10 nation healthcare poll

[elvis]

i say its about time the pharma copmanies start charging foriegers the same rate for meds they charge USA residents
why should US Citizens be the only ones funding the research they benefit from

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

 

[DiveCon]

i say its about time the pharma copmanies start charging foriegers the same rate for meds they charge USA residents
why should US Citizens be the only ones funding the research they benefit from

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

what they would do is start charging other countries the same price they charge Americans


what is wrong with that?

 

[elvis]

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

what they would do is start charging other countries the same price they charge Americans


what is wrong with that?

nothing. I am talking about if they socialized medicine here.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

actually, i got exactly what he was saying
not because it was good, but because it wasnt

OUCH Dive, OUCH. That hurt.

And yes, I was being sarcastic, P.J. and Bootneck. For the record, I've been to France, Italy, and Greece, last time I was in Europe was I think 2003, and I think they're all lovely places. Furthermore, while I know [at least some] opponents of health care have legitimate points, at least by JUST watching Fox News, that is basically what you hear. I was watching Hannity's show a few weeks ago and I couldn't believe it. He was basically saying "EVERYWHERE WHERE [SOCIALIZED MEDICINE] HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS BEEN A HUGE FAILURE." Whoa, dude, yeah. Unlike in all those other countries where they've never done it, which includes the US, and the pretty much only the most underdeveloped of nations.

 

[DiveCon]

actually, i got exactly what he was saying
not because it was good, but because it wasnt

OUCH Dive, OUCH. That hurt.

And yes, I was being sarcastic, P.J. and Bootneck. For the record, I've been to France, Italy, and Greece, last time I was in Europe was I think 2003, and I think they're all lovely places. Furthermore, while I know [at least some] opponents of health care have legitimate points, at least by JUST watching Fox News, that is basically what you hear. I was watching Hannity's show a few weeks ago and I couldn't believe it. He was basically saying "EVERYWHERE WHERE [SOCIALIZED MEDICINE] HAS BEEN TRIED IT HAS BEEN A HUGE FAILURE." Whoa, dude, yeah. Unlike in all those other countries where they've never done it, which includes the US, and the pretty much only the most underdeveloped of nations.

it was obvious to most that it wasnt from a conservative perspective

you used parodies that are what liberals accuse conservatives of supporting, not what we actually support

 

[Vanquish]

i say its about time the pharma copmanies start charging foriegers the same rate for meds they charge USA residents
why should US Citizens be the only ones funding the research they benefit from

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

and i would support that legislation telling them they couldht sell lower to other countries than what they sell here
that would fuck up all those other countries claiming lower healthcare costs

Wow! So you ARE in favor of government controls. Nice of you to jump on board with the rest of us.

Government artificial price fixing. But that will lead to different insurance companies having to set the same price for generic versions of similar drugs a.k.a. price collusion, although it's being implemented by Uncle Sam.

From the way you word it, you make it sound like you think it's a cheap, easy fix that's the easy answer. I'm afraid it's not.

 

[RadiomanATL]

OK. I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees that some things must change within our system.

The argument is what needs to be changed, how fast, and how broad a power are we willing to give the government.

 

[Toro]

i say its about time the pharma copmanies start charging foriegers the same rate for meds they charge USA residents
why should US Citizens be the only ones funding the research they benefit from

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

The government does not have to set the price. The government could negotiate the price for its programs the way a pharmacy benefit company like Medco does. Say, on the list of approved or priority drugs, the negotiators could tell the pharma companies which produce competing products that the government will prioritize the drug for its program that comes in at the lowest cost.

A more extreme option would be to set a price list for all new drugs such that companies would be able to earn a specific return on equity for different classes of drugs, depending on where they are in their lifespan. This would be similar to the electrical utility industry.

You can also lower the number of years that a drug has a patent from 20 years to 16 or 18 years.

The pharmaceutical and biotech industry has one of the highest returns on equity of any industry, partly because of patent protection. Patent protection is a government enforced monopoly in a market. The government already is interfering in the market and probably is allowing the drug companies to extract economic rents through the legislative process now.

I'm not necessarily advocating any of these. I'm just pointing them out.

Remember, an industry that is near and dear to conservatives hearts, is the defense industry. Who buys ships and fighter planes? You and me? No, the government. The government sets the prices in the defense industry.

As for Divecons suggestion of banning foreign sales, forget for a moment that such a move would violate virtually every single trade treaty the United States has ever signed, if we are going to tell companies what they can and can't do, why not ban them from lobbying?

Oh, and we could reform tort laws. That would be a good one.

 

[Chris]

I like the French system the best.

Free medical schools, limited doctor liability, and they don't pay their doctors millions of dollars a year.

They cover everybody with no waits.

 

[elvis]

I like the French system the best.

Free medical schools, limited doctor liability, and they don't pay their doctors millions of dollars a year.

They cover everybody with no waits.

and they pay double the taxes, you little bastard.

 

[elvis]

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

The government does not have to set the price. The government could negotiate the price for its programs the way a pharmacy benefit company like Medco does. Say, on the list of approved or priority drugs, the negotiators could tell the pharma companies which produce competing products that the government will prioritize the drug for its program that comes in at the lowest cost.

A more extreme option would be to set a price list for all new drugs such that companies would be able to earn a specific return on equity for different classes of drugs, depending on where they are in their lifespan. This would be similar to the electrical utility industry.

You can also lower the number of years that a drug has a patent from 20 years to 16 or 18 years.

The pharmaceutical and biotech industry has one of the highest returns on equity of any industry, partly because of patent protection. Patent protection is a government enforced monopoly in a market. The government already is interfering in the market and probably is allowing the drug companies to extract economic rents through the legislative process now.

I'm not necessarily advocating any of these. I'm just pointing them out.

Remember, an industry that is near and dear to conservatives hearts, is the defense industry. Who buys ships and fighter planes? You and me? No, the government. The government sets the prices in the defense industry.

As for Divecons suggestion of banning foreign sales, forget for a moment that such a move would violate virtually every single trade treaty the United States has ever signed, if we are going to tell companies what they can and can't do, why not ban them from lobbying?

Oh, and we could reform tort laws. That would be a good one.

Ok, can you answer this? If we had an entire government run health care system where the government tells the doctors what they can charge, isn't that a price ceiling that will in effect ration health care?

 

[DiveCon]

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

and i would support that legislation telling them they couldht sell lower to other countries than what they sell here
that would fuck up all those other countries claiming lower healthcare costs

Wow! So you ARE in favor of government controls. Nice of you to jump on board with the rest of us.

Government artificial price fixing. But that will lead to different insurance companies having to set the same price for generic versions of similar drugs a.k.a. price collusion, although it's being implemented by Uncle Sam.

From the way you word it, you make it sound like you think it's a cheap, easy fix that's the easy answer. I'm afraid it's not.

uh, no, i never said a thing about price controls
just that they couldnt charge Americans more than they charge others
they could still set their own prices for the meds, what it actually costs them to do R&D and produce the meds
why should only the Americans pay for the R&D

 

[DiveCon]

You can do this by paying less to the pharma companies in America. That will force them to hike prices elsewhere. Because we pay such high costs here, there is no incentive for them to charge higher prices elsewhere.

if the govt sets the prices, how in hell will we not have shortages of prescriptions, doctors, and medical equipment?

The government does not have to set the price. The government could negotiate the price for its programs the way a pharmacy benefit company like Medco does. Say, on the list of approved or priority drugs, the negotiators could tell the pharma companies which produce competing products that the government will prioritize the drug for its program that comes in at the lowest cost.

A more extreme option would be to set a price list for all new drugs such that companies would be able to earn a specific return on equity for different classes of drugs, depending on where they are in their lifespan. This would be similar to the electrical utility industry.

You can also lower the number of years that a drug has a patent from 20 years to 16 or 18 years.

The pharmaceutical and biotech industry has one of the highest returns on equity of any industry, partly because of patent protection. Patent protection is a government enforced monopoly in a market. The government already is interfering in the market and probably is allowing the drug companies to extract economic rents through the legislative process now.

I'm not necessarily advocating any of these. I'm just pointing them out.

Remember, an industry that is near and dear to conservatives hearts, is the defense industry. Who buys ships and fighter planes? You and me? No, the government. The government sets the prices in the defense industry.

As for Divecons suggestion of banning foreign sales, forget for a moment that such a move would violate virtually every single trade treaty the United States has ever signed, if we are going to tell companies what they can and can't do, why not ban them from lobbying?

Oh, and we could reform tort laws. That would be a good one.

i didnt advocate banning foriegn sales
just that they had to be at the same rate they charge Americans
they could export as much as people wanted to buy

 

[Harry Dresden]

er.....ok.......I guess your mind's made up then. Ever been to any of them?


Chris: why do all of these studies leave Sweden out?

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

However, if you want to attack the post and poll. Attack that only 1,000 were polled. Sorry, but that number is too small to represent the whole. Attack that no question were provided. Polls can easily be given to get the result you want.

Such as a anti-UHC system poll question might be, Are you in favor of not choosing your doctor? No! Are you in favor of rationing healthcare? No! Are you in favor of increasing taxes? No! Are you in favor of letting old people Die because they are too expensive to treat? No! ANALYSIS: This is person is against ObamaCare!

1,000 people is too small a sample?

Horseshit.

did you take ballet when you were a kid Chris?.....because there are about 4 threads you started where you avoid answering any questions asked.....Chris the shitstain dances around what he doesnt want to answer....

 

[elvis]

That is a little of a Red Herring argument. Why did they leave out say Maldova?

However, if you want to attack the post and poll. Attack that only 1,000 were polled. Sorry, but that number is too small to represent the whole. Attack that no question were provided. Polls can easily be given to get the result you want.

Such as a anti-UHC system poll question might be, Are you in favor of not choosing your doctor? No! Are you in favor of rationing healthcare? No! Are you in favor of increasing taxes? No! Are you in favor of letting old people Die because they are too expensive to treat? No! ANALYSIS: This is person is against ObamaCare!

1,000 people is too small a sample?

Horseshit.

did you take ballet when you were a kid Chris?.....because there are about 4 threads you started where you avoid answering any questions asked.....Chris the shitstain dances around what he doesnt want to answer....

of course he took ballet. He wore tights and a tutu.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

I take it you haven't travelled much, right?

it was SARCASM dipshit.....christ Junky how long do you have to post with people till you get their shit?...

 

[elvis]

Yeah well, all of those countries are SOCIALIST SHITHOLES Chris. I'm sorry to inform you that, but all of Europe is a shithole compared to great AMERICA. People hate each other and kill each other like dogs. "Our" health care "system" is perfect, like Somalia's or Peru's, because in those very advanced nations like our own, those can afford it get health, and those who can't better get a fucking better paying job, those assholes.

I take it you haven't travelled much, right?

it was SARCASM dipshit.....christ Junky how long do you have to post with people till you get their shit?...

Maybe he isn't just a political junky.

 

[Harry Dresden]

not en vino.


veritas et aequitas.

And yes I knew, but there were too many posts that indicated that others did not.



Murphy: We're sorta like 7-Eleven. We're not always doing business, but we're always open.
Connor: That is nicely put.

you mean like Junky?....he/she is still scratching hir head.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You righties certainly are all about the scatological and penile schtick, aren't yas?


Weird.

here goes the righty bullshit again.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You righties certainly are all about the scatological and penile schtick, aren't yas?


Weird.

The have no facts, so they have to bang on the table.

yea like you do shitstain.....you danced around the every question asked you in 4 different threads....your a phony Chris....a big smelly piece of shit phony...