Why was Antebellum Southern Slavery Immoral?

[ErikViking]

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I abhor slavery but I feel no shame my family once engaged in it...it was a way of life then and should be seen in that context.

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is a stretch, but only because the Nazis were easily able to replenish their slave labor, thus the incredible brutality and phenomenal death rates in the labor camps.

Southern agricultural slaves for the most part were recreated by natural offspring and the importation of border slaves from Virginia and Kentucky sold south during the great boom of the 1820s to the 1850s.

Thus, greater care was taken in case of American slaves, probably even more so than horses and cattle.

 

[JoeBlam]

You are off track. I was the guy who trained you fools so long ago for Spec Ops and running around in the jungle. We trained FRF as well as the Lurps. Bet you washed out.

So, now instead of an "internet wannabe tough guy" I'm one of your students? Now you've stepped in it....I'm 1/7 AC/AM, Benning, Polk for AIT, back to Benning for Echo Recon (11F40) deployed to RVN 10-67, MACV RECONDO Nha Trang 3-68, 17 insertions/extractions to 10-68. Maybe you'd like to tell me which outfit you were in that trained me.

You are the internet wannabee tough guy, not me.

If you are who you say you are, you would have trained at Nha Trang (Special Forces) before it was closed in December 1967 and became a member of Echo Fifty First. If you are real you may trained other volunteers at company recondo school.

As I suspected. Maybe you should check this out before you embarrass yourself further:

MACV RECONDO School

 

[JakeStarkey]

As I suspected, you better check this out.

G/75 RGR & E/51 LRP & 196th LRRP HISTORY

I sussed you out and will leave it at that.

 

[JoeBlam]

As I suspected, you better check this out.

G/75 RGR & E/51 LRP & 196th LRRP HISTORY

I sussed you out and will leave it at that.

So tell me, you lying asshole, are you still saying RECONDO was closed down in '67 and that you were a 5th SFG instructor or not?

 

[Boss]

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I abhor slavery but I feel no shame my family once engaged in it...it was a way of life then and should be seen in that context.

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

Hold on a minute. The same doesn't go for Nazi camp leaders. What the Nazis did was a universally understood breach of human rights. It hadn't been a matter of public law for 86 years, with Congress after Congress, and President after President, condoning and supporting it. Slavery was an established institution, and always had been. If you owned a cotton plantation, the fact that you owned slaves was not unusual, that's how cotton was harvested. The US SCOTUS upheld the institution, deemed slaves to be property, and there was absolutely nothing unethical about it at the time. I see too many people who want to somehow think, that slavery was illegal or that there wasn't any law which prevented it and people were exploiting that fact. It was perfectly legal, upheld by the SCOTUS, endorsed by Congress, and unaddressed by every president up to Lincoln. Nothing at all like the Nazis.

 

[rdean]

The reason so many right wingers approve of slavery is because even Jesus seemed to approve in the New Testament.

(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


(Luke 12:47-48 NLT) The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

The first two quotes were from Paul and not Christ, you fucking idiot.

And all three reflected the law of that time in regard to slavery of that time which was nothing like what slavery became in the industrial age.

Please go play in a street, you lying sack of shit.

Jesus' disciples spoke for him and the third quote was supposedly a direct quote from Jesus.

And how is slavery different now? Did they get paid then? Could they quit? Punishment was straps and whips, not a pay deduction.

And where was the lie?

Oh man, these right wingers. You can quote Jesus and they still call you a liar. Is it the inbreeding? The propaganda? The disease called racism? Something has fucked them up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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I abhor slavery but I feel no shame my family once engaged in it...it was a way of life then and should be seen in that context.

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

Hold on a minute. The same doesn't go for Nazi camp leaders. What the Nazis did was a universally understood breach of human rights. It hadn't been a matter of public law for 86 years, with Congress after Congress, and President after President, condoning and supporting it. Slavery was an established institution, and always had been. If you owned a cotton plantation, the fact that you owned slaves was not unusual, that's how cotton was harvested. The US SCOTUS upheld the institution, deemed slaves to be property, and there was absolutely nothing unethical about it at the time. I see too many people who want to somehow think, that slavery was illegal or that there wasn't any law which prevented it and people were exploiting that fact. It was perfectly legal, upheld by the SCOTUS, endorsed by Congress, and unaddressed by every president up to Lincoln. Nothing at all like the Nazis.

Yep, libtards love to compare conservatives to Nazis when the Nazis were socialists, antidemocratic and knew full well that they racism and anti-Semitism was condemned by most.

But then again, a libtard will be a libtard.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The reason so many right wingers approve of slavery is because even Jesus seemed to approve in the New Testament.

(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


(Luke 12:47-48 NLT) The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

The first two quotes were from Paul and not Christ, you fucking idiot.

And all three reflected the law of that time in regard to slavery of that time which was nothing like what slavery became in the industrial age.

Please go play in a street, you lying sack of shit.

Jesus' disciples spoke for him and the third quote was supposedly a direct quote from Jesus.

No, the disciples did not. Jesus taught 12 Apostles in private and they carried on His teaching. St Paul was only informally an apostle and did not ever claim to be repeating teaching from Christ. Again, you prove you complete ignorance about the NT and Christianity. So fuck off you little bitch.

And how is slavery different now? Did they get paid then? Could they quit? Punishment was straps and whips, not a pay deduction.

Do we have slavery now, dumbfuck? Can they quit? Do they get beaten?

You are such a fool.

And where was the lie?

lol, your claim that Paul was quoting Jesus. You lie almost every time you post and you know it.

Oh man, these right wingers. You can quote Jesus and they still call you a liar.

Because you lied about two quotes that were not from Jesus. Apparently you don't know what a legit quote is.

Fucktard.

Is it the inbreeding?
The propaganda?

No, your level of stupidity goes way beyond inbreeding or agit prop idiocy. You are deep bone dumb.

The disease called racism? Something has fucked them up.

lol, now you think racism is a disease?

Please, go jerk your self somewhere else, ok?

 

[Boss]

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

Hold on a minute. The same doesn't go for Nazi camp leaders. What the Nazis did was a universally understood breach of human rights. It hadn't been a matter of public law for 86 years, with Congress after Congress, and President after President, condoning and supporting it. Slavery was an established institution, and always had been. If you owned a cotton plantation, the fact that you owned slaves was not unusual, that's how cotton was harvested. The US SCOTUS upheld the institution, deemed slaves to be property, and there was absolutely nothing unethical about it at the time. I see too many people who want to somehow think, that slavery was illegal or that there wasn't any law which prevented it and people were exploiting that fact. It was perfectly legal, upheld by the SCOTUS, endorsed by Congress, and unaddressed by every president up to Lincoln. Nothing at all like the Nazis.

Yep, libtards love to compare conservatives to Nazis when the Nazis were socialists, antidemocratic and knew full well that they racism and anti-Semitism was condemned by most.

But then again, a libtard will be a libtard.

Nazi literally means "national socialist" which is literally the DNC platform.

 

[Unkotare]

Is it that easy?

As well as I don't like to call an Aztec preiest immoral just for cutting a living mans heart out, .

Then you don't understand what morality is.

 

[squeeze berry]

The reason so many right wingers approve of slavery is because even Jesus seemed to approve in the New Testament.

(Ephesians 6:5 NLT) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

(1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


(Luke 12:47-48 NLT) The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

The first two quotes were from Paul and not Christ, you fucking idiot.

And all three reflected the law of that time in regard to slavery of that time which was nothing like what slavery became in the industrial age.

Please go play in a street, you lying sack of shit.

Jesus' disciples spoke for him and the third quote was supposedly a direct quote from Jesus.

And how is slavery different now? Did they get paid then? Could they quit? Punishment was straps and whips, not a pay deduction.

And where was the lie?

Oh man, these right wingers. You can quote Jesus and they still call you a liar. Is it the inbreeding? The propaganda? The disease called racism? Something has fucked them up.

physician, heal thyself

 

[hoosier88]

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Yep, libtards love to compare conservatives to Nazis when the Nazis were socialists, antidemocratic and knew full well that they racism and anti-Semitism was condemned by most.

But then again, a libtard will be a libtard.

Nazi literally means "national socialist" which is literally the DNC platform.

(My bold)

Yah, National Socialist is in there, in the NAZI acronym. Just like mainland China is the People's Republic of China, & every two-bit Warsaw Pact country was a People's Democratic Republic of this, that or t'other. Window dressing, doesn't mean zilch.

The NAZI program couldn't have been socialist, they were too busy/focussed on disposing of Jews, Romanis, homosexuals, pacifists, Communists, mental or physical defectives, or deformed (read: non-Aryan), any political, religious, military, intellectual or government opponents with cojones.

 

[Boss]

Yep, libtards love to compare conservatives to Nazis when the Nazis were socialists, antidemocratic and knew full well that they racism and anti-Semitism was condemned by most.

But then again, a libtard will be a libtard.

Nazi literally means "national socialist" which is literally the DNC platform.

(My bold)

Yah, National Socialist is in there, in the NAZI acronym. Just like mainland China is the People's Republic of China, & every two-bit Warsaw Pact country was a People's Democratic Republic of this, that or t'other. Window dressing, doesn't mean zilch.

The NAZI program couldn't have been socialist, they were too busy/focussed on disposing of Jews, Romanis, homosexuals, pacifists, Communists, mental or physical defectives, or deformed (read: non-Aryan), any political, religious, military, intellectual or government opponents with cojones.

So... kind of like the Obama administration?

 

[beagle9]

It wasn't immoral at the time. Not any more than historical slavery was ever immoral.

Slavery was on its way out at the time of the civil war. There was no way it could have lasted more than a few more years at best.

BS!

After reconstruction, the south re-installed slavery for another 100 years with the sharecropping economic system and Jim Crow laws.

Slavery has always been immoral because owning another human being is immoral.

Well if you want to say that, then couldn't your sentiments also carry the same weight in concerns of the illegals/Mexicans that are here now, and have been laboring under tough conditions as constantly touted by Americans (i.e. their just doing the jobs that white and black folk just won't do)? Isn't it strange how the blacks were silent on the Mexican issue while it was taking place for the reasons of economics also, and while the Mexicans were taking out the trash ? Isn't it funny how the dems want to think that they are so in with the Mexicans who are here illegally, when they sat their silent for so long watching them labor under many bad conditions (i.e. just doing the jobs that white folk and black folk in America just won't do is what they all kept saying right?), but all of a sudden they the dems can win these folks over better than anyone else can? LOL...

If anything the illegals are just waiting now for their time to take advantage of the wrong that either group (dem or repubs/white or black) had a part in their miss-treatment of also, so get ready for another group to cry fowl on America once empowered and made legal by the millions.. Do you think Americans of all colors will ever learn it's lesson about these sorts of things?

 

[ErikViking]

Is it that easy?

As well as I don't like to call an Aztec preiest immoral just for cutting a living mans heart out, .

Then you don't understand what morality is.

You don't think the context of history matters?
The actions of ancestors should be judged by my own moral?
I mean, it could work, but it will reduce the ability to understand our past, wouldn't it?

Let's say Aztec society believed that a god would destroy humanity if they failed in this sacrifice? They saved a million by killing one?

 

[ErikViking]

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I abhor slavery but I feel no shame my family once engaged in it...it was a way of life then and should be seen in that context.

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

Hold on a minute. The same doesn't go for Nazi camp leaders. What the Nazis did was a universally understood breach of human rights. It hadn't been a matter of public law for 86 years, with Congress after Congress, and President after President, condoning and supporting it. Slavery was an established institution, and always had been. If you owned a cotton plantation, the fact that you owned slaves was not unusual, that's how cotton was harvested. The US SCOTUS upheld the institution, deemed slaves to be property, and there was absolutely nothing unethical about it at the time. I see too many people who want to somehow think, that slavery was illegal or that there wasn't any law which prevented it and people were exploiting that fact. It was perfectly legal, upheld by the SCOTUS, endorsed by Congress, and unaddressed by every president up to Lincoln. Nothing at all like the Nazis.

Yes, they lived under very different circumstances.
Maybe...
Slaveowners operated at the edge of human progress, having no where to look for an alternative viewpoint by example.

Nazis, on the otherhand, had to use history and a moral long time scrapped to justify their actions. The had the chance, and they knew better. Yet pushed through.

Something like that.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is it that easy?

As well as I don't like to call an Aztec preiest immoral just for cutting a living mans heart out, .

Then you don't understand what morality is.

You don't think the context of history matters?
The actions of ancestors should be judged by my own moral?
I mean, it could work, but it will reduce the ability to understand our past, wouldn't it?

Let's say Aztec society believed that a god would destroy humanity if they failed in this sacrifice? They saved a million by killing one?

Well, they ended up killing millions and saved no one, but made themselves so hated by neighboring tribes that these tribes welcomed the Spanish in order to get rid of the Aztecs.

Its funny how many Mexicans were Aztec symbols with pride not realizing that the Aztecs would have likely cut there hearts out on an alter. Kinda like the Slavic neo-Nazis, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Need to challange that thougt:

I say the same goes for Nazi camp leaders.

Totally stretching it, but I can't really put words on that distinction I feel is there. Perhaps you can?

Hold on a minute. The same doesn't go for Nazi camp leaders. What the Nazis did was a universally understood breach of human rights. It hadn't been a matter of public law for 86 years, with Congress after Congress, and President after President, condoning and supporting it. Slavery was an established institution, and always had been. If you owned a cotton plantation, the fact that you owned slaves was not unusual, that's how cotton was harvested. The US SCOTUS upheld the institution, deemed slaves to be property, and there was absolutely nothing unethical about it at the time. I see too many people who want to somehow think, that slavery was illegal or that there wasn't any law which prevented it and people were exploiting that fact. It was perfectly legal, upheld by the SCOTUS, endorsed by Congress, and unaddressed by every president up to Lincoln. Nothing at all like the Nazis.

Yes, they lived under very different circumstances.
Maybe...
Slaveowners operated at the edge of human progress, having no where to look for an alternative viewpoint by example.

Nazis, on the otherhand, had to use history and a moral long time scrapped to justify their actions. The had the chance, and they knew better. Yet pushed through.

Something like that.

The majority of Southerners saw slavery in its best light, meaning people like Jefferson Davis who ran a model plantation that took relatively good care of his slaves. When the war was over they all left the plantation for other places which I read cause Davis more emotional pain as he considered many of them to be good life-long friends, and he felt it was a rejection of his years of care. Its odd to me how people can confuse servitude with friendship. My point is most of them were in a delusion, not taking the slaves point of view at all.

The Nazis knew exactly what they were doing and had all of history all moral systems on this planet to show them the error they were getting in to.

 

[ErikViking]

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The Nazis knew exactly what they were doing and had all of history all moral systems on this planet to show them the error they were getting in to.

I think that's what I feel too.