Affirmative Action Some More

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Affirmative Action The left is brilliant at using words. Because of
their willing accomplices in the mainstream media, the liberal view of
almost every issue is crystallized using their terms of the debate.
Essential American ideals, freedom, equal justice under law, individual
rights, have been trampled upon (using the cover of nice-sounding terms).
All poisonous schemes liberals have foisted upon American for decades have
been hidden under sweet names: social justice, fairness, compassion, the
common good, progressivism, diversity, tolerance, affirmative action. Who
could oppose any thing so positive, so wonderful, so loving, so kind?
Anyone who dares oppose the left's programs are deemed mean spirited,
racist, sexist, homophobic, oppressive, McCarthyite, fascist, extremist,
yada, yada, yada. Liberals have not counted on two things. First,
ordinary people do not participate in liberalism's required denial of
reality: they see for themselves in their own cities, communities,
schools, businesses, the terrible real life consequences of liberal ideas.
Second, just because liberals have for years been able to stifle any
substantive debate on these issues with name-calling and intimidation,
they have not stamped out the vast opposition. Although they've tried.
And they are still trying, as we will continue to see as the debate over
affirmative action heats up. Listen to Willie Brown, former California
Assembly Speaker: "Those who operate on the theory, in this environment,
that there is something tragically wrong with the remedy called
affirmative action, and that it needs to be corrected, they're wrong and
they come from the perspective of a racist." Thirty years ago, before
the media bestowed upon liberals alone the moral authority to discuss
civil rights issues, conditions were radically different than they are
today. If you were a member of a racial minority, you did not have access
to certain jobs, you were not permitted to shop or go to the movies in
certain places, and in many ways you could not lead a normal life. All
because you were a different color. It was vile, and it flew in the face
of the American ideal. Now thirty years later there is an initiative
called the called the California Civil Rights Initiative. This was
proposed by two San Francisco professors, it reads as follows: "Neither
the State of California nor any of its political subdivisions or agents
shall use race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin as a criterion
for either discriminating against, or granting preferential treatment to,
any individual or group on the operation of the State's system of public
employment, public education or public contracting." I wonder ... who
will oppose that? Could we say it would be the bigots? By any definition
of the word, I think we can. The media and the democratic party
are appalled at the instant popularity of this initiative, of which over
60 percent of California voters approve, according to a recent field poll.
A significant number of those who supposedly benefit from the
preferential policies back the measure. Nearly 60 percent of women and
about 40 percent of blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. When asked about
affirmative action in general, California voters oppose the concept by a
2-1 ratio. "The elimination of affirmative action ... would be a
catastrophe for American women," says Katherine Spillar, national
coordinator of the Feminist Majority Foundation. Though Ms. Spillar does
not speak for most women, nor does she justify her belief that affirmative
action is "right," she declares: "Women will not quickly accept a
rollback in our rights." The Congressional Black Caucus has formed a task
force to fight efforts to overhaul affirmative action laws. Says Rep.
Donald M. Payne (D, NJ), Chairman of the caucus: "We are going to be a
truth squad to interpret correctly what affirmative action is and what the
goals have been." Let us look at what affirmative action is. Sen. Bill
Bradley (D, NJ) claims: "The issue has been distorted that affirmative
action to many means reverse discrimination and preferences, which is
clearly not what affirmative action is. That's what Quotas are." You
have got it exactly wrong senator. Like most liberals, you believe that
an innocent sounding name for a policy equals an innocent policy. But in
real life, in the real world, senator, affirmative action means reverse
discrimination and preferences. Affirmative action means quotas.

Affirmative action is institutional racism, and it's time to end it.
 
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Originally posted by OCA
Too long. There ought to be a size limit on posts here.

Yes. Somehow I had it pasted twice. I fixed. Now can you deal with the content?
 
The only limitation is 20,000 characters per post.

I have updated the rules in regards to posting entire articles. The update had nothing to do with this post. I just want to protect myself from lawsuits about copyrighted work.
 
Originally posted by OCA
Agree totally with the concept but simply America is not ready.


Sure we are...It would take imprisoning the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, however...
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Yes we are.

Since when were all members of KKK imprisoned? I must've missed that one. Cite me some proof that we are ready. I cite James Byrd, the numerous anti-semitic church burnings and a couple of our members as a small portion of the proof that we aren't.
 
Originally posted by dmp
Sure we are...It would take imprisoning the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, however...

Oh dmp, you silly goose!

:laugh:
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
quoted from RWA:




one sided views rarely get anyone anywhere.

Yes. Truly englightened people can see racial discrimination as either good or bad, depending on the political needs of their various special interest groups, at the time.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by OCA
There are demagogues on both sides of this issue unfortunately.

IMO Jesse and Al do MORE to harm 'ethnic-relations' than the KKK.


If not more, at least as much...
 
It really is useless to argue with a demagogue and party hack. I ask for some evidence that we are ready to abolish all AA laws with regards to race and I get zip. Is it any wonder RWA that you get the same comments in regards to your debating skills from members on both sides here? Are you getting the message?
 
Originally posted by OCA
It really is useless to argue with a demagogue and party hack. I ask for some evidence that we are ready to abolish all AA laws with regards to race and I get zip. Is it any wonder RWA that you get the same comments in regards to your debating skills from members on both sides here? Are you getting the message?


How the hell would you LIKE your 'evidence'...How does one even MEASURE the effectiveness of AA laws?

Subjective issues can't be 'proven'...I can only tell you how jacked up it is that I couldn't get a loan/grant for college for only ONE reason..


I met the (lack of) income qualifications...I met the academic qualifications...I did NOT meet the 'race' qualification.
 
To abolish racism completely would be to enforce the discrimination laws, not enact more policies to favor one group that appears to have a disadvantage.
 
Originally posted by dmp
How the hell would you LIKE your 'evidence'...How does one even MEASURE the effectiveness of AA laws?

Subjective issues can't be 'proven'...I can only tell you how jacked up it is that I couldn't get a loan/grant for college for only ONE reason..


I met the (lack of) income qualifications...I met the academic qualifications...I did NOT meet the 'race' qualification.

First of all I guess I should've clarified that my post was directed to RWA. You are correct that Al and Jessie do irrepairable damage to race relations. My point is that racism in America is American as baseball and apple pie. To try and say if we got rid of AA today that whites wouldn't ride roughshod over minorities and screw them at every chance is naive at best.
 
Originally posted by OCA
To try and say if we got rid of AA today that whites wouldn't ride roughshod over minorities and screw them at every chance is naive at best.

Do you have any data or evidence to support that statement, or are you speculating?
 
Originally posted by OCA
I have the whole history of America with regards to majority treatment of minorities as evidence.

You have a history of minorities thriving...
You have a history which shows how very welcome this country has been to the VAST majority of immigrants...
You have a history of this country being the land of Opportunity...


I know people of 'other than white' ethnicity who have been in this country less than 10 years, and have 6-figure incomes (not including the digits AFTER the decimal ;) ).

I know 'minority' people who thrive because they refuse to play the 'victim'.

(shrug)
 

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