Dubya
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- Dec 29, 2012
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What we have on this thread are a typical group of gun nuts, pretending to be patriots defending the rights of American citizens. They aren't patriots and they aren't even good citizens of America. They don't offer anything to solve obvious problems and are themselves part of the problem. Some even deny problems exist. They don't defend the right to keep and bear arms, but defend their desires to own whatever guns they want. They argue their point like a 3 year old spoiled child, who only knows I want.
Sorry, how exactly am I part of the problem? And forgive me, but part of your argument sounds like that of a 3 year old child.
"defend their desires to own whatever guns they want"? Come on, really? Well, all you need for transportation is a Yugo, so suppose I want to pass some legislation to say that you are only allowed to have a car of no more then 4 cylinders? I can design it as a way to save gasoline and to make the roads safer (since a Yugo would obviously do less damage to somebody then an SUV would). And after all, I would have more of a right to do that, since cars are not covered in the Constitution at all.
I don't agree with every proposal to solve America's gun problems, but I do recognize that people making such proposals are looking for solutions. I believe we need a system of universal background checks and registration that insures the gun owner still possesses the weapon. That's why I believe the best method is a renewable registration. If a person wants to sell their weapon, the registration has to be transferred. All firearm type weapons should be registered so that includes the police, gun stores and the military. They should be ballistic tested regularly and the tests kept on file. That would discourage somebody from using that firearm to shoot someone. People possessing unregistered firearms should be arrested, fined and jail or probation and have all their firearms confiscated. They should lose their rights to possess firearms for a minimum to maximum period and all these punishments should have a range, so they can deal with the cases individually. Transferring firearms by any method other than inheritance should be considered trafficking firearms, though in some cases it's minor trafficking. The open market for guns in America needs to be shut down.
Guess what, it is already a Federal law that all transfers of firearms (other then muzzle loaders) have to go through the background checks. So all you are doing here is repeating what the law already says. That is why if you want to sell a gun to your neighbor, you have to go through a licensed gun dealer to do it.
I thought we went through all this several pages ago?
And sorry, if you are arrested and convicted of a firearms violation, you loose your right to carry a weapon forever. That is already the law, and now you want to give those people a second chance to do it again?
And what the heck good would "ballistic tests" do? That would be absolutely pointless, and simply add to the work load and expense of law enforcement. And do you know how absolutely pointless such a system would be?
Barrels (the round tube like thingie the bullet goes through) are not registered or serialized. They never have been. There is absolutely nothing stopping me from going online and buying 10 seperate barrels for my pistol. I can then go on a crime spree, simply throwing out each barrel afterwards. Then when I am caught, they can do "ballistics tests" all day long on my pistol, they will never match any of the slugs recovered.
In fact, that would make it almost impossible to even tie the crimes together, since each scene would appear to have seperate weapons involved each time.
In fact, I just looked. A new barrel for my pistol is $23. So you have just made a huge headache that would be absolutely worthless. The only reason why what I just described does not happen more is that most criminals are as dumb as a bag of dog droppings. Of course, almost no criminals use guns that they purchased legally in the first place.
You people obviously can't get it through your head that the person was saying their carry permit should allow them to buy any weapon, no questions asked. A person could still have a carry permit at home and be arrested for a crime that makes it null and void. That piece of paper still has to pass the mustard of being checked.
Guess what? Our present system works so only 60% of guns sales are getting background checks and 40% aren't. I don't want to hear this nonsense that the guns are sold to friends. There are people who sell guns at yard sales, which is illegal.
As far as your barrel goes, don't sell barrels to the public without requiring a registration renewal and ballistics test. Limit their purchase to the place where registrations are renewed. It should be obvious that so many people are killed with handguns that the people who own handguns should be checked every year to make sure they still have the gun. Now how hard was that to figure out?
It isn't hard to figure out ways to keep weapons out of the criminal's hands and prevent people from being involved in trafficking weapons to them. When the person has to show up with their guns each year, then we know it wasn't given to criminals. When someone is walking the streets with a unregistered gun, the government should come down on them hard. The cops in cities with a high homicide rate can stop people they suspect may be carrying a gun and search them. The cops will get the damned unregistered guns off the streets and street gangs won't be walking around with guns. We have to make laws to make the cop's job easier, so they can protect society.
Let's say someone has a registered weapon and sells it. When it comes time to renew the registration, they claim it was stolen. They say they don't know when it was stolen and want to buy another weapon. They should be advised that if that weapon is involved in a crime and it can be proven that they allowed someone else to have it, they will be charged as an accessory to that crime. If they buy another weapon, they would be told to keep track of it, because if it comes up missing, it will go on their background check along with the first report of a stolen weapon, and they will not be able to buy a weapon unless it's reported stolen before the registration renewal time. They should have their renewal time cut to every six months and have to prove they have the weapon at 3 months. In short, they aren't going to be allowed to keep buying weapons and allowing others to have them. Losing even one gun and not reporting it stolen is enough to suspect them of trafficking in firearms. If they lose another weapon and report it stolen, their renewal time is now 3 months and they have to prove they have the weapon every month.
In a universal background check and universal renewable registration system, they should use any and all means to track down a weapon that isn't registered under the new system, like old registrations and sales. Obviously, people would need time to get their weapons started in the system, which would be spread throughout the year by random selection, so the first year would be less than a year for some of the people and more than a year for people who have a appointment time close to the time of initial registration. The idea is for people to register all their weapons at the same time for their convenience, or they could elect to have more than one registration time, if they had a lot of weapons to register. The best place to set up the system is participating gun shops, because they would be glad to do it to get a steady cash stream. They can be set up to fire the weapons needing a ballistic tests (shotguns don't need it) and send the bullets to the FBI for scannng into a data base. Gun shops away from large urban areas with violence would be allowed to resell confiscated unregistered weapons. If a registered weapon has to be forfeited by the owner because he is involved in a crime where he may be able to reclaim it, it will be stored in a nearby armory or in a police property room. Stored weapons would only have to be ballistic fired once, but they still would require yearly registration renewed as would all police and military weapons. That would prevent any weapon falling from the system because of theft and provide a yearly inventory. If a weapon is destroyed intentionally or by accident, a report containing the serial number is filed explaining the events, such as sometimes the police destroy weapons. If a weapon is lost, even in combat, a similar report is required. A data base would continue to exist even on weapons said to be destroyed, just in case they resurrect themselves. In places where taking the gun for renewal may pose a problem, like taking the gun outside the residence when police are looking for weapons on the street, a permit by phone system should be worked out with the local law enforcement allowing the person to transport the weapon for renewal without a problem from law enforcement.
Presently, handguns contribute 72.5% of the homicides by total firearms and 18.5% involve firearms, type not stated. 3.8% are rifles, 4.1% are shotguns and 1.1% are other guns. I think a data base could cut down on those firearm type not stated and better reporting and ballistics testing could as well. It's possible that laws may be required to charge people found altering bullets to make them fragment on impact, where even the possession of such bullets is a crime, but care should be taken not to advertise how to do it.
FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Now I realize no gun nut out there is going to be happy with such a system, but I don't care what they want. It's ridiculous to live years in a country where being killed with a gun is one of the top ten causes of death. The purpose of this system is not to get information on gun ownership to confiscate guns. The purpose is to stop gun related crime and make the country a safer place. Having a ballistics test on file discourages using that gun. I see no reason why law abiding citizens shouldn't be able to have guns like assault weapons under such a system. If the public wants more control to eliminate access to those weapons, they can be classified as Title II weapons and not sold in gun stores. They don't have to be banned in a state.
The public should be made aware of the hugh amount of suicide by gun each year. If they know of someone who possesses a gun and has suffered a recent tragedy in their lives, they should intervene by talking to their relative or friend and the state should provide storage to keep firearms away from the person who is vulnerable, if they have a moment of clarity and are willing to part with their weapons. They could store the weapons safely in an armory or police storage area at very little expense to the government. Information about services like the suicide hotline or local counselling should be made available to these people. In short, we don't want people committing suicide and guns make it easier to do it. The last time I checked, it was over 20,000 suicides by gun per year. Some kind of public awareness program reminding the public wouldn't cost that much.
I'm sure other ideas could be included, but this is just exercise, now read a book!
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