger bullies are competing to
oppress and control for sake of agenda.

That's not enough to distinguish what is the DIFFERENCE
between Conservative Republicans vs. Liberal Democrats.

A MAJOR reason for differences is there are more Conservatives
Christians and Constitutionalists among the REPUBLICANS who
believe in using either Christian scriptural laws/authority
and/or Constitutional laws principles and authority to
CHECK AGAINST erroneous or abusive policies.

Democrats and Liberals generally don't give the same religious credence
to laws and authority as the rightwing believers do. The Liberals Democrats
Greens and Progressives tend to rely on party and political power to enforce
what they want, they don't rely on Constitutional arguments as Conservatives do.

The DIFFERENCE this makes
1. there is no Constitutional check on what liberals will push through govt
because they don't believe in limits but have trouble distinguishing any difference
between local state or federal laws govt and authority. anything goes as long as
it gets voted in or ruled on by a judge in a court.

2. members of liberal parties don't have the same system of checking
each other, or govt, or their party leaders by citing the Constitution (or Christian
scriptures in the case of rebuking a fellow Christian)

So there is also no check within the party and between members
as you have with Conservatives Christians and Constitutionalists
who respond to checks back and forth based on common commitment
to these principles they hold to be a shared responsibility to enforce among
fellow believers

3. last, this leads to a difference in EMPOWERMENT and AUTHORITY.
Conservatives and Christians who use their own church, nonprofit or business institutions
to run their own programs and policies don't rely on govt for that and many are appalled threatened or violated by being forced to give up this freedom to govt to regulate by coercion.

The liberals who don't have the same organizations experience or capacity to manage their own programs directly end up not only depending and lobbying for govt to be in charge,
but they teach others to depend on govt and party. They can't very well teach anyone else to fish or manage for themselves if they don't have that ability to do that or see this as a choice.

Unfortunately this unequal access to authority and knowledge of the law
not only keeps economic and political disparity going, but it causes the
current political conflicts and environment of trying to force independent
communities and citizens "to give up their freedom" and pay taxes to GOVT
to manage these programs since not everyone has equal ability yet.

So it becomes a vicious cycle of not only keep people oppressed and disenfranchised,
but moving BACKWARD by forcing others to start paying and depending on govt
(instead of moving FORWARD and empowering MORE people to govern themselves
and their own programs directly themselves to maximize democratic ownership).

The good thing about liberals and democrats is demanding INCLUSION and not just keeping the same monopolies going; but the WRONG way to change this is to push everything through govt which isn't equipped to manage that level of diversity and
democratic representation on a grassroots scale as needed to fully include all people.
Instead, going through govt should be used to set up FACILITIES in every district to
TEACH self government, ownership and management so people DO become
INDEPENDENT not dependent on govt. It's fine to go through govt to make sure
there are organized systems of representing everyone, but from there, districts should be free to decide and manage their own policies and programs.

We need both inclusion of people of ALL levels of education and status,
but also an organized system of training people in self management and govt
so they can develop independently, not stay stuck as pawns dependent on govt.

About the only thing you said that I would not agree with is that I do not see liberals and democrats now "demanding INCLUSION", so much as demanding EXCLUSION of everyone else. I see no real attempt at compromise anymore. About the only thing I do see (and have seen since Trump took office), is a herd of shrill sore losers determined to monkeywrench the current regime by any means necessary, use censorship to gut 'Free Speech', and embrace commie/socialist tactics to try and force a victory in 2020.

Maybe what you see is the result of the blinders placed on your face by watching Fox News and reading RW tabloids? Open up you mind, unlock the box in which you've been place and think for yourself.

Dear Wry Catcher
I've been working directly with both "official elected Democratic Party leaders" AND the grassroots progressive activists with both Dems and Greens, including Green Party/Harris County members and leaders, Democratic leaders active in the community, and both Democrats Greens Liberals Progressives (all labels and variations) in the Public Radio/KPFT community, the Peace and Justice community in Houston including the factions that divided and broke off from each other in all these groups, the people in all these groups organizing protests and events around media issues, political issues, criminal justice/prison/police issues, environmental issues, anti-war, and immigration/worker/health care reforms.

So I understand there are FACTIONS within these communities and including within the factions as well.

In all these groups, the activists and leaders STILL teach dependence on party and govt.

the most INDEPENDENT activists and leaders who teach to DIY are so rare, that the few I know have either died off and nobody could replace them, or they are retiring from fighting battles on their own.

The majority of these groups preach to depend on party leaders, electing their candidates, and depending on govt where they focus on OPPOSING, eliminating, overruling and generally NOT WORKING WITH conservatives, Republicans or Trump/Bush supporters they see as the problem.

I have generally NOT FOUND the kind of political inclusion and cooperation that I believe in developing for sustainable solutions, and end up being the lone voice and advocate "going against the grain."

Wry Catcher I can name on one hand the fellow liberal/progressives willing to work with people from other parties and think in other terms besides pushing their party before any others (whether Dem or Green).

There is NO organized group of these.

A lot of the Greens and independent progressives I have met can't work with Democrats because they'll just push their own party agenda and that's it.

Many got fed up after getting kicked out and overruled over the Clinton/Sanders fallout.

Again, regardless WHICH faction these people have broken off and branched off into,
by nature of the collective organization dynamic
(A) the people IN big enough groups to get something done as a group
all go with the EXCLUSIONARY tactics of putting their party agenda FIRST
above all else and not addressing anything else
(B) the people WILLING to work inclusively and not just push party agenda
don't have the numbers to get anything done. I can work with people one on one
on this individual level, but generally can't get them to work in any larger numbers.
The minute you have to compete with any larger groups, the group politics kicks
in and it's back to just playing the same political games of majority rule and winner takes all.

So because of that, even if I can get INDIVIDUALS to think and work on an inclusive level
working with others from other parties, they mostly "give up" and default back to the same system of just relying on the major parties to push for their agenda and cut out the individuals and any solutions that work on that level; they end up just pushing for over-generalized policies that can be lobbied for collectively in large groups and lose the ability to represent true individual choice, participation and diversity. All that gets lost when you try to use group politics.