Yeah....how does a British guy get fully automatic machine guns, and a 74 gun arsenal?

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And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here.

No, firearm homicide rate is what counts, no matter what statistics you want to conflate with it.

So people who are killed by other means than firearms don't matter as much to you?

 

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I understand why the firearm homicide rates are strictly avoided by the nutters in favour of irrelevant statistics. The point is the firearm homicide rate in the US has been steady for a while. At vastly elevated levels compared to the rest of the developed democracies. The nutters contend the most powerful country in the world is helpless in the face of these facts. Helpless.


And of course it's true, the US can't do anything while the nutters' lobbyists own politicians. Helpless.

I always use the overall murder rate because unlike you I don't think the guy who is beaten to death is somehow less important than the guy who gets shot

And FYI far more people are beaten to death every year than are killed with rifles

 

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The UK's murder rate has nothing to do with their gun laws

Just like its murder rate has nothing to do with the subset firearm homicide rate.

As I said I don't think people who are stabbed or beaten to death are less important than those that are shot.

The fact is the murder rate in the UK did not drop after all their strict gun laws , gun bans and gun confiscations were enacted. So it is quite reasonable to conclude that the murder rate in the UK is not driven by guns.

 

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So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

The argument of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY will not work on the socialist scumbags.

The ones that post here are too stupid to see that they are nothing but political pawns.

I always love it when the stupid asses laugh in the face of factual statistics that contradict their socialist narrative.

 

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And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here.

No, firearm homicide rate is what counts, no matter what statistics you want to conflate with it.

Because being stabbed to death is better than being shot?

No, that is asinine. The actual impact of such legislation should be to reduce Homicides period. If you want to reduce firearm homicides but don't care if they raise in other categories then you are just wearing blinders to push an asinine agenda.

Its not conflating statistics - its looking at the overall picture rather than parsing the data until it agrees with a preconceived notion.