2 civilian gun owners stop mass public shooting in Florida....

[August West]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

why do we have so many vast generalizations out there by people who want to pop off against something they're clueless about then prance around going HA LOOK AT MY PROPER STANCE???

we know who they are.

Why are you babbling away incoherently when you have nothing to say?

 

[iceberg]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

why do we have so many vast generalizations out there by people who want to pop off against something they're clueless about then prance around going HA LOOK AT MY PROPER STANCE???

we know who they are.

Why are you babbling away incoherently when you have nothing to say?

when you're old enough to understand, then i'd have said quite a bitl til then, it's you i'm talking about.

 

[airplanemechanic]

But machine guns are banned by laws. If they want stricter laws, why would they want machine guns?

What safety laws do they want?

What the fuck is a "safety law"?

 

[2aguy]

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

If you are an idiot, you might believe that.

Everbody. Today, November 26, 2017, four thousand people in the US used their firearm to defend themselves or someone else.

4000. Today.

Not 20.

4000.

LOL!!

Notice....bill clinton used two anti gun researchers....obama used his CDC.....look at their numbers, twit. We have over 320 million people...with 16 million people carrying guns for self defense and 600 million guns in private hands........

All of that research says you are wrong....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

With the most guns in the world and the highest incarceration rate we still have much higher crime rates than other civilized countries with gun control. We also have many unique problems to our country like mass shootings, over 50 police shot and killed each year, our police shoot many, many people, toddlers shoot people, road rage shootings, women shot by significant others.... Too many guns.
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

We have gun violence because we keep releasing violent repeat gun offenders.

We have mass shootings because we have a lot of crazy people....

And as More AMericans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate has gone down...and then in 2014...people like you attacked the police...thinking there wouldn't be a crime problem after doing that....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[2aguy]

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

Yes.....their law abiding people would be safer........

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Stop lying. We had the Bill Clinton crime bill during that period. We also got some gun control including background checks. Look what is happening now with the most concealed carry ever:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

And you are wrong....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.




Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[2aguy]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

No....twit....letting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street in under 2 years is not locking up criminals...and they are the ones shooting people........

Lock em up!
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

Those toddlers....are in the homes of criminals...who people like you put back on the streets......that's on you....

 

[2aguy]

Guns kill nearly 1300 children each year.

That's enough to turn me off from your entire post. Guns have never killed anyone. Guns are USED to kill people.

They consider "Children" 16 year old career gang members who are gunned down by 15 year old career gang members......and they take "children" up to the age of 19 or older...

This is what a liar brain is...his link...Since when is a 17 year old a "Child."

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Specifically looking at deaths and injuries among children up to age 17, the researchers analyzed the data for trends that may have occurred from 2002 to 2014.

 

[2aguy]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

No....twit....letting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street in under 2 years is not locking up criminals...and they are the ones shooting people........

Lock em up!
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

Hey...dip shit.....you didn't follow your link....moron......if you had you would see I am right, these shootings are children in the homes of criminals....who can't legally buy, own or carry the guns they leave lying around....These are not normal gun owners twit....

Teen Charged After His 7-Year-Old Nephew Accidentally Shoots Himself With Stolen Gun

Teen Charged After His 7-Year-Old Nephew Accidentally Shoots Himself With Stolen Gun

UPDATE: Children involved in accidental shooting in Wendell now in foster care

Sheriff Shaun Gough said the condition of the house was "very poor" and was "extremely dirty."

I’ve seen the kids running kind of rapidly out on the road,” he continued. “It’s not a good thing to do. They need to be a little more aware of what’s going on with their children.”

Hey....genius...the first 3 stories from you link......at least two are illegal guns, one of the two is a felon...

St. Cloud PD: 3-year-old boy shot self with negligently-stored gun

Police said there is probable cause to arrest the father of the child, identified as 28-year-old William Deandre Dickerson, for negligent storage of a firearm and being a prohibited felon in possession of a firearm.

Boy....you are freaking stupid, brain...another felon with an illegal gun......that is from your link...

3-Year-Old Shoots and Kills 1-Year-Old Sister, Police Say

Memphis Police said Saturday they have charged Shawn Moore with criminally negligent homicide, being a convicted felon with a handgun and tampering with evidence in Robbin Keefer’s death.

 

[westwall]

Guns kill nearly 1300 children each year.

That's enough to turn me off from your entire post. Guns have never killed anyone. Guns are USED to kill people.

They consider "Children" 16 year old career gang members who are gunned down by 15 year old career gang members......and they take "children" up to the age of 19 or older...

This is what a liar brain is...his link...Since when is a 17 year old a "Child."

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Specifically looking at deaths and injuries among children up to age 17, the researchers analyzed the data for trends that may have occurred from 2002 to 2014.

I know back in the day to get their child death numbers up they were counting all the way up to 23 as a child.

 

[2aguy]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

No....twit....letting violent, repeat gun offenders back on the street in under 2 years is not locking up criminals...and they are the ones shooting people........

Lock em up!
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

Wow...you are pretty dumb...another stolen gun...Your link has to take felons and other criminals with illegal guns and hide them among normal gun owners......moron.

Police: Adults not talking after toddler shoots self with stolen gun

Police say they are having a tough time getting information about the shooting death of a toddler who somehow got his hands on a stolen gun and accidentally pulled the trigger.

Wow....teenagers with a stolen gun...another example from your anti gun link......

Teen injured in accidental shooting near West Town Mall

A teenager who was injured in a reported shooting near West Town Mall Tuesday night actually shot himself, according to Knoxville Police.

The 16-year-old was inside a vehicle with three other people, all of them were under 21 and none of them were related to the shooting victim, according to KPD. Investigators believe the shooting was an accident.

Oh look....another stolen gun

Shooting death of 3-year-old boy ruled accidental; uncle booked on related counts

Dracolby Journet, 28, was booked Friday on counts of illegal possession of a stolen firearm and obstruction of justice in the shooting, which authorities are investigating as an accident.

 

[2aguy]

Guns kill nearly 1300 children each year.

That's enough to turn me off from your entire post. Guns have never killed anyone. Guns are USED to kill people.

They consider "Children" 16 year old career gang members who are gunned down by 15 year old career gang members......and they take "children" up to the age of 19 or older...

This is what a liar brain is...his link...Since when is a 17 year old a "Child."

Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN

Specifically looking at deaths and injuries among children up to age 17, the researchers analyzed the data for trends that may have occurred from 2002 to 2014.

I know back in the day to get their child death numbers up they were counting all the way up to 23 as a child.

They usually get their number from the CDC...because the CDC child gun death number ...the last bracket is 15-26 for kids...........that jacks up their numbers.....