2 civilian gun owners stop mass public shooting in Florida....

[LoneLaugher]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

 

[airplanemechanic]

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Someone used a quote that I think you would like:

"Lock up criminals, not guns."

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Someone used a quote that I think you would like:

"Lock up criminals, not guns."

Yes!!!! And lock up anyone who might become a criminal too! That's the only sane thing to do.

 

[depotoo]

You are so silly. Locking up guns will not keep criminals from getting them. The meaning of criminal:
crim·i·nal
ˈkrim(ə)n(ə)l/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who has committed a crime.
   "these men are dangerous criminals"
   synonyms: lawbreaker, offender, villain, delinquent, felon, convict, malefactor, wrongdoer, culprit, miscreant; More
   
   The meaning of crime-
   
   crime
   krīm/
   noun
   1. an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
      "shoplifting was a serious crime"
      synonyms: offense, unlawful act, illegal act, felony, misdemeanor, misdeed, wrong;
      informalno-no
      "kidnapping is a very serious crime"
      • illegal activities.
        "the victims of crime"
        synonyms: lawbreaking, delinquency, wrongdoing, criminality, misconduct, illegality, villainy; More
        
        

But I doubt that will stop your foolishness.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Someone used a quote that I think you would like:

"Lock up criminals, not guns."

Yes!!!! And lock up anyone who might become a criminal too! That's the only sane thing to do.

 

[Darkwind]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Except that your math is about as wonky as your outlook.

Go count how many people were in the repair shop when he started firing. We know of at least four. If he hadn't been stopped, the math would have been four dead good guys and one live bad buy walking to other businesses to kill even more people. The actual body count could have been dozens with no dead bad guy.

Poor showing on your part.

 

[2aguy]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[LoneLaugher]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

 

[2aguy]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

 

[Rustic]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

People kill people not firearms, most people learn that in grade school

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Armed bad guys are only bad when they commit a crime. Until they do, they are good guys.

 

[LoneLaugher]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

If you are an idiot, you might believe that.

Everbody. Today, November 26, 2017, four thousand people in the US used their firearm to defend themselves or someone else.

4000. Today.

Not 20.

4000.

LOL!!

 

[Rustic]

That's an awesome story of a defensive use of a firearm. Now..all you need is 4000 more from Friday and you can
back up your claim regarding how often this happens.

Good trade too, huh? One dead good guy and one paralyzed good guy in exchange for one bad guy. Lets celebrate!!

Not my claim......the actual research going back about 40 years including research by bill clinton and obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

4000 per day, yo!

That happens.

In a country of over 320 million people with 600 million guns in private hands.....yep, that is what all the research shows....

If you are an idiot, you might believe that.

Everbody. Today, November 26, 2017, four thousand people in the US used their firearm to defend themselves or someone else.

4000. Today.

Not 20.

4000.

LOL!!

Just admit it your fucked up ideas for gun control will not save a single soul… Gun control is a failure.
More frivolous gun control laws only hurt the law-abiding, they embolden the violent criminals. You dumbass motherfucker. LOL

 

[August West]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

 

[westwall]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

 

[Dragonlady]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Yes..it is called left wing judges and left wing politicians who refuse to pass laws and criminal sentences to keep violent criminals locked up in prison and away from normal people......that is the most powerful lobbying arm for criminals....since they can actually let them out of jail......and they are the cause for the carnage in our democrat cities....

Because having the highest rate of incarceration in the first world isn't enough to keep Americans safe??

Really Evgeny, even for a Russian troll that's a really stupid comment.

 

[August West]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

 

[westwall]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

 

[August West]

Why do we have so many "armed" bad guys and who helps them acquire their guns? Criminals, crazies and terrorists have their own lobbying group and we know who they are.

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

 

[westwall]

Why do you let these violent scum out of prison? Why do you insist on releasing violent felons back out into the world so they can cause ever more misery? I guess we know who the lobbyist for the violent criminals is too now don't we?

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

I have never said everyone should have guns. There are LOADS of people who shouldn't. But to blanket ban guns is singularly, and spectacularly ineffective in stopping crime. We have CENTURIES of history that shows us that blanket weapons bans do nothing to stop crime, but do everything to make crime easier for the bad guy, and in certain horrible instances to make mass murder easy peasy for the governments to commit.

 

[August West]

If you people hadn`t armed these people they probably wouldn`t have been in jail in the first place. Good job!

I didn't arm them. YOU did. You allow violent scum to be on the street. In fact you seem to want them to do harm so you can bleat about gun control ignoring the fact that violent criminals ALWAYS seem to be able to get the guns. Even when they're banned. Guns are banned in the UK (and have been for decades) and gun crime jumped 42% last year. How is that possible in your perfect world?

Who claimed to have a perfect world? I`ll swap our murder rate with the UK`s anytime. Yes, people smuggle guns into the UK whereas we practically give them away. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have one. It`s the liberals that help crazies, criminals and terrorists acquire guns? That`s incredibly stupid.

The UK murder rate is increasing every day. Gun crime is increasing every day. What changed? Hmmm? Guns have been outlawed there for decades. Why the sudden explosion?

Do you think the UK would be safer if everyone had guns?

I have never said everyone should have guns. There are LOADS of people who shouldn't. But to blanket ban guns is singularly, and spectacularly ineffective in stopping crime. We have CENTURIES of history that shows us that blanket weapons bans do nothing to stop crime, but do everything to make crime easier for the bad guy, and in certain horrible instances to make mass murder easy peasy for the governments to commit.

You never said that everyone should have guns but everyone who wants one here can get one. Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll find one. What a simple world it would be if everyone had a tattoo on their forehead indicating whether they`re a good guy or a bad guy. The last shooting in my neck of the woods was over a burned casserole. The victim bought the gun because he was scared of bad guys.
Cops: Wife killed husband after fight over burned casserole