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Gods law disputes that.your question ----as far as I understood it ---was "should a man have a "say" in whether or not a woman has an abortion or not" my answer is---NO. The person upon whom a medical procedure is performed ---is the person who signs the consent -----unless that person is non compos mentis.
Nope, not the question at all. A medical procedure will happen regardless. Actually having the baby is more risky, so by the man saying he doesn't want the responsibilty is a non issue
Nice dodge though.
you know nothing about obstetrics or the actual complications of abortion. Medical procedure don't just "HAPPEN"---they are done----with consent of the patient. Even a "lying in"---
(that means the delivery in archaic quaint language)------requires consent of the patient------the patient can say "NO"
the word "delivery" is also quaint and archaic. I am always amused when jerks say ----"THE DOCTOR DELIVERED THE BABY"---nope----he don't deliver the baby----he "DELIVERED THE MOTHER OF THE BABY" No one actually asks the father of the fetus for his opinion----sometimes they let him watch----usually they wish he would wait outside
I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
Sounds like yet another example of the ignorance of, and contempt for, the Constitution and its case law by most on the right, as 'notification requirements' were ruled un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court.A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.
Proposed Bill Would Require Women To Ask Men s Permission To Have An Abortion
Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, over 56 million unborn children have been killed, more than the entire population of Spain. And we need to do something with it.
Sounds like a great idea.
Gods law disputes that.Nope, not the question at all. A medical procedure will happen regardless. Actually having the baby is more risky, so by the man saying he doesn't want the responsibilty is a non issue
Nice dodge though.
you know nothing about obstetrics or the actual complications of abortion. Medical procedure don't just "HAPPEN"---they are done----with consent of the patient. Even a "lying in"---
(that means the delivery in archaic quaint language)------requires consent of the patient------the patient can say "NO"
the word "delivery" is also quaint and archaic. I am always amused when jerks say ----"THE DOCTOR DELIVERED THE BABY"---nope----he don't deliver the baby----he "DELIVERED THE MOTHER OF THE BABY" No one actually asks the father of the fetus for his opinion----sometimes they let him watch----usually they wish he would wait outside
I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
where did I mention the Torah, it is a Mishna or oral law that stems from the commandments or gods word.Gods law disputes that.you know nothing about obstetrics or the actual complications of abortion. Medical procedure don't just "HAPPEN"---they are done----with consent of the patient. Even a "lying in"---
(that means the delivery in archaic quaint language)------requires consent of the patient------the patient can say "NO"
the word "delivery" is also quaint and archaic. I am always amused when jerks say ----"THE DOCTOR DELIVERED THE BABY"---nope----he don't deliver the baby----he "DELIVERED THE MOTHER OF THE BABY" No one actually asks the father of the fetus for his opinion----sometimes they let him watch----usually they wish he would wait outside
I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
you quoted commentary-----not the Torah
Even if she never asked him his name? What if she can only narrow the father down to 5 possibilities? She has to get consent from all 5? What if one deployed to a combat zone?.....even if he is physically abusive toward her.
That's called "court ordered child-support". Check your state law for details.Where is the requirement that the father pay to rear the child?.
A good oral tradition could have avoided the whole mess.where did I mention the Torah, it is a Mishna or oral law that stems from the commandments or gods word.
It really makes no difference, they're in essence the same.Gods law disputes that.you know nothing about obstetrics or the actual complications of abortion. Medical procedure don't just "HAPPEN"---they are done----with consent of the patient. Even a "lying in"---
(that means the delivery in archaic quaint language)------requires consent of the patient------the patient can say "NO"
the word "delivery" is also quaint and archaic. I am always amused when jerks say ----"THE DOCTOR DELIVERED THE BABY"---nope----he don't deliver the baby----he "DELIVERED THE MOTHER OF THE BABY" No one actually asks the father of the fetus for his opinion----sometimes they let him watch----usually they wish he would wait outside
I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
you quoted commentary-----not the Torah
A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.
Proposed Bill Would Require Women To Ask Men s Permission To Have An Abortion
Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, over 56 million unborn children have been killed, more than the entire population of Spain. And we need to do something with it.
It really makes no difference, they're in essence the same.Gods law disputes that.I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
you quoted commentary-----not the Torah
The proposed measure is yet another example of how most on the right seek to expand the power and authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.
where did I mention the Torah, it is a Mishna or oral law that stems from the commandments or gods word.Gods law disputes that.I believe you may be clinically insane.
I have FOUR children, I was in the delivery room for all of them. In fact , the last two, I was the first person to hold them.
Your insane "no one cares about the dad" drivel is just that, drivel.
Further , you idiot. How do you continually clamor that "its YOUR say about abortion" when the law clearly states that killing an unborn fetus is MURDER in 28 states and manslaughter in nearly every other?
State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims National Right to Life
Random example
Kentucky: Since February, 2004, Kentucky law establishes a crime of “fetal homicide” in the first, second, third, and fourth degrees. The law covers an “unborn child,” defined as “a member of the species homo sapiens in utero from conception onward, without regard to age, health, or condition of dependency.”
Sorry, but you donj't have a right to consent to murder anyone.
I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
you quoted commentary-----not the Torah
Except for that whole Roe V Wade thingy.A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.
Proposed Bill Would Require Women To Ask Men s Permission To Have An Abortion
Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, over 56 million unborn children have been killed, more than the entire population of Spain. And we need to do something with it.
Sounds like a great idea.
drivel what is your interpretation of the "oral torah"?where did I mention the Torah, it is a Mishna or oral law that stems from the commandments or gods word.Gods law disputes that.I assure you----most of the people in the delivery room would have preferred that you were not there------I am not suggesting that you need apologize. But the FACT is that
they needed HER permission for you to be there-----they did not need YOUR permission for her to be there. Gee ---grow a brain -----you are comparing apples and oranges-----causing an abortion against the will of the mother is a felony----it is hers whilst it is OCCUPYING her uterus
no in fact no one asked her permission for me to be there.Unlike you my wife isn't a feminist pig and she fully understands that my children mean no less, or no more, to me than they do to her.
as for your second point. it isn't apples and oranges you idiot. Under those state laws the fetus THAT IS INSIDE THE UTERUS has been declared to be a HUMAN BEING
If a woman has difficuIlty in childbirth, one dismembers the embryo within her, limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over its life. However, once its head (or its 'greater part') has emerged, it may not be touched, for we do not set aside one life for another
Ohalot 7:6
So under Jewish Law (GODS WORD) until the majority of the foetus has appeared it cannot be considered as life.
you quoted commentary-----not the Torah
Mishnah is------some sort of commentary type vignettes that
sorta refer to Tanach-----and Talmud is a recording of the discussions of scholars of the torah-----sorta . USA law is
not based on either
The proposed measure is yet another example of how most on the right seek to expand the power and authority of the state at the expense of individual liberty.
